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September 19, 2024, 05:27:00 AM
#41
One board with the lowest number of spams and shit posters is our technical board and that is because they have a lot of reputable members there who are good at reporting shit posts

Even to spam, you need to have some idea on topic being discussed, meanwhile almost all stuff goes above the head in that board for an average user (including me), so that's also reason why there is minimal spam there.
Yes while this is true, this is not for all shit posters or spammers I have seen post where someone would just totally speak out of context of everything the thread is about and there are so many other way they act that would make it seems like spamming notably, inappropriate quoting and sometimes wall of text, which make reading that post annoying or difficult even if such person is speaking right and this something I hate most.

The reason while still yet these is not common in the technical board is from the fact that people care much more on what others are posting there, is either you're corrected openly and if you continue the same style you will likely be tagged as a spammer or shitposter.

Sometimes if the error is not that much I choose to call such person attention than to report them though that's if I'm about to make a post on that same thread and watch if such person do take correction or are just doesn't even bother to care and so will rather want to report to moderator next time.
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September 19, 2024, 05:01:35 AM
#40
One board with the lowest number of spams and shit posters is our technical board and that is because they have a lot of reputable members there who are good at reporting shit posts, spams and AI  therefore making moderation easier and more efficient. So instead of creating a thread for someone that creates shit posts or AI posts, simply make use of the REPORT TO MODERATOR button.
No, the reason why technical support and technical discussion boards have the lowest number of spams is that it's hard to spam these boards because they require a technical knowledge to make a technical question. What's going to spammer ask, how to fix the bug in this code? Or a question regarding to Bitcoin node setup? These questions can't be spammed and a person that comes up with similar questions, doesn't belong to the group of spammers. Spammers usually choose Economy, Altcoin discussion and similar boards because it's much easier to spam here. Just ask the basic question: Bitcoin vs gold. It's easy to write thesis about this topic, it's easy for absolutely everyone to state their opinion on this.



I have a question. If I think that there is a thread created that doesn't carry much value and is created by a spammer to feed the spammers, if I report the original post and moderator approves, will the whole thread be deleted? Should I include in the comment for the moderator that I'm reporting this post because I believe the thread is created by a spammer to feed the spammers?
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September 19, 2024, 12:34:31 AM
#39
You actually didn't get the connection rightly and the shitposter has already been defined by this unofficial rule " No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads."

However, what you later infer in the body is similar to spamming and not shitposting, and mind you, frequent posts don't automatically translate to spamming/shitposting and neither should you "assume" it for AI-generated content. Some people are gifted and write better content than the best AI-generated ones and may post it faster than the AI-generated ones (if they like).

Look at it this way, what if an AI-generated post is well-written and the user decides to give it at least 1-hour posting interval, is it any better? Who is indeed better among the two?
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September 18, 2024, 12:28:51 PM
#38
Yeah, you did misunderstand the op here, i believe they are talking about topics involving just a single user, i.e. you find a single user spamming or making AI posts, and you create a thread about it. Take note that i believe that sometimes even reporting a single case may be necessary, especially if the user is a chronic spammer, just want to clarify that this topic isn't about reference or report threads that have been used for a long time to make reports.
If a thread is created for reporting a specific user/ spammer, the author possibly does it on purposes.

Some possible purposes
  • Get more attention from moderators and other supplement evidence from other forum members, to ban that spammer more quickly.
  • Get eligible post count in a new created thread while if a report post is made in a Mega thread, it will not be counted by campaign manager, if the campaign rule is against mega threads.
  • More purposes too.
legendary
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September 18, 2024, 08:09:44 AM
#37
Not sure what made him think that such threads are useless. Or did I misunderstand anything, OP?
Yeah, you did misunderstand the op here, i believe they are talking about topics involving just a single user, i.e. you find a single user spamming or making AI posts, and you create a thread about it. Take note that i believe that sometimes even reporting a single case may be necessary, especially if the user is a chronic spammer, just want to clarify that this topic isn't about reference or report threads that have been used for a long time to make reports.
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September 18, 2024, 04:53:51 AM
#36
One board with the lowest number of spams and shit posters is our technical board and that is because they have a lot of reputable members there who are good at reporting shit posts, spams and AI  therefore making moderation easier and more efficient. So instead of creating a thread for someone that creates shit posts or AI posts, simply make use of the REPORT TO MODERATOR button.

