Why do we need to use the 3rd party tools to see the DT status?

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Quote from: Vod on August 15, 2024, 09:18:35 PM

It is worth noting that one member claimed Theymos paid him to police the new DT system until he was "shit canned". The DT system is now one of the best tools in determining if a user will run away with your coins.

Let's just pretend to not know who this user is or perhaps, we could act like we ain't even read a post like this?.. maybe..
The last line of your post bothers me alot; unless you were referring to situations of being escrows etc, anyone could decide to act weird! Seen a couple of trusted people zoom off with $450 non-colleteral loan... That's a little piece, but a huge loss to the merchant.

Quote from: philipma1957 on August 16, 2024, 07:43:58 PM

Luckily my wife has mostly recovered from it. I have some permanent damage from covid, but it is a cosmetic issue which if you really read the wall observer thread I mention the cosmetic damage I have.

I'm sorry about your health ... Yeah, you didn't say that to attract pity whatsoever, but whatever it takes, just take good care of yourself, wife and family.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 18, 2024, 11:13:54 AM

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 18, 2024, 11:08:58 AM

You become a DT2 member, if at least 1 DT1 member includes you in his/her trust list and the number of DT1 users that have excluded you from their trust list is not higher than number of the DT1 users that have included you in their trust list.

Even more accurate this way Wink

Unless of course the DT1-members are excluded by themselves by other DT1-members, in which case they can't vote for DT2. But they can still vote for DT1. It's no wonder Newbies don't understand the details....

Not everyone understands how the Trust system works especially users who post on only certain boards and rarely visit anywhere else in the forum.

Thanks guys for clarifying the answer. I will be able to explain it better next time when asked the question about DT.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 18, 2024, 11:08:58 AM

You become a DT2 member, if at least 1 DT1 member includes you in his/her trust list and the number of DT1 users that have excluded you from their trust list is not higher than number of the DT1 users that have included you in their trust list.

Even more accurate this way Wink

Unless of course the DT1-members are excluded by themselves by other DT1-members, in which case they can't vote for DT2. But they can still vote for DT1. It's no wonder Newbies don't understand the details....

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on August 18, 2024, 11:03:18 AM

While DT2 are directly selected by DT1 members. That means if a DT1 adds you to their Trust list, you automatically become a DT2.

To be more accurate:
You become a DT2 member, if at least 1 DT1 member includes you in his/her trust list and the number of users that have excluded you from their trust list is not higher than number of the users that have included you in their trust list.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on August 16, 2024, 07:52:30 PM

What really differentiates DT1 and DT2 ?

DT1 members are selected by a voting system that was created by Theymos to ensure that DT power is not abused. While DT2 are directly selected by DT1 members. That means if a DT1 adds you to their Trust list, you automatically become a DT2.

I suggest you customize your Trust list if you have not done so. First read LoyceV’s trust guide: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:24:24 PM

My question is already on the title.
Why we have to use the tool to see DT status of a member ? Why not in forum ?
I am sure that's the reason most of the newbies like me to familiar with the usage of trust system and know about the DT members takes years.

Third party site doesn't only give you the DT status but you can view the overall performance of a user and the thread/topic they usually post. However, this shouldn't be your main target or reason of being here although I know that you are on your learning phase which should know some certain things but I think your focus should be on knowing more things about your journey of investment or knowledge of knowing things that relates with bitcoin.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:24:24 PM

My question is already on the title.
Why we have to use the tool to see DT status of a member ? Why not in forum ?
I am sure that's the reason most of the newbies like me to familiar with the usage of trust system and know about the DT members takes years.

An interesting topic for sure, but if we look at the big picture, is there any complete software without the need for third-party tools? Starting with Win OS and moving on, it is always necessary (or at least makes it easier) with some additional tools, applications or plugins...

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 16, 2024, 03:35:12 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on August 16, 2024, 01:55:44 AM

Many people are on DT without a good reason.

One question for you then what's your personal opinion about that should be good reason to be in DT.......
Maybe everyone has different opinions on it but can you share your opinion here ?

