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OP, it’s good that you put the word "we" that is, you include yourself in the person who sends spam. That's right. When every person begins to understand this, firstly, he must start with himself. Turning to himself, “Why am I doing this? Am I in a hurry? I don’t know the topic they’re talking about, and therefore I’m in a hurry to at least insert my twenty cents?". After all, many topics on the forum appear day after day, and we still repeat and repeat the same thing.
Everyone must answer for themselves and not tell everyone what they need to do.
And if you are the OP and you suspect someone of alternative accounts, it’s easier to prove it and submit it for consideration than to torment yourself with guesses that have no weight behind them.

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Why do we spam?? Are you asking to know cause you feel spamming is a better option to gain recognition or what?.. I don't get..

Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

do we think that spamming have any important effects to our account or its something that is being done intentional or unintentional, do we think from the theory of personification

it's definitely done intentionally in most cases - any account that's tagged with spamming under proper scruntiny would definitely have a whole bunch of other accounts behind it...but, I was a bit lost here; what do you mean by the theory of personification?

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So I think that majorly the people that spam mostly is people that is controlling a numerous of account's and whenever they have a different account's they start writing a low quality post

I consider this particular post as nothing way better than what you decribed in the context; so can I safely ASSUME that you've got several accounts on board? Which could be the reason why you write post that are badly constructed, without any insight?? ....You don't just base your objections that way...

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There are different ways one can Spam and not only low quality post but in your thread you only talked about low quality post. One can Spam by repeating what others have said, and unnecessary posts. In most cases people spam unaware. What I mean by unaware is that, they don't know if their write up is spamming the board or the thread. There some threads that have or contain 100 lines or 500 characters yet it is a spam post therefore spam post is not necessarily that contains few characters. There are some post that have few characters but it is high quality.

Then another thing that can also cause spamming is from the campaign managers. The more they increased the number of posts in a week the more the quality reduce. And that doesn't necessarily because the person has two or more account. Remember most people are working in the real life in government or private businesses so they are always busy with business activities in real life so they only visit the forum when they chanced.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

From the beginning I was wondering why people spam and I have not find any reason, do we think that spamming have any important effects to our account or its something that is being done intentional or unintentional, do we think from the theory of personification what causes a spamming is when theirs a particular quota that we have to ascertain that make some of us to spam in order to complete our weekly quota or it's something that is being done willingly.

OP you asked a question and gave about two correct answers to the question. Some of the answers you gave for the reason for spamming are
1. to fulfill post quota especially for those in signature campaigns.
2. having more than one account which leads to a reduction of post quality.

Spamming could also be as result of a lack of knowledge and experience. Most people don't want to invest time in learning about Bitcoin and the forum so they end up posting off-point posts. I have seen some accounts that are not in any signature campaign. This might be the set of uninformed forum members.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

From the beginning I was wondering why people spam and I have not find any reason, do we think that spamming have any important effects to our account or its something that is being done intentional or unintentional, do we think from the theory of personification what causes a spamming is when theirs a particular quota that we have to ascertain that make some of us to spam in order to complete our weekly quota or it's something that is being done willingly.

Do you know that base on a research and observation in the forum I have not seen a clear advantage of spamming, and I have not seen any new accounts that is not in a signature campaign that is being tag because of spamming or have a challenge of spamming before why?

So I think that majorly the people that spam mostly is people that is controlling a numerous of account's and whenever they have a different account's they start writing a low quality post, I don't know if any one have observed that before, that what causes a low quality of posts and spamming might be due to alts, its better time to spread this information so that my own mates in the forum will not have same mindset of spamming and low writing style.