That's not why the board has a low number of spam, the board has low numbers because that's not where spammers go to spam. Spammers need generic conversations that they can add little to nothing to but still get post quota for their campaigns.

The technical boards requires you to know what you're saying or it'll be considered spam and spammers don't want their effort to be for nothing when the post gets deleted.

Something else, is the threads there don't get lots of replies (pages) to hide their spam so anything they write can be seen by many and this will draw attention to them which they don't like so they'll prefer a more active boards like gambling discussion.

Unless for extreme situations that the attention of the forum/admins is needed, I don't also fancy the creation of threads for every single case of spamming but we know some people want what I call eyeservices (let people see them like they're doing the most and to also get merited) but those really cleaning the forum are doing it with the report button and they have high numbers of good reports. Kudos to them.
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September 18, 2024, 03:55:31 AM
#35
If not, and you mean some other issues, then I probably didn't notice them, and it would be good to see an example of the topics you meant.
Well, you can also create a report to the moderators with the definition that some topics are useless. And together we will observe how the moderators treat this.
Sometimes our opinions, unfortunately, do not coincide with the opinions of others. And all we can do is send a report and see if it is not considered.

We haven't heard back from OP in the last three days regarding whether he thinks threads like the AI post reference thread and some other threads like this one are useless. Now I feel like that OP wanted to become a cool guy by saying that because he did not submit any reference to back his claims. OP should know that not everyone creates threads to fishing merits. Some of those threads have importance which the forum members use every day to write their references. Not sure what made him think that such threads are useless. Or did I misunderstand anything, OP?
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September 18, 2024, 02:04:45 AM
#34


I might be wrong but I think most of the thread creators sometimes do this not out of just making fuss but to actually draw the attention of the other members to the specific shitposter. One of the scenarios is when a member is been reported numerously for a certain shit posting and the reporter actually finds such posts still not deleted meaning that either the moderator are comfortable with the post or they just happen to not have attended to it. In any of the cases the reporter might result into creating a thread; one to get the attention of the moderators and secondly to get clarification as to maybe such posts are allowed if at all it is the moderators that left it.

If we look at the reports thread most especially by reputable members it is against a serial shitposter or scammer and not just a one time, although I also don’t like unnecessary creation of threads just to keep the forum clean I think some are needed for some members
I quite agree with you because I was just thinking to myself; assuming I want to report a shit poster and let's say I do it via PM to a moderator responsible for that board and they probably don't respond, will it be out of place to create a thread for it so others can see it and maybe another mod who's not in charge of the board can look it up and act on it?".
 Some of these threads weren't created with malice or as a means to encourage more spam but to call out this user who has been defaulting when they may have been warned on several occasions to stop spamming, that's how I see them.
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September 17, 2024, 05:04:13 PM
#33
Even to spam, you need to have some idea on topic being discussed, meanwhile almost all stuff goes above the head in that board for an average user (including me), so that's also reason why there is minimal spam there.
That's very true, even spammers need to have some idea about the topic about which they might be able to write but these days spammers can take some help from AI like ChatGPT so they can get some basic idea about the topic and then they might add some more stuff to it.

The technical board isn't for all members and sometimes even if you're knowledgeable about technical aspects of the things, but still you stay away from that board as there are already enough members present at that board who help out everyone with their posts.
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September 17, 2024, 04:11:08 PM
#32
No one likes shit posts except probably you too are a shit poster.
Don't feed them with your shit posts too, if you want to minimize their impacts in the forum. You can not stop them, simply you can't, so the best thing you can do is don't feed them and help them to bump their shit threads.

In only some boards, there is a bump score to reduce effects of bumping from shit posters. In most of boards, if you bump a shit thread, effect is big.

Similarly, don't feed the troll!

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Now the big question here is how do you approach such posts?
One wrong and most common approach is creating a thread to report such users. The reason is simple, we complain every now and then about shit posters on many boards, when we could very much assist moderators to spot them instead of creating a thread for someone that simply just posted shit or used AI content.
I see it differently.

Works from a single user can be not accurate, or simply not enough for moderators to do their job. If a report is made publicly, and get supports from other forum members, there would be more evidence to use ban hammer on shit posters.

