Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 439. (Read 901522 times)

Is it fuck BADecker. You're so epically dishonest and a shining example of why atheists hate religion, because religion REQUIRES the believer to maintain a state of intellectual dishonesty, which means you have to lie to yourself against everything your rational brain recognises as being logical fallacy.

Religion is a belief system based on faith. Atheism is a rejection of such belief systems, BECAUSE THEY ARE ENTIRELY FALLACIOUS, in place of a free-thinking, objectively reasoned, critical perspective applied to one's reality.

Your persistent appeal-to-authority, appeal-to-ignorance and, worst of all, special-pleading are simply so you can declare things to be facts without actually having any evidence to support your claims, as is the case for ALL theism. Repeatedly posting your link to your atrociously poor-quality notion of 'evidence' does not, and will not, magically make it credible and worthy of consideration.


Nearly enough evidence? How about the fact that within this Universe there is no reason or requirement for a deity and anything you want to speculate about outside of this Universe is simply making-shit-up(tm). You have no reason or evidence to justify or warrant the notion that a deity exists, yet you persistently speak of such as though you have great knowledge, but you do not. You are conditioned to believe and you are slavishly following your conditioning, that is all you have and that is all you are at this time.



Religion poisons everything. That's why.

Don't even bother trying to head off on the usual dishonest tangent about how religious groups do a lot of 'good', when NOTHING they do requires their religion and, in fact, an atheist charitable group is by definition more worthy of respect for their actions because they do not conduct themselves charitably on the basis of being watched and judged by an invisible super-being.

Mother Theresa was a nasty narcissistic delusional monster who made sure that those she 'cared' for suffered, because she believed that only through their suffering could they get close to her particular invisible super-being.

Yet most theists persistently cite her as being a wonderful example of theist benevolence.

There are many people who feel like they have sinned, even though their life is such that it isn't readily apparent how they have sinned. Perhaps it is the sinners who feel that they have sinned who seek out forgiveness. The other people sin as well, but they simply don't feel that they have sinned.


Again, depending on what the truth is regarding the existence of God, atheism is a religion if God exists. Does God exist? We don't have nearly enough ability to even honestly suggest that He doesn't. Atheism is a religion that seeks to set man and his intelligence up as god, even though atheists don't realize that this is what is happening.



This seems reasonable to me. When a person thinks he has enough evidence in his own mind to believe something that might seem a bit fanciful to others, he really shouldn't be laughed at for the things he thinks.

Human beings have so little knowledge about the universe in which they live, that they don't know what having sense is like. Thank God that He fills in the important gaps for us with direct knowledge in the form of the Bible.

Well I think its mostly the 'sinners' who seek to be forgiven hence seek out a forgiver and nothing beats 'forgiving people' off their most heinous crimes than religion itself.

But the question is if I am an atheist then I must have a certain set of beliefs that contradicts every religion, one of the most important beliefs of almost all atheists is the freedom of choice. We - the atheists - revolted against religion because we were constricted in our thinking in many areas of life, we were burnt alive at the stake for believing the truth, innocent women experimenting with science were called Witches & murdered while the men continued their practices while being revered as great wizards.

In short any religion is a way of thinking so why should we oppose people from believing in what they want to believe even if it has no meaning or is completely baseless ? Why should we hate, mock or degrade people that do believe in God or other such myths ? Should we hate, mock or degrade people that do follow a religion? Now remember these are our very own parents in most cases.

I see many such documentaries and interviews of 'scholars' who laugh and look down upon the people of faith and its kinda funny how things have changed with a few centuries.

When I was more on the liberal/progressive side of things not long ago I was somewhat influenced by the concept that believers where more ignorant in part because they were less intelligent.  That message is a well played sales pitch and one which we see uses in a fair fraction of run-of-the-mill advertising campaigns.  People get off on being told they are smart to act in a certain way, and left wingers are especially prone to this line.  I still believe that there is a correlation between certain aspects of mental function and attitudes toward metaphysical things, but am more inclined to believe that the correlation is weak enough to not be much of a factor in most interactions.

Another complaint I had against religion is that I felt that as an organization, religion had a direct impact on society through lobbying efforts and the like, and thus a direct impact on me.  This may (or may not) have been a real problem when the religion was more strategically mobilized around the Reagan timeframe.  Lately I'm more of the opinion that whatever Judeao-Christian ethical constructs foisted upon me through the state are not a huge problem.  Most of them make some sense and the problem is not excessive.  For now.  It's something I continue to keep a wary eye on, however, and the potential for problems  bothers me in what seems to be the same way that it bothered certain of the founders of the country.  Loss of freedom at the hands of the religious class is hardly a rarity historically speaking.

A am as much an atheist as ever (preferring the term 'heathen') but as I age and observe things and interact with different people I am of the mindset that there are a great many religious people doing a lot of good things.  (BTW, this includes Hamas and Hezbollah who are primarily social organizations trying to best serve their people who are under great stress.)  I cannot help but feel inferior in some ways to people who give up a part of their lives in the service of others, and I no longer believe that this is simply a quid-pro-quo with their God to buy a place it the afterlife.  At the end of the day many of these people are better humans than I and a lot of my heathen brethren.

