Why do islam hates people? - page 83.

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 24, 2015, 05:54:16 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on July 23, 2015, 07:17:29 AM

July 22, 2015
RAJOURI: Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Bajrang Dal activists burnt Islamic State flags fuelling violence in Rajouri area. Curfew has been imposed in the area following violence by the local Muslims over the issue.
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1. Burning the American flag is okay.

2. Burning the ISIS flag is not okay.

3. Insulting Jews and callously accusing them of 911 is okay.

4. "Upgrade your mind, if you still think ISIS is Muslim."

Somehow I do not think the resident straw puppets and paid propaganda trolls are doing a very good or consistent job.

"Muslims demanded arrest of Hindu activists for burning the flag bearing Quranic verses and have threatened to hold protests and declare a bandh if police fails to do so."

Two questions:

1. Did Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Bajrang Dal activists really burnt an "IS" flag or a flag with Qur'anic verses?
2. Were those Muslims protesting for burning flag with Qur'anic verses like they are saying or for burning "IS" flag?

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Quote from: g1974ak on July 24, 2015, 06:08:03 AM

I'm not a religion believer. So I am not Cristian, I'm not Muslim, I am not Jewish and I am not atheist. I believe in the mind of the human kind. I can tell you for sure that what are you telling is not true. Muslims don't hate people and Muslim religion don't predict this. There are countries when various religions lives together without any kind of problems. They respect the rites of each other and live in peace and harmony.

The people are hated by extremists and extremist have not religion. They have mental disorders and for this must be medicated or killed.

What you mean is that you are not a formal, recognized religion believer. Your belief is your religion. If you truly believe that you have no religion, you are deceiving yourself. If you believe in the mind of man, then you are part of the Humanist religion.

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I'm not a religion believer. So I am not Cristian, I'm not Muslim, I am not Jewish and I am not atheist. I believe in the mind of the human kind. I can tell you for sure that what are you telling is not true. Muslims don't hate people and Muslim religion don't predict this. There are countries when various religions lives together without any kind of problems. They respect the rites of each other and live in peace and harmony.

The people are hated by extremists and extremist have not religion. They have mental disorders and for this must be medicated or killed.

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Quote from: Wilikon on July 23, 2015, 07:17:29 AM

July 22, 2015
RAJOURI: Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Bajrang Dal activists burnt Islamic State flags fuelling violence in Rajouri area. Curfew has been imposed in the area following violence by the local Muslims over the issue.
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1. Burning the American flag is okay.

2. Burning the ISIS flag is not okay.

3. Insulting Jews and callously accusing them of 911 is okay.

4. "Upgrade your mind, if you still think ISIS is Muslim."

Somehow I do not think the resident straw puppets and paid propaganda trolls are doing a very good or consistent job.

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MUSLIMS RIOT after Hindu Activists Torch ISIS Terrorist Flag at Rally

July 22, 2015
RAJOURI: Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Bajrang Dal activists burnt Islamic State flags fuelling violence in Rajouri area. Curfew has been imposed in the area following violence by the local Muslims over the issue.

Muslims demanded arrest of Hindu activists for burning the flag bearing Quranic verses and have threatened to hold protests and declare a bandh if police fails to do so.

Meanwhile, VHP had denied any intention to hurt the sentiments of Muslims. The organisation has asked the Muslim protesters to demonstrate against the Islamic State for writing holy inscriptions on its flag.

“We had only burnt the IS flag. We did not know as to what was written on it in Persian.’’
-Dr. Ramakant Dubey, VHP Patron, Rajouri

“Administration is trying to defuse tension by holding meetings between leaders of both the communities. Restrictions under Section 144 of CrPc was imposed in the town for banning of assembly of four or over four persons.”

http://thekolkatapost.com/vhp-bajrang-dal-burn-isis-flag-in-kashmir-curfew-imposed-after-violence/

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Quote from: Wilikon on July 22, 2015, 12:23:58 PM

How do you explain the situation of Raif Badawi. He is not detained by isis...

There is not much difference between the Salafist / Wahhabist doctrine of Saudi Arabia and the ISIS. As a matter of fact, Saudi Arabia remains one of the main sponsors of the ISIS, to this date (along with Qatar). The ultimate aim of the Saudis, as well as that of the ISIS is the same. It is to take back the human civilization to the 7th century AD.

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Quote from: Wilikon on July 22, 2015, 09:43:09 PM

Quote from: Abraham_samad on July 22, 2015, 09:28:44 PM

why many people say about Isis , and always say ISIS is islam Huh

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ISIS=Israeli Secret IntelligenceService

Upgrade Your mind , if you still say isis is islam .

