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February 16, 2024, 03:53:23 PM
Yeah, if the laws are from the state then there's no way that we can alter it and if it will be, there's a due process for it to go on.
Whilst for the laws from the churches, they can make changes anytime they wish as long as their council agrees with that and the process won't be that long.
That's why to whatever perspective you are looking that, IMHO, the important thing is you gamble your own money and you control your own life.

It depends on the religion and government/constitution you take as example for it, there are religions and branches of religions which are pretty much inflexible to the changes of their doctrines, not matter what the councils say. For example, lately the Roman Catholic Church has been more flexible to people who identify themselves as part of the LGBTQ collective, but Jehová Witnesses do not agree with it and continue to be pretty much against the existence of homosexual marriage, adoption or the existence of rights of the homosexual people in society. On the other hand, there are countries where it is pretty much easy to change civil laws, as long as there is enough support from the people to pressure lawmakers to do so.
It would be easy to lax even further tax on gambling earnings on the United States than convincing people within the Ismalic world about the individual freedom we all have and having them to gamble with no problem on their believes.
Religion is very difficult to deal with and can be very inflexible, specially Islam, people of that religion take the words of the Koran to the letter, literally and some who have been radical from their childhood would never gamble and would even condemn anyone in their family if ever caught gambling, it is different in Christianity. In Christianity is possible to even an adulterer to be given forgiveness.
I agree about those church that don't change a lot with their laws and even there's a council or there's the consensus for that change, it won't be that easy.
But those are like a few that have been established for so long and that's why no matter what changes they wanna do like allowing to gamble for just some few amounts, it won't be changed.
Still, it's on the people whether to take on those laws seriously if they're devoted but of course about the government laws, they should be devoted on it at all times.
Whether its literal a government law or church law or rules then it wont really be an assurance that people would really be following up these things on which they would really be that playing no matter
what and this is would really be according into their own interest and preference on which we do know that this is something that will really be that depending on a certain person.
No one could really be able to stop those people on dealing up with something even if its prohibited or not really that allowed, as long they could be able to see those things or paths
then this is where people would really be playing no matter what. Neither it could be sin or unlawful or whatsoever then they dont really care about it.
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February 16, 2024, 03:43:49 PM
Yeah, if the laws are from the state then there's no way that we can alter it and if it will be, there's a due process for it to go on.
Whilst for the laws from the churches, they can make changes anytime they wish as long as their council agrees with that and the process won't be that long.
That's why to whatever perspective you are looking that, IMHO, the important thing is you gamble your own money and you control your own life.

It depends on the religion and government/constitution you take as example for it, there are religions and branches of religions which are pretty much inflexible to the changes of their doctrines, not matter what the councils say. For example, lately the Roman Catholic Church has been more flexible to people who identify themselves as part of the LGBTQ collective, but Jehová Witnesses do not agree with it and continue to be pretty much against the existence of homosexual marriage, adoption or the existence of rights of the homosexual people in society. On the other hand, there are countries where it is pretty much easy to change civil laws, as long as there is enough support from the people to pressure lawmakers to do so.
It would be easy to lax even further tax on gambling earnings on the United States than convincing people within the Ismalic world about the individual freedom we all have and having them to gamble with no problem on their believes.
Religion is very difficult to deal with and can be very inflexible, specially Islam, people of that religion take the words of the Koran to the letter, literally and some who have been radical from their childhood would never gamble and would even condemn anyone in their family if ever caught gambling, it is different in Christianity. In Christianity is possible to even an adulterer to be given forgiveness.
I agree about those church that don't change a lot with their laws and even there's a council or there's the consensus for that change, it won't be that easy.
But those are like a few that have been established for so long and that's why no matter what changes they wanna do like allowing to gamble for just some few amounts, it won't be changed.
Still, it's on the people whether to take on those laws seriously if they're devoted but of course about the government laws, they should be devoted on it at all times.
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February 16, 2024, 02:29:35 AM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?

