It's just inevitable that they will pay for it.
How so?
Topic: Why do people hate trumps wall.. (Read 1058 times)
How so?
Mexicans are going to buy it and turn it into a climbing wall for children. They've been training since 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLVdi14ECCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLVdi14ECCc
It's just inevitable that they will pay for it.
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Now THAT's a wall!
Did the Canadians pay for it?
Now THAT's a wall!
Did the Canadians pay for it?
Apparently, no wall is too high for a skilled Mexican. If even children are able to go over it, it's not going to stop the hordes when zombie apocalypse comes. 
Money well spent Mr. Trump! *Clap* *Clap*
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/4/smuggler-dropped-two-children-top-border-wall-dhs/
Wasn't that quite clear when he said Mexico is going to pay for the wall? What a stupid statement.
Mexicans are going to buy it and turn it into a climbing wall for children. They've been training since 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLVdi14ECCc
Money well spent Mr. Trump! *Clap* *Clap*https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/4/smuggler-dropped-two-children-top-border-wall-dhs/
Wasn't that quite clear when he said Mexico is going to pay for the wall? What a stupid statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLVdi14ECCc
But really, the first thing you need to know about the wall is there is no wall!
It was just a political maneuver Trump used to gain votes -- pretty standard politician tactic of promising something that sounds awesome to your base and then never delivering on it.
It was just a political maneuver Trump used to gain votes -- pretty standard politician tactic of promising something that sounds awesome to your base and then never delivering on it.
A little known fact is while Trump waits (forever) for funding for his Southern border wall he has started construction on the Norther border wall. Turns out the communists in Canada are more of a threat than the immigrants from the south!
Trump lost his mind when he heard the US has the worlds longest undefended border with a communist dictatorship. The commies are coming over the border with Chinese and Russian soldiers Trump feels that hundreds of thousands of these commies are invading the US daily from the North!
The Northern wall has been being built in secret since 2016
Trump is a little scared the Commies are hiding a fire/ice breathing dragon which would make the wall much less effective but he still believes fire/ice breathing dragons are fake news!
Trump has also commissioned a study on the feasibility of east and west border walls as well (he wants walls of water and they will be great), he feels they can almost eliminate immigration entirely if they are physically walled off from the rest of the planet!
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But really, the first thing you need to know about the wall is there is no wall!
It was just a political maneuver Trump used to gain votes -- pretty standard politician tactic of promising something that sounds awesome to your base and then never delivering on it.
Wasn't that quite clear when he said Mexico is going to pay for the wall? What a stupid statement.
But really, the first thing you need to know about the wall is there is no wall!
It was just a political maneuver Trump used to gain votes -- pretty standard politician tactic of promising something that sounds awesome to your base and then never delivering on it.
Aren't these totally different things? I mean, one thing is occupying a part of another country and totally different is that you want to keep all people of colour out of your country?
The parallel I was drawing was that all four neglect/violate post-1945 borders:1) Blowing up Yugoslavia with pumping/propping up ethnic tensions, recognition of Kosovo;
2) Blowing up USSR into 15 "States" some of them not quite full-blown ones, with only half of them really independent;
2) Refusal to recognise Russian Crimea+Sevastopol despite them being Russian in 1945 (and Sevastopol being Soviet in 1991);
3) Propaganda that all migrants should be freely admitted on US South border.
There could be more examples. The basic idea here is: transnational capital has no borders, so stop shouting about need to defend them.
I may be missing something here, but why stop shouting about defending borders because of transnational capital?
How about caring about the southern US/Mexico border strictly for crime control, in terms of murder, rape, drugs?
I don't think I even know ANYBODY that cares about "transnational capital."
Aren't these totally different things? I mean, one thing is occupying a part of another country and totally different is that you want to keep all people of colour out of your country?
The parallel I was drawing was that all four neglect/violate post-1945 borders:1) Blowing up Yugoslavia with pumping/propping up ethnic tensions, recognition of Kosovo;
2) Blowing up USSR into 15 "States" some of them not quite full-blown ones, with only half of them really independent;
2) Refusal to recognise Russian Crimea+Sevastopol despite them being Russian in 1945 (and Sevastopol being Soviet in 1991);
3) Propaganda that all migrants should be freely admitted on US South border.
