Why do people hate islam? - page 23.

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Quote from: episteme on March 23, 2017, 06:55:26 AM

i don't hate islam.
it's too conveniently simplistic to view islam as 'the problem'.

which is not to say it doesn't have its problematic aspects.
there's only one final prophet there, mohammed - full stop and end of story.

but the historical trajectory there is such that mohammed had to figure out a way to break the perpetual cycle of endemic warfare ....

He didn't, obviously.

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Quote from: episteme on March 23, 2017, 06:55:26 AM

i don't hate islam.
it's too conveniently simplistic to view islam as 'the problem'.

which is not to say it doesn't have its problematic aspects.
there's only one final prophet there, mohammed - full stop and end of story.

but the historical trajectory there is such that mohammed had to figure out a way to break the perpetual cycle of endemic warfare and find a way to unify many tribes around some broader meaningful order. he undrstood power very well and did a brilliant job far as that goes, in those times and places, but then - islam is also designed to appeal to the very poor (and thus also uneducated), that have in many cases lived in the mud for centuries, and those are always pretty tough neighborhoods so to speak.

funny enuough, the only 2 descendents of mohammed today are the king of marocco and jordan - both really cool, intelligent, modest, liberal (even somewhat nerdish) in secular (or slowly secularizing) countries.

and then let's not forget that the sunni and shia are fighting it between themselves like the catholics and protestants did back in the day (the 30 year war) - only in this case the stakes are higher and its not enclosed in fortress europe but is quite transcontinental and geopolitical in nature.

If the ideology causes otherwise sane people do horrible things, I blame the ideology.

Islamic terrorists are the victims of that ideology.

Stop pretending it is not true. Nazism, Communism, or Racism are all wrong and are banned in most countries.

Now it is time to ban religion, Islam in particular.

Last prophet my ass. He was a war monger, opportunist. He needed a strong ideology to help him manage the ever expanding empire.

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i don't hate islam.
it's too conveniently simplistic to view islam as 'the problem'.

which is not to say it doesn't have its problematic aspects.
there's only one final prophet there, mohammed - full stop and end of story.

but the historical trajectory there is such that mohammed had to figure out a way to break the perpetual cycle of endemic warfare and find a way to unify many tribes around some broader meaningful order. he undrstood power very well and did a brilliant job far as that goes, in those times and places, but then - islam is also designed to appeal to the very poor (and thus also uneducated), that have in many cases lived in the mud for centuries, and those are always pretty tough neighborhoods so to speak.

funny enuough, the only 2 descendents of mohammed today are the king of marocco and jordan - both really cool, intelligent, modest, liberal (even somewhat nerdish) in secular (or slowly secularizing) countries.

and then let's not forget that the sunni and shia are fighting it between themselves like the catholics and protestants did back in the day (the 30 year war) - only in this case the stakes are higher and its not enclosed in fortress europe but is quite transcontinental and geopolitical in nature.

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 22, 2017, 07:39:52 AM

Quote from: Vivace92 on March 21, 2017, 10:57:21 PM

I'm sure people who hate Islam is full of vengeance. They don't understand about Islam, we should know that Islam is very peace-loving and prohibits making a mess, hate and revenge.

Really? Read this and tell us that again please.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-atheist-s-murder-case-three-suspects-surrender-in-tn-2361153

Farooq was murdered last Thursday in Coimbatore by Muslim youths for propagating atheism through social media and WhatsApp.

Farooq, who was a resident of Ukkadam, a Muslim-dominated area in Coimbatore, was reportedly murdered by a four-member gang and had deep cuts on his neck and abdomen.

One of the suspects, Saddam, who has criminal cases pending against him, is the brother-in-law of Bengaluru blast case accused Syed Mohamed Buhari alias Kitchan Buhari.

Remember that this has happened in a country where just around 14% of the population is Muslim. If they can do this in a country where they are a small minority, then what will happen once they become the majority?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 21, 2017, 09:36:17 PM

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Quote from: Andrzejk on March 21, 2017, 03:48:14 PM

Because most representatives of the Muslim religion are prone to terrorism and violence. Although among them there are spiritually developed and kind people.

Most of muslim representatives in the middle eastern countries that are devastated by war or in countries where theocracy reins...
We have muslims in Serbia and I've never heard that there was any kind of crime, even less a terrorist attack, comited by them...
Shortly, war makes the worst of people.

That is a surprising statement. Because around 18 years ago, we were hearing about all sort of terrorist activities committed by the Muslims in the Serbian province of Kosovo. And Muslims of Kosovo are famous for their organized crime cartels.

It just seems that time after time, these guys just plain make stuff up.