Is this a rhetorical question? All bad habits are forbidden by most religions around the world. Giving loans is also forbidden by Islam(but Islamic banking still exists). Borrowing money and giving loans was also forbidden by the Christian church in the medieval ages, but the Christian world became secular and more liberal. Gambling is forbidden, because is leads to greed(which is a big sin) and it can ruin your financial situation(and the situation of your family). All big religions usually have a negative view on money and everything closely related to money.
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February 16, 2024, 02:21:40 AM
Gambling is prohibited in religion because it can make people forget to do other things. This has happened a lot and many people even gamble excessively, losing a lot of money and not meeting their daily needs, even though gambling is just to have fun for a while in between their busy schedules and to forget the tension of doing routine activities. But the large number of people who use gambling excessively makes them lose self-control and it has exceeded the limit so that religion prohibits gambling. Anything excessive is certainly not recommended, so if someone wants to gamble even though it is prohibited in their religion, they should consider it before deciding. This depends on each person because even though religion has prohibited it, there are still many people who continue to gamble for the reason of seeking pleasure from gambling. That is their desire and they should understand the risks of gambling apart from being prohibited in their religion.
This is a good read about into those known religions views about gambling some do accept and reconsider it and some of them totally prohibits it.

Leader of Conservative Judaism in the UK, Rabbi Louis Jacobs, stated that playing cards, betting on horses and taking part in games of pure chance are accepted in Judaism as long as people are careful and responsible.
https://onlinebingo.co.uk/news/what-religion-says-about-gambling

In the end of the day it would really be still that depending on someones choice and control whether they would be pursuing it or let it pass.
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February 16, 2024, 02:14:59 AM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?
I'm yet to see a religion amongst that which I already know who will permit the act of gambling because there's generally a stereo type against gambling that has never made it presentable to these religions and they have also got a reason and religious disapproval on these gambling activities. One of the reasons some of this religion especially Islam and Christianity do not agree and permit gambling is the fact that it's a get rich quick scheme and does not support hard work neither does it support discipline in the gamblers.

There are a few magicians and soothe sayers who predict games for gambling but still don't seem to be in support nor against gambling and I don't know to call them a religion or not because they also have something they worship just other relegions.
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February 16, 2024, 02:04:38 AM
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
For me I don't really see anything wrong in gambling as a Christian , thesame thing is applicable to alcohol too. one thing I observed about Christian is that,  Christian prohibited gambling, is not because gambling is bad. But gambling exposes Christians  to more unfavourable place for the Christians which can Leed to doing unlawfully or unreligious things that can tanish your image or reputation.

Another reason why Christians don't encourage drinking of alcohol is, because of the bad influence, it can creat in someone's life . Like now a Christian gambling frequently may later turns to am addict, which can be a bad influence against their preachings or other members. Or do things they where not meant to do.  and it can Leed to sin against believe. So it's depends individual on individual though.
In fact, gambling is just a game to have fun, because gambling uses money, this is what causes some religions to prohibit it because it is not profitable for the user, but if you play without money then it will not be a problem because it is not detrimental to the user. But what is called business is still a casino business created because the business is promising so even though every religion strictly prohibits gambling in fact there are still many who gamble as long as they don't do things that are out of control. Then it doesn't matter to them people like this are usually people who don't worship their religio so just ignore it and keep gambling.