In fact, your claim will not be accepted well, there must be proof that confirms that the members who spam have multiple accounts. In fact, from what I've noticed, the members who often spam are members who really have the goal of polluting this forum, like they want to cheat or they have other agendas in this forum. but there are several sections that are allowed for spam posts there, that is the WO thread (if you don't believe it then look at that thread). In conclusion, spam is only allowed in certain sections or threads.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

So I think that majorly the people that spam mostly is people that is controlling a numerous of account's and whenever they have a different account's they start writing a low quality post, I don't know if any one have observed that before, that what causes a low quality of posts and spamming might be due to alts, its better time to spread this information so that my own mates in the forum will not have same mindset of spamming and low writing style.

You catch it right, it is one of the many reasons behind people doing spamming here on Bitcointalk. and you don't have to remain in doubt because many cases have been reported before and spamming was the main reason which have helped spam busters to catch them. For example, the writing style, the usage of AI which gives some words or group of words in a pattern that is being used at more than one accounts which indicates that the owner of these two posts might be the same. Doubt like these should not meant to be hundred percent real.

Many people have created alternative accounts and tried to do there hard to accept in a campaign and when they selects in one they just try to make posts to fulfill there quota and to do that they make irrelevant posts, or AI generated posts etc.

But this is not the only reason behind spamming, many people don't know the rules of this forum and have been caught using single line or single word posts and have given the tag of spamming the forum, and there are those who are only making irrelevant posts or trying phishing attacks on newbies just to earn extra bucks.

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OP's question misses the mark. Spam's been around as long as folks have been talking on the net. Spammers will keep on spamming no matter what - and there's nothing can make them quit completely, except maybe making it a pain for them to keep going and best thing is just tap "Report to moderator" and leave it to mods.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on December 13, 2023, 03:24:34 PM

Mods rarely if ever delete one-liners, posts that add nothing to the conversation or posts with grammar so poor that they are incomprehensible. So many users have given up on reporting anything that is not advertisement spam with links or completely off-topic.

I think that the status of our reports depends on at least two factors, the first of which is our assessment of whether something is spam, and the way we report it. The post can be reported as spam, signature spam, low value post, repetitive content - and it is always necessary to provide as much information (links) as possible in the report. Another thing we have to keep in mind is the fact that not all mods have the same opinion about the same thing, which means that some will delete a reported post, while others may mark it as a "bad report".

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on December 13, 2023, 03:24:34 PM

And you are right, the motivation behind spam doesn't matter, because we can't change it. Strict moderation is the only solution - those who would get banned once or twice would be more careful or would just leave the forum.

I agree, from personal experience I can say that week after week I report posts by the same members who spam one and the same thing, and they are still active, which is definitely something that should not be allowed. Such things can definitely be very discouraging for all those who want to do something good for the forum, so it can seem to them that they are really just wasting their time.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

So I think that majorly the people that spam mostly is people that is controlling a numerous of account's and whenever they have a different account's they start writing a low quality post, I don't know if any one have observed that before, that what causes a low quality of posts and spamming might be due to alts, its better time to spread this information so that my own mates in the forum will not have same mindset of spamming and low writing style.

You have to show proof that is the case, you're just speculating you're using the word might, there could be a case like that, but there's also a case of one account who failed to read the rules or does not know the word spam because it's his first time posting in a forum, I'm not taking a side. but if you do not want not to spam the forum take some time to read the flow of the conversion so you'll have an idea of what to post, or better if you do not fully understand the topic just skip.
Spam happens because of a lack of understanding about the discussion, more newbies are guilty of spam here.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

From the beginning I was wondering why people spam and I have not find any reason, do we think that spamming have any important effects to our account or its something that is being done intentional or unintentional, do we think from the theory of personification what causes a spamming is when theirs a particular quota that we have to ascertain that make some of us to spam in order to complete our weekly quota or it's something that is being done willingly.

Do you know that base on a research and observation in the forum I have not seen a clear advantage of spamming, and I have not seen any new accounts that is not in a signature campaign that is being tag because of spamming or have a challenge of spamming before why?