That's the problem: opinions are subjective. I wrote LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system for my view on the Trust system.

When I say people are on DT without good reason, I mean they don't qualify according to the forum's instructions: "List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists". There are many users on DT who barely left any feedback.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:24:24 PM

My question is already on the title.
Why we have to use the tool to see DT status of a member ? Why not in forum ?
I am sure that's the reason most of the newbies like me to familiar with the usage of trust system and know about the DT members takes years.

What you don't know, you don't know but I believe you've already been furnished with the right answer. Still, I would have loved it if many of the links that appears hidden are made more visible.

Perhaps, there could be a directory where people can easily go to to navigate the topic they are curious to know. And by a single search specially dedicated to it, most hidden topics may be more visible.

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DT is not intended to actually be 'default' for most users who are actually trading on the forum. Forum members are encouraged to curate their own trust lists, and network to include ratings that are the most useful to them.

Being in your trust network (or on DT if you have no trust list) is only meant to affect how trust ratings are displayed. It is not meant to highlight someone's posts, or to signify that someone is more knowledgeable than others.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 16, 2024, 07:43:58 PM

I used to be far ahead of chart buddy. But he is one very relentless bot.

Also I likely have 2000 deleted posts. As I did a rage delete spell when my wife was in the hospital with double pneumonia from covid.

Theymos did an April fools joke about covid and I was very angry at him and the website in general.

Luckily my wife has mostly recovered from it. I have some permanent damage from covid, but it is a cosmetic issue which if you really read the wall observer thread I mention the cosmetic damage I have.

Back to this thread. DT1 and dt2 are pretty much one and the same. And merit sources are easy enough to figure out.

Just got to know this.

Wish you both full recovery

Yeah but some merit sources have smaller merit allocations to sometimes you may not notice them easily because of that.

What really differentiates DT1 and DT2 ?

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on August 16, 2024, 06:19:43 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on August 16, 2024, 05:56:28 PM

well I post like mad I always have.

MacRumors thousands of posts
123macmini thousands of posts
partsexpress thousands of posts
Madisound 1200 posts
altcoinstalks 2000 posts
bitcointalk 46,000 posts
anandtech thousands of posts
amazon reviews 500 reviews.

there is more. but bitcointalk is by far the biggest.

Wow that's crazy

46k Shocked

soon I bet your post count is gonna meet up with bitcoin price.

Just decided to check out top BPIP specs and I figured out that the only reason you are not the user with the highest activity is because of your registration date here.

Had you registered earlier you would have ;

Highest activity
Highest post
Been most active
And still most recognised.

Nice one Phil !!!

You're literally so close to chart buddy in number of posts.

Wanna see you beat bitcoin price with your post count too Grin

I used to be far ahead of chart buddy. But he is one very relentless bot.

Also I likely have 2000 deleted posts. As I did a rage delete spell when my wife was in the hospital with double pneumonia from covid.

Theymos did an April fools joke about covid and I was very angry at him and the website in general.

Luckily my wife has mostly recovered from it. I have some permanent damage from covid, but it is a cosmetic issue which if you really read the wall observer thread I mention the cosmetic damage I have.

Back to this thread. DT1 and dt2 are pretty much one and the same. And merit sources are easy enough to figure out.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 16, 2024, 05:56:28 PM

well I post like mad I always have.

MacRumors thousands of posts
123macmini thousands of posts
partsexpress thousands of posts
Madisound 1200 posts
altcoinstalks 2000 posts
bitcointalk 46,000 posts
anandtech thousands of posts
amazon reviews 500 reviews.

there is more. but bitcointalk is by far the biggest.

Wow that's crazy

46k Shocked

soon I bet your post count is gonna meet up with bitcoin price.

Just decided to check out top BPIP specs and I figured out that the only reason you are not the user with the highest activity is because of your registration date here.

Had you registered earlier you would have ;

Highest activity
Highest post
Been most active
And still most recognised.

Nice one Phil !!!

You're literally so close to chart buddy in number of posts.

