Topic: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? - page 3. (Read 9711 times)

Probably not. Look how the username in the picture is "Bitcoin Forum"; that makes it almost certain that TF edited the page before screenshotting it/edited the screenshot, so that also means that he probably just edited the text box.

I think TF(?) are just trolling. see the image he posted.

@Xian01
I hope you are not expecting me to do that because I won't. I will be contradicting myself if I do that.

So if I were to post either of those I would be insta banned from these boards?

Thinking outside the box here, perhaps a good start is for someone that has found the information on these forums, to make a post in this thread - aggregating all known other links - so it's easy to locate, and we can stop having this silliness with Thermos banning accounts posting his information, that is already, apparently, easy to find here.

It would effectively end the issue once and for all if certain digits and strings are verboten on these forums.

That's mainly my point, but there's no need for "if true". It is true, and you can easily prove it yourself -- right now.

Try posting a specific 10 digit Google Voice number, or a specific street address. You will see https://i.imgur.com/EZifOg6.png with an automatic permanent ban.

Whelp, that's that then, we can finally close the thread.
Thanks for vouching for salty & offering 0 evidence, random Anon from the interweb.

I can't find a post where theymos posted all of his information, but theymos did confirm bits and pieces here and there. and he published a few information himself.

so saltyspitoon is telling the truth

though I won't post all of that here because it would serve no purpose.

EDIT
some of them are outside of meta.

I think the point is that if true we have a double standard is all.

Admins claim that their own doxes are feely posted on the forum so they can leave everyones doxes. Yet no one can actually find those doxes (meaning they're worthless) and anyone attempting to post them gets auto banned.

I'm confused.
what's the point of asking about theymos' dox when the U.S government clearly knows who he is and where he lives? don't tell me you want to send him a postcard or something.

I believe we should not try to dox anyone unless they have done something really wrong.

You can clear your own name on here, I'd lose my credibility on here, but no one coming from off site is going to read through 20 pages of abuse from a cloud of shills to work out who was right. Especially when trust ratings aren't shown to non logged in users so even the crazies seem moderately not crazy.

You would be permanently damaged and you're saying there is no way for anyone to fix it. I mean, now we're talking lawyers to get such a simple thing fixed.



Yeah, lets see if admin accounts can get auto banned :/

- Appeal to Closure
- Argument from Consequences
- Argumentum ex Silentio
- Essentializing
- There Is No Alternative

Oh man, this keeps getting more and more complicated.

With TF risking to push this argument one step further, I'm starting to question the credibility of what SaltySpitoon said. I'm aware that he's an individual holding his own opinions but it's unclear if he was speaking representing the forum's administration board here.

Could we perhaps get a word from theymos on the matter?

Same here

SaltySpitoon, you are severely misinformed on this matter and I'd like to request that you stop speculating, especially since you have the moderator distinction. I respect you and trust that you are not intentionally providing misinformation.

My account, TradeFortress, was banned for mentioning that theymos bans anyone who posts his dox, and a popular bitcoin website where you can find such dox. That reply in this thread was deleted and I received a ban for "trolling". As I'm sure you can understand, there can be no justification that discussing theymos banning people for posting dox, in a thread about "non-consensual release of personal information" is "spam" or "trolling".


My understanding is that you are allowed to make an alt account to post in meta and appeal your ban, which is what I am doing.

The automatic ban is not for links, etc. It is for a 10 digit Google voice number in any substring, along with other strings of text and/or numbers. The automatic ban triggers even on substrings -- eg: "dasdasfasf1234567890fsdfds" would be automatically blocked and banned, if 1234567890 was the forbidden number.

I am not sure of your knowledge of the GLBSE fiasco, but back in 2012 when that happened there were numerous semi-substantiated accusations that theymos scammed by failing in his fiduciary duty as a GLBSE stakeholder. I, a GLBSE user who lost money in its shutdown, will be permanently banned if I make a scam accusation against him and post his dox.

Finally, to further refute your "it's banned because people spam it", which is a ridiculous fallacy: There's no undeleted posts about his dox in this forum. Your claim would be proven if you post his dox once, and your post doesn't get deleted. If other "spam" posts get deleted, sure, that will in fact prove your point. The fact is, theymos is blanket banning the posting of his dox, AND selectively banning people who mention the blanket banning of his dox.

Let me make that clear: If theymos has scammed you and you post his dox, you WILL be banned. If you even MENTION that theymos bans people who posts his dox, you can be hit with a 45 day ban for "trolling". SaltySpitoon, you're clearly unaware of what actions are actually being undertaken here. Please don't speculate like you have been and claim that as fact.

Ok, that sounds more fair. But it brings up some other points of mine. Anyone can come here and claim that theymos has scammed them right? Would the claim be enough? Dismissing the claim would count as censorship according to the 'deleting doxing is bad for freedom of speech' mentality.

I've been saying that allowing doxing can be abused because according to the current views (you seem to have) on this, (and correct me if I'm wrong), someone could use bitcointalk to post a scam accusation claiming that he was scammed by someone and include his dox (Motivation to do this could be anything from hate, trolling to actual scamming).

In that case, will you question the validity of his claims? If there's no factual proof of the scamming taking place should the dox remain up? Would you accept counter claims by the accused?

And finally, since I don't see this forum having any handling of takedown notices, is there any way someone could get his dox removed from bitcointalk aside from legal action?

This gets absurdly complicated. I can't speak of actual laws, which are obviously largely ignored in this thread. But the sheer complexity that this reaches is the reason I think doxing should be entirely banned, (ideological and moral reasoning aside).

More bullshit.
Try posting the address alone -- same results.
The script looks for [relatively short, from the few tests I've done] strings that make up the address & the bitcoin addy in the link.



Everything I say could be verified by anyone willing to make & lose an account.  Reproducibility is mine.

You ask to be trusted.  In a thread where your honesty is called into question.  SassySpittoon!

Its a no win situation for me, I can post the links, and then you or someone else will go spam in that thread until the thread is deleted or you are banned, furthering your "cause". You can choose to believe me or not, I don't especially care. I've pretty much elaborated on anything that could be construed as a constructive question or debate, so its up to you to either get it or not. I'm not the morality/policy police. Not my job to make you happy about the policies here. If I can help you understand why they are in place, great, if not, no point in beating a dead horse.


Generally I'm a case by case sort of guy, but being around here for years you start to see trends.

So, are you a "The chicken came first", or "The egg came first" kinda guy ?

There is a link blacklist tool used for a lot of the common advertising spam links. It just needs to be annoying enough to add it to the list, and its added. Id imagine the link that people keep posting was flagged enough as spam to be added. If Theymos has scammed you and post his dox, you won't be banned, nor will you be banned for posting anyone's dox with the exceptions given earlier in the thread.

The only reason I care about this thread is because I see this every day with a different cause and it bothers me at the core. Something is corrupt or wrong because every time someone posts it it gets deleted! But it keeps getting deleted because people keep posting it, and it becomes spam. "Hey guys post this just because" is a good way to make something spam. Like I said, "Bananas are vegetables" if people decided to run with it, I wouldn't be surprised to see "Bananas are vegetables" to become something people are auto banned for as well.