Does Raif Badawi need to upgrade his mind too? What is your opinion on his situation...

Oh, it wasn't JUST Raif....

And now ISIS is EVVIIILLLL JOOOESSS.

How about that. No "let's be careful" about insulting Jews. But a couple "let's be careful" about insulting Muslims.

Here's something interesting, sort of a different subject.

Symposium: A New Koran?

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=1315

One excerpt.

There were many actions of the Prophet recorded in the "authentic" Hadith, such as holding slaves, carrying out beheadings and so on, which are not easy to accept according to the present day norms, to say the least. But for the textual literalists, there is no question that whatever the Prophet did, as recorded in the approved texts, must be accepted and emulated without any question or hesitation. And in order to strengthen their text-based legal methodology, the textual literalists elevated the status of the so called "authentic" Hadith to the status of the divine scripture, almost equivalent to the status of the Qur'an, believed by almost all Muslims to be the literal word of Allah relayed to the Prophet.

For the rest of us, however, first, we need to realize that the "approved" texts were recorded by early methods and at least after a century or two after the passing of the Prophet in an age of violent sectarian conflicts. Therefore, it might be wise to take with a big grain of salt, the accuracy of these so called "approved" texts. Second, if the actions of the Prophet were so important as exact examples, then, why didn't he or his God make sure that authoritative, unambiguous, contemporary recordings of the actions were written down for posterity to follow? Either the Prophet or his God, or both, did not have foresight, or more than likely, these actions were not meant to be exactly copied and emulated, especially in different times, different places, and under vastly different circumstances.

While it is true that there are eternal principles in the Qur'an and the Hadith, such as peace, justice, and mercy, which are universal values, and therefore, incumbent on everyone to believe and practice at all times and at all places, it is also true that it is a betrayal of the true spirit of Islam to assume that God wanted Muslims to follow the Prophet blindly, slavishly, without thinking and reflecting. Is it possible, therefore, that the close-minded, literalist and text-bound tradition is a betrayal of the true spirit of Islam?

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Quote from: Abraham_samad on July 22, 2015, 09:28:44 PM

why many people say about Isis , and always say ISIS is islam Huh

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ISIS=Israeli Secret IntelligenceService

Upgrade Your mind , if you still say isis is islam .

Does Raif Badawi need to upgrade his mind too? What is your opinion on his situation...

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why many people say about Isis , and always say ISIS is islam Huh

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ISIS=Israeli Secret IntelligenceService

Upgrade Your mind , if you still say isis is islam .

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Quote from: hunnaryb on July 22, 2015, 08:49:36 PM

Quote from: fkvidar on July 22, 2015, 01:21:30 PM

let's be careful to generalize Muslims are not monolithic group. Not all Muslims subscribe to extremist rhetoric.

Correct. I have seen many muslims who are a great human being, very helpful and very kind to others. I don't understand why people have a belief that all muslims are same and are involved in terrorist activities. I have many good muslim friends and I bet they are very good.

Yes I agree. Let's also be nice to all those of the Jewish faith. Including those that live in Israel.

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Quote from: fkvidar on July 22, 2015, 01:21:30 PM

let's be careful to generalize Muslims are not monolithic group. Not all Muslims subscribe to extremist rhetoric.

Correct. I have seen many muslims who are a great human being, very helpful and very kind to others. I don't understand why people have a belief that all muslims are same and are involved in terrorist activities. I have many good muslim friends and I bet they are very good.

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Quote from: fkvidar on July 22, 2015, 01:21:30 PM

let's be careful to generalize Muslims are not monolithic group. Not all Muslims subscribe to extremist rhetoric.

Say... Not so much worry being careful about generalizing the other religions

hey!

... Stand up comedians let's be careful

... The New York Times or Politico let's be careful

.. Art galleries let's be careful

... Broadway shows let's be careful

Also a lot of the victims in this thread are muslims themselves. Those victims are not subscribing to extremist rhetorics, merely a subject of it...

So far the discussion is about isis, and to be careful what to say, etc. No one has any supports for the victims...

None.

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let's be careful to generalize Muslims are not monolithic group. Not all Muslims subscribe to extremist rhetoric.

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Quote from: Wilikon on July 22, 2015, 12:23:58 PM

Quote from: zenitzz on July 22, 2015, 05:56:14 AM

I dont think i've ever met anyone that hated Islam but if they have terrorists yes of course They have hated terrorists like ISIS

How do you explain the situation of Raif Badawi. He is not detained by isis...

HE INSULT THE PROPHET!

WE WHO HE SAY INSULT THE PROPHET SAY HE INSULT THE PROPHET!

