Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 444.

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I invite Atheist to watch this video if they have time or when they get time, Recommended.

Scientific Facts Atheists Must Know Why Islam Is The Truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzIm9v67w8

Why? Five minutes in but I think it's pretty ironic the Muslim is disproving the bible because of it's scientific inaccuracy. No scientific facts yet just baseless delusional nonsense as usual but you know what they say about arguing with religious people...

I respect this book, But let me tell you there are many changes made in this book, So if we see it scientifically it wrong.

I don't respect either book. One thing they both have in common was they were both written by humans contrary to what the guy said the quran being 'written by god'. Well that's what Christians say too but offer no proof other than that's just what they believe.

No the Book Quran Is written by ALLAH and revealed to Holly Prophet S.A in his 23 year. This book was compiled and today we can compare this book with the previous print of that, there is no single word that is changed. But there are many changes in the bible.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 10, 2015, 12:58:36 PM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on May 10, 2015, 12:54:09 PM

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 10, 2015, 12:43:32 PM

I invite Atheist to watch this video if they have time or when they get time, Recommended.

Scientific Facts Atheists Must Know Why Islam Is The Truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzIm9v67w8

Why? Five minutes in but I think it's pretty ironic the Muslim is disproving the bible because of it's scientific inaccuracy. No scientific facts yet just baseless delusional nonsense as usual but you know what they say about arguing with religious people...

I respect this book, But let me tell you there are many changes made in this book, So if we see it scientifically it wrong.

I don't respect either book. One thing they both have in common was they were both written by humans contrary to what the guy said the quran being 'written by god'. Well that's what Christians say too but offer no proof other than that's just what they believe.

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on May 10, 2015, 12:54:09 PM

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 10, 2015, 12:43:32 PM

I invite Atheist to watch this video if they have time or when they get time, Recommended.

Scientific Facts Atheists Must Know Why Islam Is The Truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzIm9v67w8

Why? Five minutes in but I think it's pretty ironic the Muslim is disproving the bible because of it's scientific inaccuracy. No scientific facts yet just baseless delusional nonsense as usual but you know what they say about arguing with religious people...

I respect this book, But let me tell you there are many changes made in this book, So if we see it scientifically it wrong.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 10, 2015, 12:43:32 PM

I invite Atheist to watch this video if they have time or when they get time, Recommended.

Scientific Facts Atheists Must Know Why Islam Is The Truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzIm9v67w8

Why? Five minutes in but I think it's pretty ironic the Muslim is disproving the bible because of it's scientific inaccuracy. No scientific facts yet just baseless delusional nonsense as usual but you know what they say about arguing with religious people...

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I invite Atheist to watch this video if they have time or when they get time, Recommended.

Scientific Facts Atheists Must Know Why Islam Is The Truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzIm9v67w8

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Quote from: Lauda on May 10, 2015, 03:35:28 AM

I don't hate religion only because I do not want to spend any of my energy hating people with a weak mind.

Atheists can hate religion without hating the religious. In fact, in most cases, we pity those who are still confined within their mental shackles and having to live through the abusive relationship that defines theist belief systems. That is why we hate religion because we see what it does to people, it poisons them and warps their thinking. It is a virus of delusion that instinctively attempts to reject the antidote of reasoning and critical thinking because part of its symptomatic profile is to convince the sufferer that they couldn't possibly live without it.

Well this is actually an advanced view of the matter. This is what I expect from people who aren't from Bit-X and DaDice.
You've written this very nicely. It is making them reject reasoning and critical thinking.

Religions such as Christianity are absurd. This is an objective opinion. Just think about it. How would it be if you had never heard of any religion till you were grown up and actually though for yourself?
If we take Christianity for an example; you believe in an invisible man who allegedly lived over 2000 years ago. He was killed by religious zealost and then he magically raised from the dead just after three days. In addition to that, they believe in other invisible being such as angels and demons. Meanwhile, another invisible Spirit (the Holy Spirit) is constantly at work behind the scenes around the earth, keeping the whole thing straight and intervening whenever he can. The words 'whenever he can' have been specifically used because since he exists why should he save the little children from abuse and rape? Roll Eyes

Correction 21-05-2020, for reason reported here. As I said in my reply, I must have unknowingly repeated and paraphrased text that I had previously read and remembered. It was not intentional.

