Topic: Why do we spam - page 2. (Read 588 times)

Hehe. I am sure he doesn't even know what is he writing. Sometimes, The AI generates these shits and as you may know, some members use AI to write these shit. We have a member in our local thread who said everyone should wash their wallets to keep them clean but everyone was talking about crypto wallets. It is funny how this guy came up with such spam in a thread where we were talking about spam. LOL.

Benedictare, the spam you were talking about is unsolicited PM. Anyone can report them and they PM sender may get banned for doing it repeatedly. But, we are talking about forum posting spams where people rarely get banned for posting shit.

   
You are talking about spam in a general sense. I think the OP was more interested in spam on this forum, which does have its own specifics.


How can they be "harmless" if they are "fraudulent"? Besides, you said a second ago that they can also be "very dangerous". You are contradicting yourself.

 
  Spam has to do with unrequested messages sent in magnitude which are usually sent through email,  it is also shared through text messages ,social-media or phone calls.
    Some people spam for various reasons,  but some common motivations has to do with selling of services , circulating malware  or scams and the main reason of motivation of spam is to make profit.   

    Spammers communicate their unwanted messages through bulk sending like marketing to sell their not requested goods. Spam seems to be lucrative especially when they sell products that are questionable. Spam is very annoying and can  be very dangerous    .
   
   Spam messages usually come in a way of harmless promotional email  which are fraudulent.

You really think that will stop them from doing it? I don't think so. It's like saying public display of execution of criminals will stop others criminals from going into crime? I haven't seen that method being effective in discouraging crime or has it been able to reduce crime rate. From my observation, I think campaign managers have a bigger input in this if it's to stop. If campaign rules are set to discourage spam posts and those managing them are strict in sticking to it, participants will sit up. There's no gainsaying about it.

Seems I triggered too many points here. I cannot reply to everyone but I would love to clarify what I said.

Yes. I still stand by what I said. If someone is active enough in the forum shares his knowledge, and reads before they write, they should earn at least 10 merits in the last 120 days if not 20. How many members could you show me who are active in several sections of the forum but didn't earn at least 20 or 10 merits? Either they are not active, or they are stuck in a circle where merits are not circulating enough. I do not focus on earning merits either.

How else should we judge the quality of posts? After all, merit was introduced to judge the quality of posts. If you believe some members generate quality content and they do not earn merits for their content, it's the failure of merit sources as the administration. Feel free to share who are those members who are generating quality content, I will report their good posts to get merited in some specific threads where merit sources award good posts.

I am not blaming campaign managers for the spam. But, if campaign managers pay for the spam, they have to take the blame.

You can't conclude that the reason why people spam is because they have multiple accounts. This is irrational and does not work like that. Your sense should tell you that there are people that are just lazy to type whether they are interested to create multiple accounts or not. Some few spammers that I know are not even in any signature campaign or whatsoever. At first you have to define what you meant by spam so that we can have a clear view of your perspectives about Spamming.
After that, we can move to the contention to truly know how to indicate and conclude that someone is spamming. Another thing I would like to ask you. Is spamming limited to people that are in signature campaign only or general?

You can’t put the blame on campaign managers. I have worked on many campaigns with different campaign managers and I can tell you that no CM wants a spammer on his team. I noticed CMs always take note of the quality of participants before acceptance and during their time in the campaign. Reputable CMs do not reward low quality posts, they do not count them as eligible and will leave a side note on the spreadsheet to let you know you need to improve your post quality.

Competition for signature positions is tight and CMs only pick the best of the best. If you’re getting paid, it’s expected that you give your best. Of course there are certain campaigns that care about quantity more than quality. Most of the accounts who wear the signature & avatar of such campaigns are alt accounts or accounts that normally would not make it into a good campaign.

That's not just the reason why people spam in the forum because some people are posting in order to reach the required post count to be eligible to get paid even though they know that they are spamming and some are also not aware that they are spamming in the forum. Some people might say that those people who are spamming where their accounts are bought but not all spammers bought their account because some of them are starting from newbie rank although it was before the merit system is implemented. Before, people can create account and just post what they want until the activity count reached the required activity points needed to reach a certain rank but as you have know that this time merit is also needed to rank up.