Wanna see you beat bitcoin price with your post count too Grin

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on August 16, 2024, 05:39:12 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on August 16, 2024, 05:30:41 PM

I have been on and off dt1 due to selection process done by theymos.

any dt1 can be dropped off .

I think 125 to 140 people could be picked for dt1 and some are left out every once in a while.

I happen to be a merit source. maybe around 100 of us are merit sources.

Yeah I noticed that some users are being alternated between DT1 and DT2.

Seems you an Theymos to have also been alternating between most recognised on the forum for quite a long time now.

well I post like mad I always have.

MacRumors thousands of posts
123macmini thousands of posts
partsexpress thousands of posts
Madisound 1200 posts
altcoinstalks 2000 posts
bitcointalk 46,000 posts
anandtech thousands of posts
amazon reviews 500 reviews.

there is more. but bitcointalk is by far the biggest.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 16, 2024, 05:30:41 PM

I have been on and off dt1 due to selection process done by theymos.

any dt1 can be dropped off .

I think 125 to 140 people could be picked for dt1 and some are left out every once in a while.

I happen to be a merit source. maybe around 100 of us are merit sources.

Yeah I noticed that some users are being alternated between DT1 and DT2.

Seems you an Theymos to have also been alternating between most recognised on the forum for quite a long time now.

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 15, 2024, 08:24:59 PM

Why is it so important to know the DT members?
Any special reason?
Tomorrow another suggestion will appear to make a badge for merit sources and we will also call on PowerGlove.
Op, forget about DT status and enjoy the forum. A DT member today can lose their DT status tomorrow. There's nothing special about DT, unless for those that abuse it.

I have been on and off dt1 due to selection process done by theymos.

any dt1 can be dropped off .

I think 125 to 140 people could be picked for dt1 and some are left out every once in a while.

I happen to be a merit source. maybe around 100 of us are merit sources.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:24:24 PM

Why we have to use the tool to see DT status of a member ? Why not in forum ?

You don't need third party tools to see your DT status but it sure is quicker to see it for all accounts when you are using BPIP extension if you enable this in settings.
Most forum members don't really care about their DT status, but extension has plenty other useful functions also.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 16, 2024, 01:55:44 AM

Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:49:31 PM

But I saying for why not it's shows on the user profile ? Like the way forum shows the merit & rank ?

It's irrelevant when browsing the forum. But there's a browser extension for it: [β] BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome.

In general, anything that can be created by users doesn't need to be created by the forum.

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I think it's also a important indicator to identify users reputations?

Many people are on DT without a good reason.

One question for you then what's your personal opinion about that should be good reason to be in DT.......
Maybe everyone has different opinions on it but can you share your opinion here ?

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:49:31 PM

But I saying for why not it's shows on the user profile ? Like the way forum shows the merit & rank ?

It's irrelevant when browsing the forum. But there's a browser extension for it: [β] BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome.

In general, anything that can be created by users doesn't need to be created by the forum.

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I think it's also a important indicator to identify users reputations?

Many people are on DT without a good reason.

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Quote from: PX-Z on August 15, 2024, 10:56:58 PM

Yes, but then it still uses third party tool (actually there are lot of them including bpip), well, at least for fetching users. What i mean is only dependent on forum software/records.

You can. Your trust settings can include DefaultTrust, which by itself will show the DefaultTrust list at depth 0. DefaultTrust is meant to be a reference anyways, once you've been here long enough you should establish your own web of trust.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

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Quote from: ranochigo on August 15, 2024, 09:11:10 PM

LoyceV has a nifty website that visualizes it: https://loyce.club/trust/ranking/. Usernames with DT1 flags are included in the Default Trust.

Yes, but then it still uses third party tool (actually there are lot of them including bpip), well, at least for fetching users. What i mean is only dependent on forum software/records.

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 15, 2024, 08:24:59 PM

Why is it so important to know the DT members?
Any special reason?