As you said in the bottom sentence itself, this all depends on the individual because not all gamblers will experience addiction and not all addicted people do things that are out of control, and if they abuse gambling they become uncontrollable, but if it is in a reasonable portion then gambling will be considered a game that is not too bad for society or religion.
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February 16, 2024, 12:35:40 AM
Gambling is prohibited in religion because it can make people forget to do other things. This has happened a lot and many people even gamble excessively, losing a lot of money and not meeting their daily needs, even though gambling is just to have fun for a while in between their busy schedules and to forget the tension of doing routine activities. But the large number of people who use gambling excessively makes them lose self-control and it has exceeded the limit so that religion prohibits gambling. Anything excessive is certainly not recommended, so if someone wants to gamble even though it is prohibited in their religion, they should consider it before deciding. This depends on each person because even though religion has prohibited it, there are still many people who continue to gamble for the reason of seeking pleasure from gambling. That is their desire and they should understand the risks of gambling apart from being prohibited in their religion.
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February 16, 2024, 12:35:08 AM
In Indonesia, as a country that is mostly Muslim. Every adherent of Islam is ordered to follow the Islamic Sharia in finding income, namely by means and a good way. Gambling will make someone only rely on good luck, coincidence and empty dreams. Therefore, gamblers do not want to work hard to get good and halal income.
The position of human property in Islam is something honored. It is forbidden to take arbitrary mena, except in a way that has been prescribed in the form of voluntary giving. Gambling is an act of betting some money or something that is considered valuable. People who win get their money bets, in other words fighting or profit. Gambling is an activity with unexpected results before and the law is prohibited in Islam. God forbids His faith servants to do the act of drinking alcohol and gambling drinks. This is contained in the Qur'an Surah Al Maidah verse 90 which reads "O people who believe, actually drink kahmr (alcohol), gambling, idols, drawing fate with arrows is a heinous acts including demon. so you get luck "
In the verse it is stated that the behavior of gambling and drinking alcohol is a demonic deed. This means that such activities must be avoided. If you do that, you will not get a blessing from God and kept away from luck.
In Islam, gambling is a disgusting act, gambling can cause quarrels and hostility, gambling also reduces the enthusiasm of work because of getting money instantly.
Because humans are given the ability by God to take the way to work and slam bone so that they can get some of the pleasure of the world and the comfort of life. Whereas gambling is not an effort that brings income by way of work relationships but the nature of guessing suspects, even fantasizing that is not clear. People who do gambling are in two opportunities, namely winning or losing. If he wins he will be more arrogant in obtaining his wealth, whereas if you lose he will return in gambling with the aim of withdrawing the money that has been lost. So with that it continues to happen, people will be busy doing gambling and can even leave their obligations to work. If the gambler is a rich man, while he accepts his defeat he will have the opportunity to fall, turn poor or the condition in which he is frustrated and loses his mind. Not infrequently also from gambling perpetrators are people who have jobs and used to get money/salaries they get. If he already has a family, he has the obligation to provide a halal living to meet the needs of his family. If the wages during his work are used for gambling, then his family will be threatened with being abandoned because it is not fulfilled. Because someone who has been addicted to gambling, he will continue to try to have enough funds to gamble. It could be that he can justify any means to gamble. Therefore, accumulate behavior that violates Islamic Sharia.
What I said above is a variety of wisdom and reasons that can be understood from why gambling is forbidden in Islam.
Hopefully my explanation can be understood by all friends  Wink
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February 15, 2024, 11:03:14 PM
There are many religions that gambling is forbidden cause they believe that once their members is involved in gambling then there's a chance that they will not go to church anymore cause they will get addicted to gambling and also it will affect the relationship of their respective families cause there's a chance that the gambler cannot control himself and lead into misunderstanding and say bad words that can affect their families. But not just gambling also alcohol some religion forbidden alcohol cause it will affect same as gambling.

Lol, that's the first time I've heard such an explanation, although on reflection it sounds plausible. It occurs to me that maybe they not only don't go to church if they get addicted to gambling, maybe if they have a big win they will devote themselves to enjoying earthly pleasures and forget about religion. In any case, religions usually prohibit what are known as vices, such as alcohol, as you say, everything that can make people deviate from the behavior considered morally upright.
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February 15, 2024, 10:59:05 PM
There are many religions that gambling is forbidden cause they believe that once their members is involved in gambling then there's a chance that they will not go to church anymore cause they will get addicted to gambling and also it will affect the relationship of their respective families cause there's a chance that the gambler cannot control himself and lead into misunderstanding and say bad words that can affect their families. But not just gambling also alcohol some religion forbidden alcohol cause it will affect same as gambling.
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February 15, 2024, 10:07:39 PM
You need to remember that it is not only in Islam that gambling is prohibited, in my religion it is also prohibited (Christianity), I do not condone gambling but nowadays everything we do now is to earn a living no matter what, in general we lie often, do you still do it? Yes, of course not, the same goes for gambling, friends
Even though gambling is prohibited in my religion I am involved in gambling now I want to get out of gambling. But I am addicted to gambling and now I can't quit gambling. But I don't want to go against my religion so I want to quit gambling.  .I don't know if I can quit gambling.Gambling I started gambling on the advice of my friend but then I didn't realize that gambling would cost me so much money.
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February 15, 2024, 06:44:49 PM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?