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Most of the atheists that I have heard or seen think that people that believe in any religion (Christianity for the most part) are idiots, bad people, or crazy. Now I'm sure there are atheists that don't think this way but I haven't seen or heard from one that doesn't. From what I've experienced atheists think that religion is a social issue and believe that religion is the cause of war,violence, and such. When most religions are against such things. I just want to know why atheists have to think this way and why cant all people just live to respect each other.

There's a difference between respecting a persons right to have an opinion and respecting their actual choice of opinion. If someone wants to have the opinion that someone is an idiot for believing in something then they can and it works both ways. If an atheist wants to think a christian is an idiot for his beliefs then so be and if a Christian wants to think the atheist is stupid then he also has that right.

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Quote from: umair01 on May 10, 2015, 08:52:52 AM

religion is just a means to connect to your immediate environment or the universe around you

No it isn't, the whole point of religion is for your reality to be defined by arbitrary declaration. That is doing the opposite of connecting with your immediate environment, it is denying the reality of your immediate environment.

Quote from: umair01 on May 10, 2015, 08:52:52 AM

,it doesn't matter how you do it,or the medium that you use,whom you speak to, what matters is how you feel right after that; relieved,at peace, calm, confident, renewed, exhilarated, absolved,
refreshed..etc,

Short term amelioration of existential crises is exactly that, short term and in need of persistent and regular application of the required degree of intellectual dishonesty, delusion and fallacy in order to prevent one's rational thoughts from highlighting the inconsistencies and conflicting perspectives derived from such.

You need only look into something called, "Toxic Stress" and the stress-hormone Cortisol, which if persistently raised during periods of unresolved anxieties and traumas during critical periods of brain development in childhood, will actually cause changes in gene expression, which results in physical neurological differences in the resultant adult brain. This is most often the root cause of neurological and psychological dysfunction.

Religion poisons everything. Especially our children.

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I don't necessarily think Atheists hate religion,they probably hate confining their beliefs or thoughts into one ideology or superperson. religion is just a means to connect to your immediate environment or the universe around you,it doesn't matter how you do it,or the medium that you use,whom you speak to, what matters is how you feel right after that; relieved,at peace, calm, confident, renewed, exhilarated, absolved,
refreshed..etc, because to hate religion would simply mean your inability to connect

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Quote from: Lauda on May 10, 2015, 03:35:28 AM

I don't hate religion only because I do not want to spend any of my energy hating people with a weak mind.

Atheists can hate religion without hating the religious. In fact, in most cases, we pity those who are still confined within their mental shackles and having to live through the abusive relationship that defines theist belief systems. That is why we hate religion because we see what it does to people, it poisons them and warps their thinking. It is a virus of delusion that instinctively attempts to reject the antidote of reasoning and critical thinking because part of its symptomatic profile is to convince the sufferer that they couldn't possibly live without it.

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Quote from: Vod on May 09, 2015, 04:23:12 PM

Nonsense. I'm an intelligent person. I have ethics and morals. I don't need spirituality.

Didnt you leave this forum ?

He did temporarily, but that was some time ago. He's actually right about this; as we've already had an agreement in another thread in regards to the subject.
I don't hate religion only because I do not want to spend any of my energy hating people with a weak mind.
From the other thread:

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Maybe most people in the world need faith, something to believe in, something that explains their existence (not in a complicated way such as evolution)?
There are many examples around us to why such "fairy tales" are irrational.
However I do not mind religions that focus on the spirit and meditating. At least they don't believe in books that contain magical stories. Cheesy

Most religions are not a case of absence of evidence. They are actually a case of 'evidence of absence - objectively negative result'. Something does not exist until proven otherwise.

Now please tell me how I'm going to burn in hell for this. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: BADecker on May 09, 2015, 05:07:28 PM

.. atheists attempt to prove God doesn't exist...

Not all atheists hate God. Some are simply ignorant of Him on the outside. But there are those who hate God down deep, and are using the atheistic attitude to try to make Him go away.

There's is a lot of stuff in life that seems illogical. Yet it is there, and it does work. The existence of God may not seem logical in some ways, but this does not mean that God does not exist. Until there is proof that He doesn't exist, atheism is at least philosophy in all atheists, and is religion in some.

1. We try to disprove "its'" existence by proving it doesnt exist. We could do it the other way around as well.
2. We are anything but ignorant. We dont vehemently oppose a religious freak and burn him at stake for opposing our views.
3. The fact that there is no liquid water on Moon was widely accepted. Just goes to show you that even the scientists can be wrong but this also can be interpreted as that not all the popular 'beliefs' are true - no matter how many people believe it.