So I think that majorly the people that spam mostly is people that is controlling a numerous of account's and whenever they have a different account's they start writing a low quality post, I don't know if any one have observed that before, that what causes a low quality of posts and spamming might be due to alts, its better time to spread this information so that my own mates in the forum will not have same mindset of spamming and low writing style.

if you are bother with spams on forum then you can simply click the report to moderator button then report and let the mod handle that issue if they gonna delete it or let those post stay. Also don't get bother with it since those people will gain mainly affected on what they are doing so focus on your own and create more quality post that them since it will give you a lot of advantage since if your post is worth to read then you provably go rank up first than those people who spam in forum.

Also you don't need to stress yourself for speculating about that or any scenario that came up on your mind since if you are suspected that person is doing that because of the reason you have mentioned then you have those threads tackling those issue and maybe its good to discuss all of that matter on the right threads.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

I don't know if any one have observed that before, that what causes a low quality of posts and spamming might be due to alts, its better time to spread this information so that my own mates in the forum will not have same mindset of spamming and low writing style.

Even if you have one account you're still going to spam or break the forum rules I have seen countless newbies' useless posts here and posting successive posts or posting malware and plagiarism, if these are alt they know that they can get their account banned, we cannot conclude that because you have an alt account you will spam the forum, its on the posters, and not on circumstances.
Spam happens because the poster is in a hurry to make a post without fully understanding the discussions because of this he is off-topic, and he is not reading all the other replies so his post becomes irrelevant to the topic.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

From the beginning I was wondering why people spam and I have not find any reason, do we think that spamming have any important effects to our account or its something that is being done intentional or unintentional, do we think from the theory of personification what causes a spamming is when theirs a particular quota that we have to ascertain that make some of us to spam in order to complete our weekly quota or it's something that is being done willingly.

Spamming means a lot of things and I think it's done intentionally. the forum is a place to interact and share ideas bit when it becomes a plan where people want to do what they like because of the privilege they get, then it becomes so annoying. Like you will see a newbie that is supposed to learn rules, focus on ranking start doing a line of posts and do that frequently just to get people attentions or trill just because he/she thinks the forum has lots of traffic. You will see many of them posts referral links and back links to get traffics to other websites.

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Do you know that base on a research and observation in the forum I have not seen a clear advantage of spamming, and I have not seen any new accounts that is not in a signature campaign that is being tag because of spamming or have a challenge of spamming before why?

So I think that majorly the people that spam mostly is people that is controlling a numerous of account's and whenever they have a different account's they start writing a low quality post, I don't know if any one have observed that before, that what causes a low quality of posts and spamming might be due to alts, its better time to spread this information so that my own mates in the forum will not have same mindset of spamming and low writing style.

The forum has thousands people coming here, most of the time I think people spam to get others attention to do something like maybe begging since it's a bitcoin forum and money are been discussed, go to the Bounty board where people are paid penny to shit posts, they will do that to suit there agenda for small money that can't do subscribe to any cable.

It's because you are focus on ranking, from the rank you will understand when an account is spamming or making an engagement in the Forum. We have plenty of some newbies and from their interactions you will know their worth even without ranking up.

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People spam for several reasons and some of them are facilitated by the forum.

When a thread has past 15 pages and obvious everything reasonable has been discussed. That is there is no new perspective on it but the thread remains open. This will encourage spamming.

Signature campaign post requirements which includes bonus pay for extra posts also leads to spamming. Therefore even when you do not want to do it consciously, it is done unintentionally.

Newbies spam unintentionally.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 13, 2023, 06:24:08 AM

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Why do we spam

Does it matter at all? The more important question for me is "why do most forum members not respond to spam?" If everyone were to report at least 5 posts they consider spam every day, it would quickly become clear to most spammers that such a method of communication is not worth it.

Mods rarely if ever delete one-liners, posts that add nothing to the conversation or posts with grammar so poor that they are incomprehensible. So many users have given up on reporting anything that is not advertisement spam with links or completely off-topic.