Some shit posters have habit of creating new shit threads for discussions. They do this with many purposes.
  • Some campaign managers don't count posts after like page 5, page 10, page 100 or 200. It is good but not enough and shit posters know how to easily avoid it: by creating new shit threads for getting post count from managers.
  • They do this to show that they're productive in creating threads, that can be counted as good contribution to their signature campaigns.
The bottom line is, if a thread is low in quality, you can easily see low quality posters joining it while quality posters in community usually ignore those threads. Consequently effects from such shit threads are smaller than how it looks. Imagine that most of thread participants are from 'friends' or 'farms', companies pay money for their campaign participants won't happy with these employees if they know the truth.
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September 17, 2024, 11:27:51 AM
#31
I don't know if that's true or false, as I don't frequent the technical board(s) all that much, but my strategy has always been to put entire sections on ignore (like Altcoin Discussion and, unfortunately, Bitcoin Discussion).  Not everyone wants to do that, nor should they.  So if you want to help fight the shitposting problem, either choose to self-moderate your own threads when you create them or report crap posts to the mods when you see them--the latter solution has been suggested so many times, I couldn't even estimate how many times I've read it.

By the way, for those of you who might not know, this issue has been an ongoing one for probably 10 years or more, but it got much worse in the few years leading up to the merit system creation in 2018.  Unfortunately I think post/thread quality has taken a huge step backward lately, as I've seen the Economics section become infested with idiots starting threads that have no value.  That used to be relatively rare compared with other sections.  Ugh.

AI has made the problem much, much worse.  I don't think the tools to catch AI-written shitposts has caught up to the rate at which the morons are using AI to generate garbage.  If I'm wrong about that, someone please tell me.
I once made this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64301005 talking about how we can use AI to our advantage by using it to fish out spams and shit posts. But the argument against the whole idea was that there will be much workload on the moderators if machines start reporting posts as there are fewer moderators to attend to all the reports.

The fact is, spam and shit posters are increasing by the day and efforts put in so far to reduce them are not enough. It is either the number of moderators are increased or the use of automated systems is considered.
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September 17, 2024, 08:28:35 AM
#30
One board with the lowest number of spams and shit posters is our technical board and that is because they have a lot of reputable members there who are good at reporting shit posts

Even to spam, you need to have some idea on topic being discussed, meanwhile almost all stuff goes above the head in that board for an average user (including me), so that's also reason why there is minimal spam there.
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September 16, 2024, 09:58:42 AM
#29
Exactly so, because opinions differ and a newbie making a post or replying a post would sound way different from an oldie who does same and I think oldies here have qualified to have their post classified as shit post, in places where they don't do well more than newbies could ever be classified into such a category.

I don't think the quality of one's posts depends on how new or old they are. Differing opinions don't make a post become of low quality or just because I don't agree with your opinion, it doesn't make me qualified to call you a shitposter. A newbie might sound different but only if he lacks knowledge, and of course, if a legendary member posts useless stuff, he can also be categorized as a shitposter regardless of the rank he has in the forum.

Due to account sales and accounts changing hands sometimes, you will find high-ranked members making low-quality posts, similarly, some newbies who might have good knowledge about things in general but has a low rank in the forum will be seen making good quality posts. So it's all subjective, in my opinion.
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September 16, 2024, 02:51:41 AM
#28
So instead of creating a thread for someone that creates shit posts or AI posts, simply make use of the REPORT TO MODERATOR button.

I also support using the report to moderator button for general spam posts. But sometimes, reporting to the moderator report does not work regarding AI posts. I mean, the moderators do not have enough time to check using the AI detector tools to check if that post is AI generated or not. In this case, forum member nutildah created a thread AI Spam Report Reference Thread so you have some proof that those posts are AI generated.

I am pretty sure you know this thread because it has 34 pages so far, and I would say it's a successful thread like "report plagiarism" thread. Utilizing such a thread is always a good idea instead of creating a new thread for every user.

I also thought that the topic created by the OP is an apple in the garden of this topic. Do you, OP, believe that the topic opened by Nutildah is unnecessary? If not, and you mean some other issues, then I probably didn't notice them, and it would be good to see an example of the topics you meant.
Well, you can also create a report to the moderators with the definition that some topics are useless. And together we will observe how the moderators treat this.
Sometimes our opinions, unfortunately, do not coincide with the opinions of others. And all we can do is send a report and see if it is not considered.

Exactly so, because opinions differ and a newbie making a post or replying a post would sound way different from an oldie who does same and I think oldies here have qualified to have their post classified as shit post, in places where they don't do well more than newbies could ever be classified into such a category.
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September 16, 2024, 01:29:12 AM
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So instead of creating a thread for someone that creates shit posts or AI posts, simply make use of the REPORT TO MODERATOR button.