DT status is not limited to "members in DT". As you mentioned, the members come and go. DT status can also mean "member's trust rating". (pos/neu/neg) That is important. The DT system cannot be controlled beyond the DT1 placement by Theymos. After that, those members trust others. If a user bounces in and out of negative trust, it statistically means more users trust them than distrust them. If a user has multiple negative trusts even as the DT members rotate, enough members distrust that user that they should be avoided.

The negative trust is a lot more important than the DT status of an individual.

It is worth noting that one member claimed Theymos paid him to police the new DT system until he was "shit canned". The DT system is now one of the best tools in determining if a user will run away with your coins.

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Quote from: PX-Z on August 15, 2024, 06:07:45 PM

I guess this is more possible and easier if there is a database table of all current DTs. If not it will be hard, as PowerGlove will program/make all the conditions set by theymos for him to get those list. But yeah, it's possible thks way.

LoyceV has a nifty website that visualizes it: https://loyce.club/trust/ranking/. Usernames with DT1 flags are included in the Default Trust.

Ideally, DT should only serve as a guide and that it should be removed once the user has formed their large enough Web Of Trust.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:49:31 PM

But I saying for why not it's shows on the user profile ?

Honestly, most users don't care about their DT status. They mostly don't care about it themselves but other forum members care about it. Is it necessary to pay attention on status that does not belong to yourself, I really don't see this need.

I only care if one member is scammer or not scammer and it can be seen with negative trust score and negative trust feedback that is enough.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 15, 2024, 03:36:16 PM

You can visit the following link to see the full list of DT1 and DT2 members.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt

Users that are listed under "Depth 1" are DT1 members and users that are listed under "Depth 2" are DT2 members.

This LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system can help too.

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Why is it so important to know the DT members?
Any special reason?
Tomorrow another suggestion will appear to make a badge for merit sources and we will also call on PowerGlove.
Op, forget about DT status and enjoy the forum. A DT member today can lose their DT status tomorrow. There's nothing special about DT, unless for those that abuse it.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 15, 2024, 03:36:16 PM

You can visit the following link to see the full list of DT1 and DT2 members.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt

Users that are listed under "Depth 1" are DT1 members and users that are listed under "Depth 2" are DT2 members.

You did well providing the link for other users to be able to also have the view to access who're members of the DTs but I think the Op was instigating in why the DT status isn't indicated in the users profiles.
I also think it'd be a good idea if it could be. If not for anything atleast knowing when users have achieved new remark such as when users are ranked up and made visible for othe users by just visiting their profiles.

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Quote from: logfiles on August 15, 2024, 05:18:56 PM

PowerGlove has been trying to help by creating a few patches here and there that the admin has implemented. Maybe you could also suggest something similar in that very thread and see if he can work on it.

I guess this is more possible and easier if there is a database table of all current DTs. If not it will be hard, as PowerGlove will program/make all the conditions set by theymos for him to get those list. But yeah, it's possible thks way.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on August 15, 2024, 03:49:31 PM

But I saying for why not it's shows on the user profile ? Like the way forum shows the merit & rank ?
Didn't DT status also important to view on user profile? Because I think it's also a important indicator to identify users reputations?

Just like may other features missing that have been suggested in the past, I think it's at the bottom of the priority list by the admin... That how we ended up with most of this third party tools

PowerGlove has been trying to help by creating a few patches here and there that the admin has implemented. Maybe you could also suggest something similar in that very thread and see if he can work on it.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 15, 2024, 03:36:16 PM

You can visit the following link to see the full list of DT1 and DT2 members.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt

Users that are listed under "Depth 1" are DT1 members and users that are listed under "Depth 2" are DT2 members.

Thank you for this link.

But I saying for why not it's shows on the user profile ? Like the way forum shows the merit & rank ?
Didn't DT status also important to view on user profile? Because I think it's also a important indicator to identify users reputations?

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You can visit the following link to see the full list of DT1 and DT2 members.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt

Users that are listed under "Depth 1" are DT1 members and users that are listed under "Depth 2" are DT2 members.

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My question is already on the title.
Why we have to use the tool to see DT status of a member ? Why not in forum ?
I am sure that's the reason most of the newbies like me to familiar with the usage of trust system and know about the DT members takes years.

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