Why do you browse the forum without notification?

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Quote from: rby on June 19, 2023, 02:56:07 PM

How do people that doesn't use quotes or mentions notification bots browse this forum? I mean, it is wrong and does not promote healthy discussion. I am a user who is always not excited by whatever is in the opening topic (OP). I rather go through the flowing conversation to see who holds opposite opinion with me, then I will go in for some kind of debate in order to come out of the conversation more informed. Although this has its backlash, some merits sources will not hand out merits to you if you challenge their opinions, that is why some users prefer to lick the ass of others maybe to be in their good book for merits._{Pardon me for a slight off topic}

It's sometimes hurting when you quote or mention someone with the mind to further engage in conversation with the person, but the fellow might never return again to the thread. Could it be these set of users that Royse777 and Hhampuz complain that they use the forum in a wrong way or they post for weekly pay.

If you use notification bots, it will not be difficult to complete and exceed your weekly post quota. There will also not be a slight room for AI usage. If you engage in meaningful conversation in upto three threads, it is possible you can make even more than 10 posts a day and also will be learning new things.
People who doesn't use any of these notification bots should try and activate one to promote quality and meaningful discussion in the forum.

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I like your style to stir the pot! It does help the discussion move along and progress. Those notification bots are very interesting and I can see them being extremely helpful down the line. I could definitely use it!!! I find it very hard to keep track of everything having to go back and forth on this thread and that thread, and think a more streamlined approach would definitely help. I will check those bots out Cheesy

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Quote from: rby on June 25, 2023, 02:53:01 PM

Quote from: _BlackStar on June 24, 2023, 03:13:33 PM

So far, bot notification are much more useful than email notification for certain things like merit, mention and quote etc. But email notification also have their uses even when you can't trust bots such as message notification, email change, and password change etc. But of course it would be great if the forum also had more complete notification like it has been possible with bots so far.

Bot notification is more convenient and safe than email notification.

I can confirm that too - but I haven't tried it so far.
I tend to look back at my own post history and find anyone manually citing my post. There are probably a few I would have missed if they weren't so important - but bot can save me a lot of time.

Quote from: rby on June 25, 2023, 02:53:01 PM

I cannot imagine spamming my email with any mention of my username. I don't visit my email often and I don't subscribe to third party newsletter. So, when a mail drops in my box, I know it is for work or other official messages that needs attention and not a forum mention by a random user.
I even want to stop the default pm notification through email.

I don't have any notifications enabled that let me receive email from forums - in fact I rarely even check how many emails are filling up my inbox over a long period of time. Plus my account email is custom built and I only use it on forums - not on other platforms which would prevent me from getting a lot of newsletters.

I understand, right now bots have been helping forum users get quick notifications regardless of how many notifications they allow - so might try that soon too.

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Quote from: rby on June 25, 2023, 02:53:01 PM

Quote from: _BlackStar on June 24, 2023, 03:13:33 PM

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Bot notification is more convenient and safe than email notification. I cannot imagine spamming my email with any mention of my username. I don't visit my email often and I don't subscribe to third party newsletter. So, when a mail drops in my box, I know it is for work or other official messages that needs attention and not a forum mention by a random user.
I even want to stop the default pm notification through email.

I also used notification bots a long time ago and still use them today. I got a notification and it will be easier for me to respond quickly. If I'm currently inactive, then I'll get it back the next day. While email notifications are very limited in terms of their functionality, in some ways I agree with _BlackStar.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on June 24, 2023, 03:13:33 PM

Quote from: yhiaali3 on June 24, 2023, 11:59:45 AM

There are email notifications as well, but they are general and not customized. I hope that there will be notifications within the same account in the forum instead of using the bot.

So far, bot notification are much more useful than email notification for certain things like merit, mention and quote etc. But email notification also have their uses even when you can't trust bots such as message notification, email change, and password change etc. But of course it would be great if the forum also had more complete notification like it has been possible with bots so far.

Bot notification is more convenient and safe than email notification. I cannot imagine spamming my email with any mention of my username. I don't visit my email often and I don't subscribe to third party newsletter. So, when a mail drops in my box, I know it is for work or other official messages that needs attention and not a forum mention by a random user.
I even want to stop the default pm notification through email.

Then, I do not think that merit notification is necessary. I can always login and see who dropped me merits or messages. But incase someone mentions me in an ongoing conversation or a different board I didn't visit, that's why I activated a bot notification.

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Quote from: rby on June 19, 2023, 02:56:07 PM

How do people that doesn't use quotes or mentions notification bots browse this forum? I mean, it is wrong and does not promote healthy discussion.

If you use notification bots, it will not be difficult to complete and exceed your weekly post quota. There will also not be a slight room for AI usage. If you engage in meaningful conversation in upto three threads, it is possible you can make even more than 10 posts a day and also will be learning new things.
People who doesn't use any of these notification bots should try and activate one to promote quality and meaningful discussion in the forum.