Gambling is popularly considered as not permissible by Islamic religion. Other religions apart from Islam have not prohibited gambling. Like Christianity, there’s no where in the scripture that says gambling is not allowed or forbidden by them but their religious leaders preach about the negative side of gambling and its addiction and the effect it will cause to them when they get into it seriously. If you are a true believer of what you worship, you’ll not be carried away by anything that will make you go against your religion, getting closer to your creator will be of more importance than any other thing at the time.

Firstly, the Islamic religion is the only sacred faith that forbids gambling by saying that it destroys the individual and the family and is a cause of disasters that can happen to the individual at all levels. But it must always be pointed out that Islam, or any of the beliefs that prohibit gambling and alcohol, does not mention that whoever engages in them is sick and must be treated.Secondly, what is striking is that those societies that adopt these beliefs have high rates of gambling and other taboos, such as consuming alcohol. This means that the mere prohibition was not a real deterrent for individuals to engage in gambling, which can be interpreted on several levels.
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February 15, 2024, 06:18:29 PM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?

Gambling is popularly considered as not permissible by Islamic religion. Other religions apart from Islam have not prohibited gambling. Like Christianity, there’s no where in the scripture that says gambling is not allowed or forbidden by them but their religious leaders preach about the negative side of gambling and its addiction and the effect it will cause to them when they get into it seriously. If you are a true believer of what you worship, you’ll not be carried away by anything that will make you go against your religion, getting closer to your creator will be of more importance than any other thing at the time.
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February 15, 2024, 06:06:35 PM
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No idea. Probably stemmed from the negative connotation that most people had in the past about gambling with how they quickly lose money to it and immediately turn towards relatives, friends, or whatnot, basically the usual stuff that's been happening even today. They might've added some religious context to it but that's probably the basic gist of its origin. It also doesn't help that some religions seem to have the idea that money is the root of evil or something similar of the sort, mainly due to greed being a part of it. You can get the idea if you turn to the bad side of most things and see the immediate cause without considering any other details.
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February 15, 2024, 05:51:25 PM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?
Some religions are very particular when it comes to indulgences and the way you act upon it. Hinduism and Buddhism in particular incur divine and grave punishments upon others who have committed their lives to indulgence and ease, either in this life or the next. Islam and quite recently Christianism (cause way back then you can buy your sins out lol), do have these divine punishments per se but compared to the former whose threats/repercussions span multiple lifetimes, due to the nature of these religion's afterlife system they incur the punishments upon you or your soul for all eternity, so not exactly a better choice either.

Because of these threats against the soul or your future you're practically barred from having fun or responding upon these urges. Act upon them now and expect that when you die, your future incarnation or your soul's gonna suffer one way or another. So while the threat's not that concrete and sometimes even ridiculous, devout believers will definitely choose living a just and content life rather than gamble.

I consider myself as a non-religious person, once an insufferable bitch about that either. But since I dropped Reddit out of my life I found that you don't really have to make fun of other people's belief system nor how they practice it just to feel good about yourself. And I think that applies as well with gambling. I personally gamble, I gamble a little overboard compared to the average player even, but you wouldn't see me on the internet making fun of those who can't gamble as much as me, or do not gamble at all by virtue of religion. It's what they believe in, it's what they think is right. I can't shit on that, and honestly if it stops them from being subjected to gambling addiction even, I'd take that as a massive win!
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February 15, 2024, 05:46:23 PM

Anyway, I'm not too familiar with all religions, but as other users already mentioned, Islam is the one that states it's against gambling. However, I'm guessing that a large number of religions mention greediness somewhere in their writings; at least Christianity does. Even though it doesn't necessarily refer to gambling, it's quite similar.

Talking about Christianity, it didn't only talk about greed of the love for money but it also condemned it in the bible when the gamblers were seen in the act of gambling and were chased away and that I think signifies those who desire to come close to God should avoid involving themselves in it. But these things don't work that way as more people in the Christendom find themselves gambling even publicly and this is because many feel they can make ends meet with gambling in this harsh economy.
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February 15, 2024, 05:39:18 PM
Just like laws of the government, there's a separation of church. The separation of church and state and they can make their own laws from where they are based.
I think that they're forbidding it due to the result of it to one. For a member of theirs to remain faithful to the church is that they need to avoid gambling so their minds and souls are only focused to church works and not with activities like gambling that might separate their hearts and minds from servicing there.