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Quote from: jaysabi on July 22, 2015, 11:44:38 AM

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I'm making a valid point as a humanist. I'm not sure what your motivation is in obfuscation.

I am giving you the right to ask away. Why aren't you happy about me giving you permission to express yourself? Obfuscation? Nope.

Your premises are flawed (almost certainly intentionally) so can only be regarded as obfuscation since you're no longer contributing anything relevant to what lead you on this tangent.

I am not the one defending the rights of gays under sharia law... I am just saying they have none. I never said it was cool what happened to turing. I am saying he does not exist under sharia law.

I told you not to trust my answer and ask muslims here in this thread. You are afraid to ask, saying it is irrelevant to have the opinion of people with the knowledge of sharia law.

I know enough that I do not know enough so to feel superior to believe I am talking in the name of all muslims here, not needing a direct answer from them...

I agree they have none. Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law. Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after, the way Britain used his skills to help the war effort and then castrated him after they were done with him. The reason I'm not asking Muslims is because it's not relevant to my point. I concede he may have been murdered under Sharia Law, and that doesn't affect my point that Britain has no standing to claim moral superiority for castrating him for being gay.

IF
I agree they have none.
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Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law.
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" Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after

Congratulations on repeating what I said in another format I guess?

I accept your congratulations. It was easy to point out the faulty bug...

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Quote from: zenitzz on July 22, 2015, 05:56:14 AM

I dont think i've ever met anyone that hated Islam but if they have terrorists yes of course They have hated terrorists like ISIS

How do you explain the situation of Raif Badawi. He is not detained by isis...

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 20, 2015, 03:43:39 PM

Quote from: jaysabi on July 20, 2015, 12:58:09 PM

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But even if we just accept the logical fallacy, it doesn't offer any value to the question of moral standing of the Brits who castrated him. Computers existing is not proof that Britain was morally superior for brutalizing him but stopping short of actually murdering him. I take the position that any society that would go so far to brutally suppress someone has no moral standing on the issue whatsoever. It's possible to have no moral standing and there yet be more brutal actions you could have taken, but there's no moral redemption for being slightly less brutal. And Turing's case is even more remarkable because he was an undisputed war hero. Surely if there was someone to be exempted from prosecution, it would be a war hero. The fact that he was not underscores my point on moral standing.

You still don't understand it at all.

Turing was at the center of Allied SPYING. He was instrumental in many, many people being killed (and many not getting killed.)

Think Coventry. If that doesn't mean anything, go look it up. Consider how many had loved ones in Coventry that might have hated Turing for what he did. Many, many, MANY examples like that.

Normal rules - in particular your SJW modern view - have little relation in such a situation let alone in the past.

Nothing here refutes my original assertion re: moral standing, or supports your original assertion that the treatment of Turing after the war could be described as one of "tolerance and appreciation for a great many odd types of people." If you intended your post to counter mine or support yours, please explain further.

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Quote from: Wilikon on July 20, 2015, 02:45:07 PM

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Quote from: jaysabi on July 15, 2015, 09:53:03 AM

I'm making a valid point as a humanist. I'm not sure what your motivation is in obfuscation.

I am giving you the right to ask away. Why aren't you happy about me giving you permission to express yourself? Obfuscation? Nope.

Your premises are flawed (almost certainly intentionally) so can only be regarded as obfuscation since you're no longer contributing anything relevant to what lead you on this tangent.

I am not the one defending the rights of gays under sharia law... I am just saying they have none. I never said it was cool what happened to turing. I am saying he does not exist under sharia law.

I told you not to trust my answer and ask muslims here in this thread. You are afraid to ask, saying it is irrelevant to have the opinion of people with the knowledge of sharia law.

I know enough that I do not know enough so to feel superior to believe I am talking in the name of all muslims here, not needing a direct answer from them...

I agree they have none. Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law. Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after, the way Britain used his skills to help the war effort and then castrated him after they were done with him. The reason I'm not asking Muslims is because it's not relevant to my point. I concede he may have been murdered under Sharia Law, and that doesn't affect my point that Britain has no standing to claim moral superiority for castrating him for being gay.

IF
I agree they have none.
THEN
Turing may have been killed instantly under Sharia Law.
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" Or they may have used his skills to aid their war effort and then killed him after

Congratulations on repeating what I said in another format I guess?

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I dont think i've ever met anyone that hated Islam but if they have terrorists yes of course They have hated terrorists like ISIS

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Quote from: Wilikon on July 20, 2015, 11:06:34 PM

Raif Badawi

The world has not forgotten you.

The people behind your torments do not belong to isis. Yet, you are still suffering. How come? What are you accused of? And by whom?

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