It's not easy scrolling up and down repeatedly on a daily through the pages of threads you have made a comment on just to check if just maybe someone has mentioned or quoted your comment and it needs you to give an answer to it as a way of making the conversation lively and meaningful.
Later on I discovered the notification button and made sure I click on it in any thread I have just finished making a comment. And I always receive notification messages on my email for new contributions made by others in those threads.

However the bot notification is much advance as it transient beyond just quotes and mention notifications but with merits too. And I just pick interest in using now knowing about it.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on June 24, 2023, 11:59:45 AM

There are email notifications as well, but they are general and not customized. I hope that there will be notifications within the same account in the forum instead of using the bot.

So far, bot notification are much more useful than email notification for certain things like merit, mention and quote etc. But email notification also have their uses even when you can't trust bots such as message notification, email change, and password change etc. But of course it would be great if the forum also had more complete notification like it has been possible with bots so far.

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Quote from: rby on June 19, 2023, 02:56:07 PM

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I use this bot to get notifications.

I think it's enough for me for now, as it gives you a notification when you get a merit or if a member mentions you or quotes your post.

I follow the notifications on the bot daily to see if there is any quote or mention in the thread in which I wrote to know if a member has a different opinion or has a question. This is very necessary for a proper discussion and full coverage of the topic.

There are email notifications as well, but they are general and not customized. I hope that there will be notifications within the same account in the forum instead of using the bot.[/list]

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This is well written and it's going to make conversation to be more interesting and length because we could feel we want to pass information to any person that is having a contrary view to what you think does not worth it. This is one of the smart ways to keep conversation flowing without knowing that you have written more than the weekly posts that we are supposed to write. This is a quick way for us to get ourselves accustom to the community and share our opinions and views about what we feel about something. Op had pointed some of the ways we can keep ourselves busy in the forum by making interactions with others.

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I use the Telegram Bot Notification, and it's very useful if you are an active poster, but I am not always an active poster. Like one or two weeks I actively post, and then the next couple weeks I will just be a silent reader, mainly because I am not always up for discussion, just observing what is happening in the forum. So to answer your question, not everyone is up for discussion some of us just want to get some news of the forum (and crypto in general), thats why we just browse the forum.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 23, 2023, 09:22:48 AM

However, most of the discussion here is just answers. After answering they never gave follow up questions. so that most of the discussion becomes stuck. Besides, if we discuss for too long it will go off topic, and that is something that is forbidden here. In my opinion, if the discussion heats up, it will definitely go everywhere and end up being OOT, and later it will return to the main topic. but that can't happen here, maybe it would be more fun if we had a long and heated discussion.

Those long and heated discussions only happen in drama threads - but on a quality topic, I found them very structured and well-moderated. Even so you'll find fewer users discussing technical threads where experts represent knowledge - but you'll probably get a lot of general threads that grab a lot of user attention.

But sure - all users have different interests in this forum. Many users are not interested in technical discussions because they lack knowledge - while they tend to interested towards general discussions that can help them express their opinion.

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Quote from: rby on June 19, 2023, 02:56:07 PM

How do people that doesn't use quotes or mentions notification bots browse this forum? I mean, it is wrong and does not promote healthy discussion. I am a user who is always not excited by whatever is in the opening topic (OP). I rather go through the flowing conversation to see who holds opposite opinion with me, then I will go in for some kind of debate in order to come out of the conversation more informed.

I haven't used any of the notifications on this forum, but I don't think it's too difficult. I always open my watchlist when browsing these forums. I did it several times, and it worked fine. I'll check the comments below mine and I'll reply if the discussion does require an answer.

However, most of the discussion here is just answers. After answering they never gave follow up questions. so that most of the discussion becomes stuck. Besides, if we discuss for too long it will go off topic, and that is something that is forbidden here. In my opinion, if the discussion heats up, it will definitely go everywhere and end up being OOT, and later it will return to the main topic. but that can't happen here, maybe it would be more fun if we had a long and heated discussion.

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Quote from: rby on June 19, 2023, 02:56:07 PM

How do people that doesn't use quotes or mentions notification bots browse this forum?

at start i was unaware of telegram bot but i maintained discussion. for this purpose i was to go each thread manually where i posted which was more time wasted then one member in our local board introduced telegram bot and now Its very easy easy for me to continue my discussion. now it is same like message chat.

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I mean, it is wrong and does not promote healthy discussion.

Yes many member doing the same( just one reply to OP post and then no other reply). if you see altcoins discussion, you will find dozen of users there and the most worst is that you will find some user replying OP post created in 2021 or before (i mean that not looking for last discussion continues on thread)

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Quote from: rby on June 19, 2023, 02:56:07 PM

How do people that doesn't use quotes or mentions notification bots browse this forum?

I don't use any notification bot or tools available by the users. I don't feel like to use one too. There are many boards in my ignore list, it filters my visibility of the forum boards. When you don't have many boards to visit, your eyes are more focused, and you know where your interest is. Sometimes I use the forum search feature and it's more than enough for me.