Spamming has always been a red flag in the forum. People resort into spamming certainly because they're unaware that they're already spamming in the forum. They will only say they are only doing their part in the forum, without assessing their posts if they still have quality contents or they only fall into low quality posts that made them spammers in the forum.

While spamming is highly discouraged in the forum, but maybe it's easier being said than done since a lot of us still end up spamming without us knowing.

TBH I think spamming is mostly done by people who bought accounts while not knowing Bitcoin and cryptos very deeply. And unfortunately some bounty managers are not able to fill all the spots of their campaigns with quality members, so they accept sometimes people posting rather low quality posts. There are also people giving merits to their friends while knowing they don't deserve it. We have even seen posting farms from third world countries sadly. It leads to be unable to discuss with other people in some sections or to find interesting informations sadly.

How is it the worst requirement when we have users that are producing quality contributions but aren't getting merits. We have people that takes earning of merits as a duty but we also have those that don't put too much attention on receiving merits yet they're not spammers. Some accounts has earned merits more than those that are contributing positively to the forum but that doesn't mean they're more of a quality poster. Boards that you're active in has a big role in the amount of merits that you'll receive considering both accounts are on the same level of quality. Don't use merit to judge the quality of an account as those with less merits can be a more quality posters than those with merit especially in the recent 120days.


How does earning 20 merit in the last 120 days qualify you as a quality posters? Just because a user haven't earned merits doesn't warrant him to be kicked out of a campaign and I'm glad managers aren't actively implementing that strategy as it'll only bring chaos to the forum. People will start doing unethical things to meet the requirements. Your post quality should be judged by your actual post quality and not merits. A users can be a spammer yet drop one quality topic and get alot of merits, keeping that user in a campaign over the other quality users just because he has more merit won't be a fair criteria.

So, you mean all signature campaigns are the reason for the spam in the forum? According to what you have written above it means that all campaign manager encourage spam as they allow alts to be part of their campaign. According to your reasoning, the managers are just allowing such guys to earn and spam the forum without checking a user's way of writing, or timing of writing and they are unable to understand the writing pattern before selecting a user.

What I wrote is still debatable, but a manager can remove any participant from their campaign without giving any notice to them. According to your statement, they are not doing it as the signature campaign is the reason for spam here. Thanks for enlightening everyone with your valuable feedback. I guess the signature campaign manager for your campaign needs to look into such replies of yours. Your logic and your spam reply is an evidence of how users like you come up suddenly, join a campaign, and then start spamming the forum.

You asked the question and you answered it too. Yes, I have to agree that people have alt accounts and are enrolled in signature campaigns, which is the reason for generating spam. If you check the gambling section, where people write nonsense they are getting paid for it. Merit systems were introduced to reduce spam and it worked well. However, it is the signature campaign managers' duty they appoint for their signature campaign. I saw they hire members who have earned at least 5 merits in the last 120 days which I consider is the worst requirement.

Any member who is active in the forum should have earned at least 20 merits in the last 120 days. If they cannot, they should be kicked out. I see a lot of accounts who joined the campaign years ago and they have not earned much merit since then. But, they are still in the campaign. As long as they are on the campaign and getting paid for generating spam, they won't stop buddy! Managers could help a lot if they want.

If i am not mistaken there is a topic created to judge the overall performance of the system now that merits system has been introduced and people said it is more better now and the rate of spam has reduced, i don't know where OP got his spam post from and besides there is a section he can quickly report any post that he finds no efforts instead of saying that.. Okay how did he know about people having multiple account if i may ask? There have been a room for you to report post and believe me or not there are other members that report spam post or plagiarism content that is why you need to look into that section to know amount of people being reported on a regular basis due to spam post or plagiarized contents.