There could be more examples. The basic idea here is: transnational capital has no borders, so stop shouting about need to defend them.
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Aren't these totally different things? I mean, one thing is occupying a part of another country and totally different is that you want to keep all people of colour out of your country?
Aren't these totally different things? I mean, one thing is occupying a part of another country and totally different is that you want to keep all people of colour out of your country?
LOL, you got that all wrong.
Hispanic Americans have been in the USA before it was the USA. Think in terms of 500 years.
Related: why West hates when Russia is protecting it's borders?
Gorby dismantled USSR on promises NATO will not extend. Those promises were broken.
So West is crying four years now about Crimea suddenly lost to NATO bases, and pretends there are no
legitimate borders that need to be protected. Including South border of USA.
Aren't these totally different things? I mean, one thing is occupying a part of another country and totally different is that you want to keep all people of colour out of your country? Gorby dismantled USSR on promises NATO will not extend. Those promises were broken.
So West is crying four years now about Crimea suddenly lost to NATO bases, and pretends there are no
legitimate borders that need to be protected. Including South border of USA.
Related: why West hates when Russia is protecting it's borders?
Gorby dismantled USSR on promises NATO will not extend. Those promises were broken.
So West is crying four years now about Crimea suddenly lost to NATO bases, and pretends there are no
legitimate borders that need to be protected. Including South border of USA.
Gorby dismantled USSR on promises NATO will not extend. Those promises were broken.
So West is crying four years now about Crimea suddenly lost to NATO bases, and pretends there are no
legitimate borders that need to be protected. Including South border of USA.
Not "West," you see.
Just some jerks with political objectives, like Soros.
Enemies of the US, and some fools that follow them.
Related: why West hates when Russia is protecting it's borders?
Gorby dismantled USSR on promises NATO will not extend. Those promises were broken.
So West is crying four years now about Crimea suddenly lost to NATO bases, and pretends there are no
legitimate borders that need to be protected. Including South border of USA.
Gorby dismantled USSR on promises NATO will not extend. Those promises were broken.
So West is crying four years now about Crimea suddenly lost to NATO bases, and pretends there are no
legitimate borders that need to be protected. Including South border of USA.
It's not going to happen in the USA, but the reasons are essentially that there is a strong argument for taking weed off the Schedule 4 narcotics list. There is no argument for taking narcotics off the narcotics list.
Weed is a sched 1 narcotic, like heroin, Cocaine is a sched 2 narcotic.
Border walls don't work, migration is way to difficult to solve with a fucking wall...
Look, be reasonable. We can keep a lot of Mexicans employed building the wall. You know it's a good thing.
It's not going to happen in the USA, but the reasons are essentially that there is a strong argument for taking weed off the Schedule 4 narcotics list. There is no argument for taking narcotics off the narcotics list.
Weed is a sched 1 narcotic, like heroin, Cocaine is a sched 2 narcotic.
Border walls don't work, migration is way to difficult to solve with a fucking wall...
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When I call for the end to the drug war, I mean all drugs, not just weed. Personally, I feel that the governments' efforts to suppress the market just succeeded in creating a black market. The black market creates more problems than the reduction(?) in ready supply alleviates. And herding people up into prisons to serve long sentences does not seem to deter any replacements to come and fill the gap.
When I call for the end to the drug war, I mean all drugs, not just weed. Personally, I feel that the governments' efforts to suppress the market just succeeded in creating a black market. The black market creates more problems than the reduction(?) in ready supply alleviates. And herding people up into prisons to serve long sentences does not seem to deter any replacements to come and fill the gap.
Okay that's a different matter. That's been tried in some locales around the world with mixed results.
It's not going to happen in the USA, but the reasons are essentially that there is a strong argument for taking weed off the Schedule 4 narcotics list. There is no argument for taking narcotics off the narcotics list. That's at the federal level.
At the state level in the USA we have various states "disobeying" the federal statutes and the feds looking the other way. They are not going to look the other way if a state tried to make all narcotics unregulated.