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Some topics and open messages do not necessitate argumentation, and a few posts may directly answer the question(s) before the thread is closed. I find the OP's activities commendable and appreciate their valuable contributions to the forum. However, the OP also mentioned that not all significant posts are acknowledged. I'm unsure about the meaning of the OP's statement regarding not reading the open message while still contributing to the thread.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 22, 2023, 12:02:27 AM

I still wonder what happened to Piggy. It reminds me: maybe @TryNinja can add a PM feature to his bot?

IIRC Piggy (or someone) mentioned that theymos was not a fan of the flood of PMs the bot was creating. A built-in forum feature could mitigate that by e.g. automatically deleting the notifications after N days or just rolling it into the watchlist somehow.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 21, 2023, 06:38:48 PM

I doubt that being mentioned somewhere and rushing to respond to some likely dipshit troll making ridiculous accusations is healthy at all.

That's why I have a healthy ignore list.

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Anyways, I used one of the early bots that sent PMs. It was fantastic.

I still wonder what happened to Piggy. It reminds me: maybe @TryNinja can add a PM feature to his bot?

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Having to use telegram or a third party site is enough of a hassle for me that I just don't see enough value in it to justify that. I can use forum search for my username if I was so vanity-inclined.

I must say I like seeing when I'm mentioned on some local board I can't read Cheesy

I wouldn't see it by just reading the forum.

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Quote from: rby on June 19, 2023, 02:56:07 PM

How do people that doesn't use quotes or mentions notification bots browse this forum? I mean, it is wrong and does not promote healthy discussion.

I doubt that being mentioned somewhere and rushing to respond to some likely dipshit troll making ridiculous accusations is healthy at all.

Anyways, I used one of the early bots that sent PMs. It was fantastic. Having to use telegram or a third party site is enough of a hassle for me that I just don't see enough value in it to justify that. I can use forum search for my username if I was so vanity-inclined. Other than that, if someone really wants my attention they can PM me.

The forum works just fine without notifications. Go to the board of your choice, read the threads that seem interesting to you, and respond if you have anything to say. Put the thread in your watchlist (forum can do that automatically too) if you want to follow that discussion.

Having said that, a built-in notification function would be quite nice to have. Perhaps someone could do a patch for theymos. Doesn't seem like it would be too complicated. Forum search is halfway there already. Make some improvements to handle weird characters in usernames, actual notifications via PM/e-mail/definitely not telegram, maybe some AI GPT robot overlord to filter out common words (j/k).

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I don't use the notification bot not for any reason, but because I know how to get back to my responses, which I think would get a quote from other users. I go to my profile and click the button "show the last posts of this person" there I can go back to trace my comments if anyone joined my argument. Although, I don't do it for all my responses, yet it seems like I've mastered a way of knowing any of my response that is likely to get quoted by members. The forum can be boring if I don't visit threads that I've commented on, just like Op said, it shows I know about the topic and can contribute further if a person doesn't understand or agree with what I wrote.

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Quote from: rby on June 21, 2023, 12:35:07 PM

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I have thought I was saying offpoint until I saw this. Thanks LoyceV for this quote. Even theymos figure out how surprising it is that some users browse the forum without a notifier.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 21, 2023, 12:31:16 PM

It wasn't very intuitive to use, until I read this:

Quote from: theymos on November 01, 2012, 02:41:09 PM

I don't understand why anyone would not use the watchlist. You can configure the watchlist to be exactly the same as "show new replies to your posts" by configuring your posts to be auto-watched and adding your posted-in topics to your watchlist. After this is done, you can unwatch topics that you don't want to see.

I've always had it set up like this. And in more important topics, I have the email notification. So I don't miss anything.

I use notification bots more, just to be aware of the merits I receive (to understand where they are given from) and posts that "call" for me, and thus be able to respond. Otherwise I do everything with the "watchlist".

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Quote from: hugeblack on June 21, 2023, 10:45:54 AM

The way the details are listed indicates someone begging for merits who trying to get more Merits to join signature campaigns.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on June 21, 2023, 04:20:06 AM

You can browse the forum and see the threads you have replied in pretty easily. You can also go to your post history and see where you have replied and go read replies after your post. Bots are convenient for sure, but a person can get by without it.

Quote from: Rikafip on June 21, 2023, 11:08:21 AM

and I had no issues engaging in discussions, or tracking answers to my replies.

Before I started using notification bolts, I didn't find it difficult browsing the forum because I was concentrated in one aspect of the forum. But joining discussions in different boards made me look into the notification bots way.

When you were not using bots, if someone mentions Rikafip or yahoo62278 in a thread you have not posted on(you are not watching) do you get notified with the forum default notification system?

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I have thought I was saying offpoint until I saw this. Thanks LoyceV for this quote. Even theymos figure out how surprising it is that some users browse the forum without a notifier.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 21, 2023, 12:31:16 PM

It wasn't very intuitive to use, until I read this:

Quote from: theymos on November 01, 2012, 02:41:09 PM

I don't understand why anyone would not use the watchlist. You can configure the watchlist to be exactly the same as "show new replies to your posts" by configuring your posts to be auto-watched and adding your posted-in topics to your watchlist. After this is done, you can unwatch topics that you don't want to see.

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