I also support using the report to moderator button for general spam posts. But sometimes, reporting to the moderator report does not work regarding AI posts. I mean, the moderators do not have enough time to check using the AI detector tools to check if that post is AI generated or not. In this case, forum member nutildah created a thread AI Spam Report Reference Thread so you have some proof that those posts are AI generated.

I am pretty sure you know this thread because it has 34 pages so far, and I would say it's a successful thread like "report plagiarism" thread. Utilizing such a thread is always a good idea instead of creating a new thread for every user.

I also thought that the topic created by the OP is an apple in the garden of this topic. Do you, OP, believe that the topic opened by Nutildah is unnecessary? If not, and you mean some other issues, then I probably didn't notice them, and it would be good to see an example of the topics you meant.
Well, you can also create a report to the moderators with the definition that some topics are useless. And together we will observe how the moderators treat this.
Sometimes our opinions, unfortunately, do not coincide with the opinions of others. And all we can do is send a report and see if it is not considered.
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September 15, 2024, 09:10:27 AM
#26
No one likes shit posts except probably you too are a shit poster. Obviously there is no rule that boldly says you shouldn't post consecutively however it seems for a very long time spammers and shit posters have taken advantage of that. The closest rules we have against shit posting on the forum are;

I also reason along with you that in some cases, we may not have to reflect some cases by creating threads all because the member involved have done a wrong thing, simple quote, report to the moderator or notifying the OP himself about the mistake done could be amend than creating a thread on top of the discussion, but there are some severe cases whereby one may need to create a thread and file a report for some discoveries that needed the public opinions over it.
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September 15, 2024, 09:05:02 AM
#25
Since my thread is mentioned, i'm here to mention that this thread is used as reference when reporting certain posts. In my experience, moderator is likely to take action when i include link to post/thread which explain why certain post violate forum rules.
Of course your thread is an important one moderators can bump there anytime when the need to see into a serial spammers behaviour or probably some shit poster of AI user comes up. Some persons don't get the reason for my thread. The main idea I'm talking against is creating a thread for just one user because of one or two spams or shit posts he created. When it is very much possible to just press the report to moderator button on those posts or better still post it in topics like yours that's if the situation gets worse.

The whole idea is to assist in an effective moderation of the forum instead of making complaints about spams and AI shit posts on the forum every now and then.
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September 15, 2024, 07:43:06 AM
#24
By the way, for those of you who might not know, this issue has been an ongoing one for probably 10 years or more, but it got much worse in the few years leading up to the merit system creation in 2018.  Unfortunately I think post/thread quality has taken a huge step backward lately, as I've seen the Economics section become infested with idiots starting threads that have no value.  That used to be relatively rare compared with other sections.  Ugh.
Yeah it's like a complicated problem.

The forum ban mixers > resulting reduce of signature campaigns and pay rates > high quality posters choose to be inactive or post rarely than before. Also we lack of new generation that can post high quality, this making the section become dead.

So we only have two choices here, either high quality with less activity or low quality with high activity.

Unfortunately for longevity and attract more people, high activity is preferable regardless the quality.
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September 15, 2024, 07:06:12 AM
#23
AI has made the problem much, much worse.  I don't think the tools to catch AI-written shitposts has caught up to the rate at which the morons are using AI to generate garbage.  If I'm wrong about that, someone please tell me.
It is not a problem with the detection tools, yeah some tools return false positives, but if you visit the AI spam report thread, you'll see that users who frequently report posts there have found tools that can nearly tell if a post is AI generated, if one, two or three of these tools affirm that the post is AI generated, then it likely is.

The problem is that there is no 'rule' yet on posting AI generated content, many times the mods usually delete the threads and posts which shows they agree with the report, and i think at most the user gets nuked, but they don't get banned, which means they'll be back posting AI spam again and again even if caught.
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September 15, 2024, 03:36:35 AM
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One wrong and most common approach is creating a thread to report such users.

Do you mean threads like this: Users who spread false/fake/unhelpful information on technical board?

But I don't see many of these kinds and the ones we have serve their purpose too cause users can report the posts and give the link to the posts that were posted on these in the comment section while you use the Report to Moderator' button which makes it easier for the staffs to moderate them.

Since my thread is mentioned, i'm here to mention that this thread is used as reference when reporting certain posts. In my experience, moderator is likely to take action when i include link to post/thread which explain why certain post violate forum rules.
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