You know, simply ending the drug war rather than erecting an expensive wall would probably do wonders in reducing this problem. Getting rid of the black market for drugs would make the dangerous drug cartels obsolete. Also, it would reduce people seeking asylum, for both the claims for needing asylum that are legitimate and the ones that are not legitimate. Plus, the government can use the now legitimized recreational drug policy as a new way to raise revenue. Seems to be working reasonably well here in Colorado with legalized Marijuana.
This is partly true. It would not impact the lucrative cocaine trade.
Assuming that the customers prefer the legal weed, if price and quality is good, this seems to improve things all around.
It's important to note that partial solutions to a large and complex reality should never be rejected. It was by a series of gradual relaxations and partial solutions that the West, notably Reagan, cracked open the Soviet block. And Nixon's starting a dialogue with China, that worked in a similar way. Trump and NK, etc. These are paths to a solution.
By the way, Legal is not a right/left issue today in the USA. You will find many on all sides of the political spectrum who would agree with legalization. That is why the trend toward legalization is succeeding.
The wall is a part of any solution and is a reasonable thing, assuming one gets out of the new progressive open border crap and thinks rationally.
When I call for the end to the drug war, I mean all drugs, not just weed. Personally, I feel that the governments' efforts to suppress the market just succeeded in creating a black market. The black market creates more problems than the reduction(?) in ready supply alleviates. And herding people up into prisons to serve long sentences does not seem to deter any replacements to come and fill the gap.
....If you get bent out of shape over rape and murder by immigrants but not rape and murder by citizens, you are part of the rape and murder problem.
Lol, now you are trying your skills at sophistry, and doing quite poorly. But that's an inevitably outcome from attempting to argue illogical premises.More importantly it is an admission to having lost the argument. Then one has no option but to resort to logical fallacies and such. You might consider that is not wise.
You know, simply ending the drug war rather than erecting an expensive wall would probably do wonders in reducing this problem. Getting rid of the black market for drugs would make the dangerous drug cartels obsolete. Also, it would reduce people seeking asylum, for both the claims for needing asylum that are legitimate and the ones that are not legitimate. Plus, the government can use the now legitimized recreational drug policy as a new way to raise revenue. Seems to be working reasonably well here in Colorado with legalized Marijuana.
This is partly true. It would not impact the lucrative cocaine trade.
Assuming that the customers prefer the legal weed, if price and quality is good, this seems to improve things all around.
It's important to note that partial solutions to a large and complex reality should never be rejected. It was by a series of gradual relaxations and partial solutions that the West, notably Reagan, cracked open the Soviet block. And Nixon's starting a dialogue with China, that worked in a similar way. Trump and NK, etc. These are paths to a solution.
By the way, Legal is not a right/left issue today in the USA. You will find many on all sides of the political spectrum who would agree with legalization. That is why the trend toward legalization is succeeding.
The wall is a part of any solution and is a reasonable thing, assuming one gets out of the new progressive open border crap and thinks rationally.
You know, simply ending the drug war rather than erecting an expensive wall would probably do wonders in reducing this problem. Getting rid of the black market for drugs would make the dangerous drug cartels obsolete. Also, it would reduce people seeking asylum, for both the claims for needing asylum that are legitimate and the ones that are not legitimate. Plus, the government can use the now legitimized recreational drug policy as a new way to raise revenue. Seems to be working reasonably well here in Colorado with legalized Marijuana.
Of course out of millions of people, there will be some who commit rape and murder. That is why I posted the article about the research. Undocumented immigrants are not a special group of people immune to the human struggle. The key is that they commit these crimes at a lower rate than the people already here.
Why not just focus on addressing issues of rape and murder in society in general? Why focus on poor people who are actively trying to better themselves? If you get bent out of shape over rape and murder by immigrants but not rape and murder by citizens, you are part of the rape and murder problem.
Why not just focus on addressing issues of rape and murder in society in general? Why focus on poor people who are actively trying to better themselves? If you get bent out of shape over rape and murder by immigrants but not rape and murder by citizens, you are part of the rape and murder problem.
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