Edit: counterparts -> brethren (more correct and appropriate usage.)

Then you don't believe in what the son of mary asked you to do...

It's not impossible to follow but it's like one does not have any self respect if they let the other person abuse them and then offer them to abuse more.

I have seen and known people who do follow the bible and say "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing." They forgive those who have done wrong to them and ask me to do the same. I don't believe in this but I believe in punishing those who commit a crime. Jesus asked to forgive the Jews who nailed him on the cross but I will never forgive them. If we keep forgiving our criminals, what's the point of having any LAW then?


I went up to the person and caught the stick with which he was beating up the dog and I made the dog to just run away and hide in the building. I never bear if I see anyone who is illtreating animals.

The example of the dude beating his dog while going to church is why we are what we are... As none of us will go and help the dog, while being a church goer, like the dog beater...

This is not a fact but an almost impossible act to follow. It's like trying to touch the horizon. You can't. But you have a path to follow, a direction the needle of your inner compass will point to... Some people have it naturally, others need guidance and a reminder why they are more than a animal, IF they chose to...

Same with judging. you cannot NOT judge at every moment, every time you breathe... Since those "orders" are impossible to follow to the letter, being the nature of human we will forever be sinners... I haven't open a bible in centuries but that is how I interpreted it.... I could be wrong, of course.


 

Not clueless. Not at all.  Christians just ignore Bible shit that makes no sense in the world they live in.

But this measure of merit, it would be Muslims who were clueless, thinking they must obey every word.

LOL....

Makes sense. So here is a bunch of rational evidence that God exists. And there is much more when you think about how everything works.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395

Prosperity,

evidently nothing, since you "smart person" are incapable of having argument not engulfed in hatred.

Burning Quran out of spite is "mortal sin" in Islam, as is bad-mouthing somebody for their skin color in the west. Why? Becauseee...

The fact, that western "light-bearers" are not churned out by mosques, but by universities doesnt change this paradigm. Both are based in irrational ideologies without regards for science, both shield themselves with love and piece, while their fervent supporters are often quite violent. In fact, Ill give Islam a slack, since it survived several devastating depopulations of its key regions, no such longevity exists among modern day secular Westerners.

The point is, no matter the ideology, it cannot "unbastard" a damaged brain of an individual. Or mob.

What does that have to do with anything I've said? I said that a theists views are largely dictated by what's said in their holy books, at least when concerning the three abrahamic religions, while an atheists views are not restricted by such a medium. Someone who self identifies as "Catholic" for example, cannot be against treating women as being less than men, because of things like this:

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Yet, we see Catholics all the time treating women as equals, but why? According to the bible women are less than men and should be treated as such.

This just goes to show how clueless Theists are about their own faiths. #dumbpeople

Prosperity,
you are simply mistaken. Indeed there many variations on practice of Islam or Christianity (two religions I am most familiar with), while there also exist many variations on national socialism and communism (or rather international socialism), aswell as liberal democracy. All of those systems have rather strict hierarchies and binding taboos, vices and virtues.

Interracial sex is taboo in NS, seen indefferently in communism or Islam (aslong as the pair is married), while it is virtue in libdem.

Arming yourself and fighting in defense of faith or family is considered virtue in NS, communism or Islam, but is seen as taboo in christianity and libdem.

Premarital sex is seen indifferently in atheist systems, while religious ones frown upon it.

Similar differences exist in views on antisemitism, drug use, eugenics, social state, technology and role of a family.

Etc. Etc.

Far worse than that, all this mindless shit resulting in fighting over the "Holy Lands", "Mecca", "Jerusalem", blah blah blah.

The core difference is that those that are religious and are brought up to believe in a mono-theistic god, and currently still believe in their faith(Or self-assign themselves as (x) i.e Muslim, Christian, etc), must believe in their holybooks as well, of which promotes violence, murder, rape, hate, etc. Being selective is not an option when it comes to theists, or they are not theists anymore.

While an atheist is not self aligned to any such medium. There is no book that they follow.

That is why some people such as those in "Terrorist" groups like ISIS, etc, use their holybooks to justify their actions, because their actions are indeed promoted in their books by their "god" and "prophets".

Considering someone mindless might be rational, hating him for it is not. Atheists (also represented by nazis and communists, who replaced God with an idea of "collective good") might be just as militant as their religious neighbours. The point is, that you cannot judge person by ideology he was brought up in.

+1, David Hume and Kant had similar views. Humans are rational beings, believing in a "god" without any objective reason(Evidence) to is irrational, and disregards the entire concept of having the ability to reason and think. Theists are quite possibly the dumbest people on the planet. It's almost as if they "want" to give away their ability to reason, like mindless zombies.

Even if this is true, atheists can force themselves to believe the things about God and salvation, and so be saved.

A person who loses an arm or a leg in life can still function. Life is simply more difficult.

People who lose the religion part of their brain can still believe God and be save. It is simply more difficult.

Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.