It would be wrong to say one cant prove that god doesnt exist, because we can. You just have to give in to the fact that all that you have been told by your ancestors who were a bunch of noobs was all a big fat juicy lie.

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Quote from: Vod on May 09, 2015, 04:23:12 PM

Quote from: photon_coin on May 09, 2015, 04:18:50 PM

spirituality is important for everyone

Nonsense. I'm an intelligent person. I have ethics and morals. I don't need spirituality.

Didnt you leave this forum ?

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Quote from: legendster on May 08, 2015, 11:30:31 AM

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

Because religion has kept us (mankind) in the dark for ages...because religion is the worst lie ever told and yet still efficient after 2000 years....because most religious institutions don't pay any government taxes...because most religious people are hypocrites who think that confessing to a priest/imam/etc "washes away" their sins and they can go on being scums again and again until they drop dead and "go to heaven"...

God forgives if you confess. How convenient is that ?!

I should be religious too, it would help me sleep a lot better at night...I just have to lie to myself and others and of course....confess ....

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Then you don't believe in what the son of mary asked you to do...

True. I don't believe in forgiving the people who make innocent suffer. Jesus forgave them cause he is Christ but I am not Christ and a normal human being.

Jesus said that if you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven.

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Quote from: legendster on May 09, 2015, 05:35:03 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 08, 2015, 09:40:20 PM

Again, depending on what the truth is regarding the existence of God, atheism is a religion if God exists. Does God exist? We don't have nearly enough ability to even honestly suggest that He doesn't. Atheism is a religion that seeks to set man and his intelligence up as god, even though atheists don't realize that this is what is happening.

It doesnt take nearly as much grey matter to realize that there is no single entity capable of creating this universe than it takes to write down a troll book & start a new religion with it.

Tell that to the mictobe who asks where the petri dish came from.

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Atheism is not a religion it is the opposition of faith with inquisitive questioning. Atheism doesnt seek to disprove that god exists, for if it did exist atheism would try to figure out why it exists.

At times atheists say that God doesn't exist. At other times they act the part without saying it.

At times atheists have faith in things and people. Religious people question all the same things that atheists do.

Some atheists attempt to prove God doesn't exist.

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On average the typical atheist would spend more of his free time finding evidence of 'god' and disproving hoaxes. A typical theist would simply believe whats being told to him.

The polls are designed to elicit the information out of the people being polled that the pollsters want to hear. Do you have any polls to back this up?

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If atheism was about any form of hate, then it would be hatred towards blind faith.

Not all atheists hate God. Some are simply ignorant of Him on the outside. But there are those who hate God down deep, and are using the atheistic attitude to try to make Him go away.

There's is a lot of stuff in life that seems illogical. Yet it is there, and it does work. The existence of God may not seem logical in some ways, but this does not mean that God does not exist. Until there is proof that He doesn't exist, atheism is at least philosophy in all atheists, and is religion in some.

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Quote from: photon_coin on May 09, 2015, 04:18:50 PM

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despite my personal views and the fact the religion in history has been the cause of many conflicts/ wars/ deaths... ect... I don't think our civilization as a whole is ready to all be athiests right now..... some can handle it and some cannot..

I have my doubts that these maladies were 'caused by' religion as much as religion was used as a tool to promulgate them. Economics and politics probably should fairly take a lions-share of the blame in most cases. This is a new-ish construct for me; for most of my life I was prone to take a more simplistic approach to assigning blame (on religion most usually.)

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Quote from: photon_coin on May 09, 2015, 04:18:50 PM

spirituality is important for everyone

Nonsense. I'm an intelligent person. I have ethics and morals. I don't need spirituality.

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i don't believe all athiests hate religion, i am an athiest yet i respect others individual freedom and rights to practice whatever faith they chose.

spirituality is important for everyone, for myself at least what i consider 'spirituality' is quite different than someone who practices one of the major world religions

it is true there are some athiests that want to convert everyone............ just like there are bible thumpers that want to convert everyone.....

despite my personal views and the fact the religion in history has been the cause of many conflicts/ wars/ deaths... ect... I don't think our civilization as a whole is ready to all be athiests right now..... some can handle it and some cannot..

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Quote from: BitBatFan on May 09, 2015, 03:37:24 PM

I'm atheist and I don't hate religion. Every person decide what he believes.
But, I do beleive there is something "up" or "beyond".

That is good thing. And everyone has its own opinion. I respect your thinking. And its not compulsory that every person have same thinking.

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