Topic: Why do people hate trumps wall.. - page 3. (Read 1035 times)

well mexicans and aztecs also differentiated between themselves (culturally and geographically) and the tribes that they enslaved and sacrificed to their gods

So I need a passport to go to Mexico but Mexicans don't need a passport to come to the US?

I'm baffled by those who may support forward thinking initiatives such as Bitcoin and yet cheer Trump and his wall. There is nothing decentralized nor modern about a wall, it's totally old school and quite ineffective to boot. While should we look for information and currency to flow freely from nation to nation but block people from doing so? It won't stop illegal immigration - it'll cost a bunch, cause disputes and border issues, harm the environment,make people fleeing dependent upon criminals for passage, destabilize border towns on both sides, potentially trap people if any country becomes too dangerous; alienate allies on the continent, divide south America from North America and otherwise isn't any good for us as a species. Heck, that whole "me first isolationism" stuff that Trump spews is counter to the world that Satoshi envisioned when he / she / they created bitcoin.

Decentralized, global, transparent system......

You're either for the future or against it....

either for walls or for bridges....

I can only guess what Satoshi would likely say about Trump and his wall.

Only it is not a game. Confrontation and standoff on the border. This wall will only become a reason of conflicts but won't affect the illigal migration traffic. These measures will increase the cost of help for illigal border crossing as I think.

Standard questions and issues on the immigration forms, dude.

Every applicant....

So you are wrong. Now be honest. You are either for unimpeded illegal entry, which MEANS no health screening, or you are for legal immigration, which means health screening. And we know you are for unimpeded illegal immigration, so stop the lying ("saying things that are false"/"being misinformed" blah-blah-blah) about being for health screening.

No, it's not. Again, you are wrong.

You just can't slap blame on climate change for every stupid political agenda item you are told to believe in over and over.

The Government of Honduras declared State of Emergency in the Dry Corridor from August 15th until December 31st, 2018, to address the lack of water provoking a loss of crops. The drought, triggered by El Niño, affects 145 municipalities from 13 departments.

El Nino is a standard, ordinary and periodic weather event.
https://reliefweb.int/disaster/dr-2018-000106-slv

What are El Niño and La Niña?
El Niño and La Niña are opposite phases of a natural climate pattern across the tropical Pacific Ocean that swings back and forth every 3-7 years on average. Together, they are called ENSO (pronounced “en-so”), which is short for El Niño-Southern Oscillation.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/el-niño-and-la-niña-frequently-asked-questions

The ENSO pattern in the tropical Pacific can be in one of three states: El Niño, Neutral, or La Niña. El Niño (the warm phase) and La Niña (the cool phase) lead to significant differences from the average ocean temperatures, winds, surface pressure, and rainfall across parts of the tropical Pacific. Neutral indicates that conditions are near their long-term average.

If I said something that was false, why would you assume I am lying?  Its the internet.  Why would I lie just to prove a point when you can easily access the facts.  If someone says something wrong, why not just assume they are misinformed instead of assuming they are evil and trying to trick you with a lie?

  I have no opposition of health screening but we aren't doing that anymore.  I'd love to setup ellis island centers all along the southern border with enough staffing and capacity to process anyone who wanted to come and give them health screening.  That would be fantastic.  Why do you assume people who disagree with you want to spread infectious diseases?

We are at the bridge, THIS is us getting to it.  Honduras has suffered a historic drought at the same time of this instability.  Same with Syria and the horn of Africa. 

No, you are definitely one I would not let in, but you have not understood the reasons why.  That's fine with me. I wouldn't let you in because of your constant lying. As an example, your words, totally made up....

Historically, people showed up at Ellis Island and were widely accepted.  Your idea of social engineering and selection of people based on racial quotas and an "ideal immigrant" is very new

You obviously don't know or care about the actual facts about Ellis Island. For example, people with turberculosis were turned back there. Good policy, right? Accept only healthy people? And you don't know about country quotas either, right?

Of course you knew about those things, you're just lying because it suits you.

As for future caravans of climate change, sure...buddy....

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

Trump doesn't care. He is doing what is best for the people. If he makes a mistake, he knows he will be gone in two terms or less.

People are stupid. They look at the wall through eyes without understanding.

Are you sure Europe's issues can all be blamed on Schengen?  Nothing to do with the 2008 crisis or the aging population?

Future caravans will be bigger and bigger largely because of climate change.  We can expect hundreds of millions of climate refugees worldwide by the turn of the century as there will be more flooding, droughts, and failed states because of all of that.  I feel like the US should aim to have the largest acceptance rate.  Why should any other country be better equipped to handle refugees than our large nation that was founded on these very principles?
https://reliefweb.int/report/world/climate-migrants-might-reach-one-billion-2050


We have a very low population density and 100,000 refugees is hardly a drop in the bucket.  Our aging population demographics could be strengthened by a new influx of immigrants. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-column-miller-immigration/aging-united-states-must-get-the-economics-right-on-immigration-idUSKCN1BP184

Historically, people showed up at Ellis Island and were widely accepted.  Your idea of social engineering and selection of people based on racial quotas and an "ideal immigrant" is very new and reminds me of nazi Germany's desire to create a supreme race of people.  The US was built on multiculturalism and the quote on the statue of liberty should still hold merit.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/30/solve-migrant-caravan-problem-help-us-economy-work-visas-column/1811074002/

I respect your honesty but the idea that you would discriminate against someone because their political views are different from yours is un-American.  Your desire to create a nation of people who only hold the views you hold is bigoted.  I would never suggest the denial of someone simply because we have difference of political opinion. 

A lot of people come to America to avoid that same sort of political persecution you are suggesting.  Have you no respect for diversity? Shame.  Your sense of urgency is alarming.  Why do you feel so threatened in the first place?  If your ideas are correct and righteous, shouldn't you have faith that they will win out and withstand the test of the time?

Mainly international interests induce liberals to work against the wall because a porous open border would serious weaken the US. Just like it weakened Europe. That's what those international interests want.

The next "caravan" will be 100,000 or millions of people. They are organized for political purposes by people with motives.

The interest of the US is served by letting those in who we want in, not  hardened criminals and not those with certain infectious diseases.

It's our right to select who comes in, and it's not the right of whomever wants in to get in.

For just one example, a left wing radical communist like yourself. I wouldn't let you in the USA.

This is going to be a weird game of tower defence. The most massive tower defense game in hundreds of years.

Ok, so we build a wall around the border…what's stopping people from walking around?

Ah yes, that's very important. Gotta make sure the wall meant to divide two countries doesn't look unwelcoming and cold to the great american children who Donald Trump saved from the evil, savage rapists he totally doesn't hate or who he totally didn't force to pay billions of dollars and impose sanctions when they refused.
Now if only we could invent some sort of a sound barrier to prevent the protesters and human rights activists complaints from the other side from reaching their ears…