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I don't understand this kind of talk.  Obviously you've seen another side of the issue in some particular situations.   By the way, revolutions seldom turn out the way they were intended, and they seldom turn out good.

So what exactly goes wrong?  Try to do better than just saying "they are the plague of this world."  Because I can't figure out what the "they" is.  Should people with high skills NOT offer there services in business contracts?  Should nobody go to help, when a refinery or oil field is totally screwed up because the useless Saudi prince in charge of it was incompetant?

Ahah!

It I work for such a company. I work for an international energy company so I know how it works. They're nothing like "apolitical", they'r the plague of this world xD

You're talking like they're making equal deals, they're not. We're slowly killing each and everyone not being part of the company, that's just how it works...

Oh I'm glad for the job for sure, but I'm ready to leave it and take weapons at the first sight of a revolution. But it won't happen cause people are like you, they think it's normal that big companies and banks control the world cause "they're good, they're skilled and have incredible potential and they help the people" not they don't.

Yeah they pay me, and rather well, but they reap the whole world apart.
I don't mind though, people are too dumb to understand it. So this world is going to be raped by thos banks and companies. I don't care I don't have children...

You might learn more about the subject, and respect them more.  Or the opposite.  But companies with these expert capabilities are sought after across the world.  Communist, socialist, fascist, and democratic nations hire these companies, because they are very good at what they do.  In this sense these companies are "apolitical."

I only point out it is grossly inaccurate to claim that they "take the oil."  Also a blanket indictment of such companies seems ridiculous.  It also seems wrong to indict "capitalism."  What could be wrong with making a business deal that after negotiations, is to the benefit of all parties at the table?  Should it not be made, and all parties remain poorer?

Few would agree with that. 

Ok seems you have far too much respect for international companies...

The I invite you to change nothing to your way of life and continue being a good little soldier of capitalism! Free markets and great companies are our heaven that's for sure! The more freedom we give to markets and companies the better it will be! 

Prove it.  1st Bolded above.

2nd bolded, you know nothing about the oil market.  Oil is a fungible resource, meaning it is all the same.  It is moved to the most profitable place, often the closest market.  Crude oil is moved to a refinery.  If a country breaks its contracts and takes facilities built by foreign companies away from them, there is no future investment.  In such a case, say that country does not have refineries.  The crude will be shipped to a refinery, for example Houston.  

Western firms routinely manage refineries, including in such places as the Middle East.  Do you think it's something a two bit dictator or one of ten thousand royal princes can do?  It takes hundreds of engineers and craftsmen skilled in the trade.  They earn the high salaries and the companies that employ them earn their overhead costs.  

The business of oil is and always will be done by international countries, because the issues are of high value and have nothing to do about national borders.  The major companies work in a large number of ways, in a large number of countries simultaneously.  

Operating a refinery for a "management fee" is standard business practice because it makes sense to all parties involved.  I am not saying there may not have been corruption or abuse, just explaining the business realities as they are today.  These companies do not go into a country and "take their oil."

WTF?

Dude do you even have an idea of what you're talking about???
Yeah let's take the example of Venezuela! The only country who tried to do something! CIA was involved in several coup d'état and took great care to maintain a dictatorship. The Western firms doesn't just "come for a management fee"!!! They come, bribe the dictator in place thanks to the CIA and gets 95% of the profit! Do you REALLY believe that multinational suddenly became philanthropic enough to just COME AND TAKE A MANAGEMENT FEE? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

They come take the oil and sell it back to the USA. It's plain robbery. And when the government is no longer totally corrupted, yeah they nationalize. And that's exactly what should have been done since the beginning!

If a country is in shambles they get a Western firm to come and many their oil fields.  So what?  The revenues go to the local dictators, kings, whatever.  Less a fee for management.  If they can manage it themselves they do so.

This is not "taking their oil."  

That's an outright lie.

Usually it's the complete opposite.  Like Venezuela "nationalizing" their oil and refineries.  (EG stealing them).