There is a very important difference between the laws established by Churches and laws established by the state, the former ones are option while one is alive and only have an impact alledgely when has passed to the other side, on the other hand, the laws made by the men and kept by the states on the planet are not optional or are not supposed to be optional, when broken, there will be immediate consequences to the people, negative ones. In the eyes of society and the laws made by men, gambling is not a crime and anyone has the right to partake on it as long as does not do harm to anyone else directly.

Also, depending on the church and the sect, the motivations to forbid gambling to believers may be different from other churches. Some churches will forbid gambling because it encourages behavior associated with greed and love for money, since Jesus Christ told their followers they cannot serve money and serve God at the same time, the interpretation for bishops has been gambling as a manifestation of love for money. Sects, try to control the life of their followers and the prohibition to actives like gambling, sports and even sexual relationships has more to do with applying that total control by the cult leader on those people who sadly got brainwashed. At least, that is the way I see it.
Yeah, if the laws are from the state then there's no way that we can alter it and if it will be, there's a due process for it to go on.
Whilst for the laws from the churches, they can make changes anytime they wish as long as their council agrees with that and the process won't be that long.
That's why to whatever perspective you are looking that, IMHO, the important thing is you gamble your own money and you control your own life.

It depends on the religion and government/constitution you take as example for it, there are religions and branches of religions which are pretty much inflexible to the changes of their doctrines, not matter what the councils say. For example, lately the Roman Catholic Church has been more flexible to people who identify themselves as part of the LGBTQ collective, but Jehová Witnesses do not agree with it and continue to be pretty much against the existence of homosexual marriage, adoption or the existence of rights of the homosexual people in society. On the other hand, there are countries where it is pretty much easy to change civil laws, as long as there is enough support from the people to pressure lawmakers to do so.
It would be easy to lax even further tax on gambling earnings on the United States than convincing people within the Ismalic world about the individual freedom we all have and having them to gamble with no problem on their believes.
Religion is very difficult to deal with and can be very inflexible, specially Islam, people of that religion take the words of the Koran to the letter, literally and some who have been radical from their childhood would never gamble and would even condemn anyone in their family if ever caught gambling, it is different in Christianity. In Christianity is possible to even an adulterer to be given forgiveness.
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February 15, 2024, 05:30:08 PM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?

Well, I'm not sure if there is any verse in Christianity that forbid gambling but I know that Islam forbid gambling the same manner they forbid alcohol. Some scholars says Allah forbid it because it can make a person who have wealth lose everything they have over night and it makes people not to believe but base on their wealth opportunity on chances instead of them to believe in him. Some people so think that gambling makes people lose focus on Allah, like they don't pray on time when the time is right for them to worship him, these are the reasons I know why gambling is forbidden in that religion.

If not for now that gambling has evolved and has become a social activity, then our parent don't even view it from religious aspect but society norm. They see gambling as an irresponsible child because back then, it's only people that do drugs and street boys that indulge in gambling but internet has change everything which is good, their orientation has change because today, they comfortably watch it been advertise on TV without saying anything but religions don't evolve, their beliefs remain the same.
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February 15, 2024, 05:28:15 PM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?

Interest Ask. I'll tell you what I heard about this. In religion, people rely on God, his plan and his power at work in our lives. There is one God and there cannot be another. While previously, non-believers worshiped the goddess “Luck” and believed in her, which is considered unacceptable in many religions. There is God and his power and hoping for luck is contrary to religion
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February 15, 2024, 04:58:49 PM
When we talk about religion we cannot dine the forbidden things like alcohol, prostitution and many other things in this topic we will discuss why do gambling is forbidden (Haram, interdit) .
So can you tell me why is it forbidden in your religion?
And for the non religious persons what you think ?

I don't know why people care so much about other religion's "rules" I can care less either way.  Personally if you don't agree with any organization and their rules or sets of values then just don't belong to them.  I think you can side either way and be right.  It's a personal choice which club to pick knowing full well going in what you are getting involved with.  I personally don't think religion should have a say in what's band so long as you aren't harming someone else in the process but that's just me.
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