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I can only speak for myself though concerning the Muslims because I have friends who are Muslims and I dont hate them but come to think of it, recent happenings is making it difficult for people not to have a rethink even what is happening to day in UK a lot of lives will be lost, in Nigeria there is Boko-haram doing their, ISIS is doing their own all in the name of a religion. Its disheartening...

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Quote from: Vivace92 on March 21, 2017, 10:57:21 PM

I'm sure people who hate Islam is full of vengeance. They don't understand about Islam, we should know that Islam is very peace-loving and prohibits making a mess, hate and revenge.

Really? Read this and tell us that again please.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-atheist-s-murder-case-three-suspects-surrender-in-tn-2361153

Farooq was murdered last Thursday in Coimbatore by Muslim youths for propagating atheism through social media and WhatsApp.

Farooq, who was a resident of Ukkadam, a Muslim-dominated area in Coimbatore, was reportedly murdered by a four-member gang and had deep cuts on his neck and abdomen.

One of the suspects, Saddam, who has criminal cases pending against him, is the brother-in-law of Bengaluru blast case accused Syed Mohamed Buhari alias Kitchan Buhari.

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I'm sure people who hate Islam is full of vengeance. They don't understand about Islam, we should know that Islam is very peace-loving and prohibits making a mess, hate and revenge.

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Quote from: Tyrantt on March 21, 2017, 05:05:52 PM

Quote from: Andrzejk on March 21, 2017, 03:48:14 PM

Because most representatives of the Muslim religion are prone to terrorism and violence. Although among them there are spiritually developed and kind people.

Most of muslim representatives in the middle eastern countries that are devastated by war or in countries where theocracy reins...
We have muslims in Serbia and I've never heard that there was any kind of crime, even less a terrorist attack, comited by them...
Shortly, war makes the worst of people.

That is a surprising statement. Because around 18 years ago, we were hearing about all sort of terrorist activities committed by the Muslims in the Serbian province of Kosovo. And Muslims of Kosovo are famous for their organized crime cartels.

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Well you might turn into one.

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Quote from: RedX on March 21, 2017, 08:04:36 PM

I dont hate Islam. The reason why many country hate it is because majority of terrorist group are Islam. But if you think about there are also terrorist that are not Islam and people dont hate their religion because there are only a few of them. I think its just the perspective. There also good people from Islam. I think its the media why they bad publicity because thay are always in the headlines of global attacks.

I dont hate Islam. The reason why many country hate it is because majority of terrorist group are Islam. Cheesy

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I dont hate Islam. The reason why many country hate it is because majority of terrorist group are Islam. But if you think about there are also terrorist that are not Islam and people dont hate their religion because there are only a few of them. I think its just the perspective. There also good people from Islam. I think its the media why they bad publicity because thay are always in the headlines of global attacks.

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Quote from: kodes88 on March 21, 2017, 11:00:34 AM

Quote from: Aleister Crowley on March 21, 2017, 09:53:34 AM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 20, 2017, 12:21:31 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 19, 2017, 11:43:42 PM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 19, 2017, 11:31:10 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 13, 2017, 07:39:37 PM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 13, 2017, 12:39:27 PM

I do not agree to all islam teaches to its people. However i think that this is just normal because islam people doesnt agree as well to all my religious beliefs yet it can not be a right reason for me to hate them. Basically this is all just a repect to humanity and setting aside each diffrences with regards to religion and for me those people who hates them cannot show respect to others

So you ask yourself and us to give the Muslims the respect they do not give us?

So ask your self as well and us to give us the respect that we do not give to them? How ironic if you do not give the other people needs only if they give it to you first. You have to remember why would most of them became terrorist if you dont understand why it came from then you should know first before talking about respect

Nonsense. I can talk about the lack of respect that Islam shows to non-believers, based on what is said in the Koran.

Please, no mindless lecturing or defensive posturing.

What is more nonsense is that even if i do not talk or lecture any proof that non muslims showing no respect to muslim community because it is pretty obvious. You can see it anyways unless your keeping your eyes closed on the other side of the story

Islam doesn't teach violence, Muslims condemn terrorit violence, only crazy people who profess himself to islam, this very sensitiv, because too many people doing the provocations are out there, by way of secretly even openly they do a provocation, it is all to make the battle between human beings, we all condemn the terrorists, Christian, hindu, Buddhist all condemn the terrorists, and islam also hate terrorists , even we do not hate islam, you have to think broadly, many Muslims are evil, many Christians are evil people, Buddhism and Hinduism also many people evil, islam has not only the bad guys. and all of us here taking part in this mess, do not let it continue to happen, at least not around we don't get there is chaos. I know a lot of people who hate islam, but they hate it wrong, not islam, but terrorists. i hpe it could open our heart... Cry

Absolutely, Islam never teaches crime, violence, inhumanity, Islam teaches us the things that are good and beautiful. If you look at people of Islam who do evil, blame the person, not religion. If there are people of Islam who do wrong, blame the personality, not religion. Islam is a complete religion, but there is no perfect man.