What causes spamming prior to the introduction of the merit system was because of people farming activities as they could rank up multiple accounts by just causing a nuisance on the forum but since the introduction of the merit system and activity only no longer improves your rank, the reason for spamming has changed, people spam because they want to meet weekly quota or they're hurting for merits. They think the more they write the greater their chances of getting merited as they have more contents out. People spam as a result of not understanding the discussion they're engaging with but just want to write something because their campaign say they should in order to get paid.


They can't do that in high paying campaign but only in bounties, if anybody is caught spamming, it's best they get reported to the campaign manager so they can get kicked out of the campaign for other people with better things to say to get a chance of earning while they contribute positively to the forum. The forum isn't against alts that aren't breaking any forum rules so let say you have multiple accounts and you can contribute to the forum without spamming, nobody will question you but if you're spamming with an excuse of having more than one account then you deserve to get both accounts tagged at least with a neutral to reduce your chances of getting accepted into a new campaign and disturbing the forum with your spams.

One fact about spamming is that some persons spam without even knowing that they are already spamming, I would rather you educate people on what spam post are and how they should avoid postings that could be considered spamming, especially newbies who are very eager to grow exponentially, they spamming sometimes without knowing and just so you know, a critical examination of spam post will prove that a good percentage of some post could fall into this category and some of the posters are not aware they are spam posters.

Having a pattern of posting and a deep knowledge of what you are posting about is a good way to avoiding your post been seen as spam post, if you can maintain your quality most often then you can be sure to a very good extent not to be a spammer, an educative thread on what a spam post is will help better.

Why you (OP) might have centered your research on the forum, it’s evident to know that, people spam not just because it’s something burn out of will but, to archive a purpose. That purpose directly or indirectly becomes the driving force.
Not all accounts on the forum are involved or n a signature campaign but still, you could find them spamming. Why?
The need to stay active becomes the driving force behind this but, be can stay active without spamming so, why then do they spam? It’s simple;
They spam because they’ve got no value to contribute but simply a need to stay active or archive a purpose. That shouldn’t be the case but, it’s often what we see around.

Some others aren’t just into writing or haven’t got the skills for articulation or coming up with some good literal piece but, being on an educative platform and the need go always put something out there, they just can’t help it.

While this might not be the better means to repose, you could always learn. Most big changes in life is acquired by learning. Give it some devotion and you just might be good.

Attention is being paid by forum members to those that are in signature campaigns than those that are not participating in any. Spamming is not only done by those in signature campaigns but can be done by anyone in the forum. Those in signature campaigns are often watched to avoid spamming by their managers or other members in the campaign that are aware that the user much meet a certain criteria before they can be paid out in their campaigns. So if you watch closely and decide to look out on spammers in the forum, you’ll catch more people that are not in any campaign spamming also. Some do it due to their nature and they just want to post even when they have nothing good to say about the topic.


Posting too quickly to meet the signature campaign requirements shouldn’t be considered as spamming when the post are on point and are passing a good message. Some users often spend more time on a particular post until they understand what the OP is saying before they will make comment on it while some people get a grasp of the topic very quickly and it tends to make them reply faster than others. Low quality post that is passing an information that is irrelevant to the topic of discussion should be more considered as spamming and not user posting more frequently should be seen as one. The brain works differently and people understand and respond to things faster than each other.

Most of the time we find that new users are the only spammers. And those new users may not know that doing these things will cause their accounts to face problems and their accounts may get banned. If they knew about such issues, then they would definitely stay away from spamming, and they would never post and spam forums using AI in various ways. Some people do, but they learn from that lesson in future and avoid such mistakes, and they don't plan to make such mistakes in future. Again some people come who do spam intentionally and their account face loss in future, and they fall into huge losses. That's why it's best for yourself and your account to stay away from this type of spamming.

There is really no genuine reason to spam in the forum, because we have numerous boards, therefore if a member can not actively perticipate in a topic, what the member has to do is try another topic or board. We have boards in the forum that discusses topics that are unrelated to crypto matters, so if a member is not knowledgeable about cryptocurrency, at least there must be a board in the forum that the member can relate to while waiting for a topic in Bitcoin or altcoins that they can make quality posts. So spamming in this forum that has thousands of topics to choose from is very unfair.