A popular idea among wealthy people is to not own it, but rather to control it.

I mean, who cares if you own it or not? If you can control it like you own it, who cares who owns it? If you control it, you get to use it, maybe even better than if you owned it.

We look at the words "government" and "corporations." But inside government and the corporations are people who control things just like they own them. And that is their benefit. They get the things without owning the things.

For example, the President of the United States can spend millions on a vacation. Yet he doesn't own those millions. He simply controls them as though he owned them.

France and USA for example...

We just come and seize everything. Oh of course the "government" doesn't hold it, you imagine? Like if the government was going to take what really worth something?

No of course, that's the big companies that get the gold and the oil after the war. Look a bit at the investments of Total in Middle East...

Totally agree!

Those shitthead just like to pretend they love peace and try to help the world... Yeah for sure, they're the worst in the world!

How comes the 5 permanent member of security council are the 5 biggest weapons producers meh? It means the 5 nations that can decide whatever will happen on earth are the 5 nations that produce the weapons and sell them... Wanna talk about peace again now?

If you are a new religion in a town ; in order to have more followers , you hire infidel killers, houses and after that you say "if you have eternal life protection from my religion, ill protect you, and all of your property" and make more followers. In this case it is clearly seen that you arent an infidel killer but in fact you are the savior.

 

Calm down!

I know that you Turks are pretty much pissed off, as your plans for a Caliphate was smashed in to pieces by Russia, Syria and Iran. But still, you are butchering Kurds in your country. In the last 3 months, more than 1,000 ethnic Kurds were butchered in South-east Turkey by the Turkish army, and no mainstream media in the West will report it. At this rate, you will be able to exterminate the Kurds very soon. 

I don't know of any Western nation, off the top of my head - and I could be wrong - that has captured oil fields and kept them, in the last several decades.  And I don't know of any that has confiscated stocks of gold.

I do know of some that have wasted a lot of their treasure trying to bring peace to lands that don't deserve it.

No not exactly. If you are an ınsurance company in a town ; in order to make sell , you hire robbers to steal from stores , houses and after that you say "if you have ınsurance, ill pay all of your losses" and make more customers. In this case it is clearly seen that you arent a robber but in fact you are the boss of robbers.This four countries also england and ıtaly are the boss of terrorrists. You found a terrorist organization among the Muslim or Latin or african countries , and they make all the damage to those poor countries, kill them and later that you say "look what a horrible society".while they are busy with dealing with the terrorists that you have founded , you steal all they have : petroleum, gold etc.You isnt meant to point you but for the six terrorist countries of the world.

.... Russia , U.s. ; Germany , and France are the number one terrorısts....
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A bit like saying the cops are the #1 in violence because they handle criminals who are violent, isn't it?

Ridicolous very very. Russia , U.s. ; Germany , and France are the number one terrorısts and also the most terrorist supporters. Seeing only what a guy says dont make him a good guy , For in the search the truth just look what he does and did. Russia is now bombing civilians while the YPG and IS terrorists having their vacations.

No this is not truth!
Russia don't support those terrorists, they also have problem with extremists from Caucas
who are now in Syria and they gaining knowledge in guerrilla warfare.
Russia is most honest defender from terrorism!

If someone does that, then he is renouncing his original religion, and converting to Christianity. How can a Muslim accept Jesus as his savior, and at the same time claim that he is following the Islamic tenets? The basic tenet of Islam is that the adherent must accept Allah as the one and only god. Belief in anything else is apostasy.

I don't remember much of what Scientology is about. When you say, how about Scientology, what do you mean?

Anybody of any religion can accept Jesus as his Savior and be saved. The more the person is into anti-Christian religions, the harder it will be for him to do this. God will judge the strength of every person's faith in Jesus, at the time of the resurrection.

How about, for example Scientology?
So any religion is okay as long as it gives you what you're looking for? Well then, I'll look towards The Church of the Jedi then.