Absolutely, Islam never teaches crime, violence,

We should TAX the Muslims only..
We should kill all the believers of Islam..

Absolutely, Atheism never teaches crime, violence, ..

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Quote from: Andrzejk on March 21, 2017, 03:48:14 PM

Because most representatives of the Muslim religion are prone to terrorism and violence. Although among them there are spiritually developed and kind people.

Most of muslim representatives in the middle eastern countries that are devastated by war or in countries where theocracy reins...
We have muslims in Serbia and I've never heard that there was any kind of crime, even less a terrorist attack, comited by them...
Shortly, war makes the worst of people.

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Because most representatives of the Muslim religion are prone to terrorism and violence. Although among them there are spiritually developed and kind people.

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Quote from: Aleister Crowley on March 21, 2017, 09:53:34 AM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 20, 2017, 12:21:31 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 19, 2017, 11:43:42 PM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 19, 2017, 11:31:10 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 13, 2017, 07:39:37 PM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 13, 2017, 12:39:27 PM

I do not agree to all islam teaches to its people. However i think that this is just normal because islam people doesnt agree as well to all my religious beliefs yet it can not be a right reason for me to hate them. Basically this is all just a repect to humanity and setting aside each diffrences with regards to religion and for me those people who hates them cannot show respect to others

So you ask yourself and us to give the Muslims the respect they do not give us?

So ask your self as well and us to give us the respect that we do not give to them? How ironic if you do not give the other people needs only if they give it to you first. You have to remember why would most of them became terrorist if you dont understand why it came from then you should know first before talking about respect

Nonsense. I can talk about the lack of respect that Islam shows to non-believers, based on what is said in the Koran.

Please, no mindless lecturing or defensive posturing.

What is more nonsense is that even if i do not talk or lecture any proof that non muslims showing no respect to muslim community because it is pretty obvious. You can see it anyways unless your keeping your eyes closed on the other side of the story

Islam doesn't teach violence, Muslims condemn terrorit violence, only crazy people who profess himself to islam, this very sensitiv, because too many people doing the provocations are out there, by way of secretly even openly they do a provocation, it is all to make the battle between human beings, we all condemn the terrorists, Christian, hindu, Buddhist all condemn the terrorists, and islam also hate terrorists , even we do not hate islam, you have to think broadly, many Muslims are evil, many Christians are evil people, Buddhism and Hinduism also many people evil, islam has not only the bad guys. and all of us here taking part in this mess, do not let it continue to happen, at least not around we don't get there is chaos. I know a lot of people who hate islam, but they hate it wrong, not islam, but terrorists. i hpe it could open our heart... Cry

Absolutely, Islam never teaches crime, violence, inhumanity, Islam teaches us the things that are good and beautiful. If you look at people of Islam who do evil, blame the person, not religion. If there are people of Islam who do wrong, blame the personality, not religion. Islam is a complete religion, but there is no perfect man.

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Quote from: Aleister Crowley on March 21, 2017, 09:53:34 AM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 20, 2017, 12:21:31 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 19, 2017, 11:43:42 PM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 19, 2017, 11:31:10 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 13, 2017, 07:39:37 PM

Quote from: chixka000 on March 13, 2017, 12:39:27 PM

I do not agree to all islam teaches to its people. However i think that this is just normal because islam people doesnt agree as well to all my religious beliefs yet it can not be a right reason for me to hate them. Basically this is all just a repect to humanity and setting aside each diffrences with regards to religion and for me those people who hates them cannot show respect to others

So you ask yourself and us to give the Muslims the respect they do not give us?

So ask your self as well and us to give us the respect that we do not give to them? How ironic if you do not give the other people needs only if they give it to you first. You have to remember why would most of them became terrorist if you dont understand why it came from then you should know first before talking about respect

Nonsense. I can talk about the lack of respect that Islam shows to non-believers, based on what is said in the Koran.

Please, no mindless lecturing or defensive posturing.

What is more nonsense is that even if i do not talk or lecture any proof that non muslims showing no respect to muslim community because it is pretty obvious. You can see it anyways unless your keeping your eyes closed on the other side of the story

Islam doesn't teach violence, Muslims condemn terrorit violence....

Well, except if the violence is targeting Israelis.

Or gays.

Or adulterous women.

Or thieves.

Or someone helping the Israelis, like the US (The "Great Satan," right?)

Or someone opposed to the narrow Muslim world view in a local conflict.

Or...

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I don't think why they hate just because of their beliefs...Due to negative impression towards Islam and Muslims in the minds of the world's people.Maybe some people believe Islam is a terrorism, I do not intend offense on any person, group or religion.But we also give respect them..

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