And you are right, the motivation behind spam doesn't matter, because we can't change it. Strict moderation is the only solution - those who would get banned once or twice would be more careful or would just leave the forum.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

From the beginning I was wondering why people spam and I have not find any reason, do we think that spamming have any important effects to our account or its something that is being done intentional or unintentional, do we think from the theory of personification what causes a spamming is when theirs a particular quota that we have to ascertain that make some of us to spam in order to complete our weekly quota or it's something that is being done willingly.

Hmm, OP I'm not sure about the context of inspiration to discuss this topic but I would like to say that most spamming happens in informational topics because some repetitive content exchange or being in discussion makes it look like spamming, TBH yes people do prefer filling the weekly quota somehow, but the natural content can be identified with the pattern of writing.

A natural poster never posts the shity, step-to-step procedural information, he always prefers to guide with his experiences, quoting past events, engaging the discussion mostly. On my end, I try to put forward my view first on any topic, I use some informal sentences as well to engage someone in the discussion, Haha, I know the motive of the topic is to discuss spamming not praising ourselves, but removing ( I & A ) from above can convert it into how to avoid spamming.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

So I think that majorly the people that spam mostly is people that is controlling a numerous of account's

Once a person nake a post that is off topic or contains nothing to learn or figure out about, that post should be regarded as spamming, posting indescriminately is termed spamming as well.

Spammers don't have time to control alt accounts, some don't even realized that they are spamming, what they do is the reflection of the way they use their normal daily lives.

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Just click "Report to moderator" and move on. Spammers will always spam and there isn't anything anyone can do. There is no "why do people do this", "why do people do that". They just do. This forum believes in free speech and as long as the privilege to write anything (according to rules) is given to the users, spammers will continue spamming. It's like smoking knowing it causes cancer. So rather than asking "why" we should start reporting spams. If you report a decent amount of spams, I can't remember exactly, 350-400 reports maybe, you'll get a statistics where it shows how many of your reports were good, bad or unhandled.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on December 13, 2023, 04:37:30 AM

From the beginning I was wondering why people spam and I have not find any reason, do we think that spamming have any important effects to our account or its something that is being done intentional or unintentional, do we think from the theory of personification what causes a spamming is when theirs a particular quota that we have to ascertain that make some of us to spam in order to complete our weekly quota or it's something that is being done willingly.

Spamming is mainly done by most users without realizing it. Because they don't know enough about this forum, the posts they make have the appearance of spamming. Others post too quickly to meet the signature requirement, which is considered spamming. Spammers don't care if their posts are spamming. Again there are some users who keep spamming to down this forum. So everyone's reason for spamming is not always the same

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There are two aspects when you are questioning the 'Why?',
First is the Motivation, people who just spamming on their post do that to increase their activity count and finally rank-up, (hoping they will get some merits by spamming, which is almost impossible). Now, this motivation seems just like everyone motivation in this forum, to rank up, but then there is the second aspect Reason, tho everyone is motivated to rank up, not everyone want/could do the effort, some are just blatantly lazy and posting spam because they simply don't wan't put some thought or research, the other reason is not every is good enough to deliver their thought into writing form, or most of they time they just have language barrier because English is not their first language.

If one of those aspects is not occur in someone minds then they won't be spamming, if they don't have motivation to rank up they won't just spamming, they will still post some weird stuff but it won't be as much as if they are spamming. If they are motivated to rank up, but they aren't lazy even though they have language barrier, they will learn to overcome any obstacle to finally reach the level when they aren't spamming anymore.

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Spamming is not done by only forum members in signature campaign but also newbies who want to comment on topics that they have no idea on, because they want to be noticed. It is better that you don't comment on discussion that you have no idea on and let go of it. Sometimes it is better read than post.

Spamming is also done to farm merits, but the one that baffles me most are those members with different alts that spam, if they can't make quality post with those alts, it means that they are not qualified to have an alt, so they should only stick to one account to bring out the best in them.

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