Topic: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? - page 5. (Read 9711 times)

And there the problem is:
1. The person posting the said dox is fully responsible.
2. A throw away account doesn't suffer much consequence. Somewhere around 0%.

I did a search on the forum for his dox on the forum.

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Again, if you try posting his dox on the forum you will be automatically banned. Try it in the Staff sectin.

I have created a poll on the matter.

The ban text was for Trolling.

Outrageous.

So you've generally agreed that people do not want to be doxed, regardless of if they've done anything wrong or not.


And then answered the point of doxes on here - to be malicious. Has there even ever been a non malicious dox on here that wasn't designed to cause harm and to do anything helpful? And when those malicious doxes have been proved to be malicious, you guys still leave them up.

So looping round again, would the policy chance if the doxes of every staff member were subsequently accumulated? ...The point of that question is to provoke some sensible thinking on the issue, rather than to threaten. Buuuuut if that question could even be remotely be perceived as a threat, the answer is yes and the policy needs to be changed.

I don't know anything about your ban, but I have personally seen two or three threads with Theymos dox in them on this site with no consequence to the OP or anyone else involved. I would expect that it was something else that you did. I don't have the info to know for certain, but that would be my first guess based on the info given.


Not that I necessarily disagree, but there isn't a screening process. Who should be in charge of fact checking to make sure the right person is doxed, and that the information is accurate? If you do post inaccurate info, I suppose you lose credibility? Thats something of a consequence.

This one would take a really really long time to explain. These are all things that have been greatly debated. I'll give you the short answers, but you would have to check hundreds of pages of discussion to have a complete scope of the debate. Buying/Selling accounts is something that staff can't enforce a rule against. If we do, people will just go off site and do it without our knowledge, and then people will be under the impression that it doesn't happen, so bought/sold accounts will be able to do more damage. Out in the open, everyone is aware to take proper precautions when dealing with someone. Staff are not responsible for scams or scam attempts. Do your own due diligence when trading. Ponzis aren't a "scam" if you know that you are investing in them. No one is being tricked into depositing money into LUCKYPONZI thinking its a cloudmining site. Do what you want with your money, let people do what they want with theirs. And spam is indeed our prime directive. A moderator's main job here is to help keep the board as clutter free as possible for thoughtful discussion.

Social Security numbers, Unrelease medical records, etc. It sticks out pretty well when someone posts something they shouldn't have access to. Your name, address, phone number, etc are the common bits of information that I see. If you can find the info in a phone book (if they still existed) with a google search, on social media, whatever. Its not private information. If information is illegally obtained, then its not acceptable.


The strange thing is, tons of people interact here on a daily basis and don't have their dox posted. There typically is a reason, or at least a percieved reason why people post each others dox. P.Gage is the only person I know of who has posted all of their own dox. I like to think most people here respect each others privacy until there is a reason not to. So when you say its contradictory that the Admins don't offer their information to everyone, that isn't applicable in the slightest. It would be more apt to say that if the Admins are accused of scamming and then delete their dox, that is a contradiction.

yes, by allowing users to post what they want, they are allowing mob justice

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also if u want to a forum where the admins run it as if its their personal coffee shop there is always hackforums.net

There is generally a huge contradiction. Either the admins are ALL willing to post their entire 'dox' information (as its all public record anyway, right?), or remove doxes when they serve no purpose / done maliciously. They'll say "but I'm anonymous", then.... surely everyone else wants to be?

I see come contradictions in what SaltySpitoon posted.

1. 2.
What I gather from this is that information that could somehow be publicly available, are allowed to be posted here. But in quote #2 it's stated that non-public information are not allowed. But what falls under your definition of non-public information? What if the doxed person claims none of the information released were publicly available?

I also didn't see the issue about false information being released. (Guess that would fall under the up for individuals to determine what is baseless logic?)

This forum allows a lot of stuff that should not, selling/buying accounts, even default trust ones, doxing people, some scams, some not, like ponzies and other ponzi related ´´games´´ and yes i know it´s to gather all ponzies in one place but is still kind of ridiculous. They are very strict about people spamming or posting useless stuff but not so much when it comes to scammers since they are never banned.

The problem isn't the act of doxing for the most part, it is the factual doxing the correct person. I have seen so much wrong information posted it is unbelievable.
No SSID and other sensitive information should ever be allowed and doxing should only be the last resort.
IMO, no doxing should be allowed from an alt. or new account. If you post it and are wrong, you should suffer the consequences.

My 45 day ban a while back would beg to differ.

Dude is a coward and a profiteering hypocrite IMO.

EDIT: And if you wonder why I'm so personally bitter directly with Michael, it's because he allowed Josh Zerlan to dox me using private information in BFL's customer database while Josh brazenly lied about it being public information. Oh, and where is BFL today ? Hmm...

Dox stay up because it is typically meta data. If information about you can be found on social media/google, whatever, its not private. If someone has to steal your medical records from a hospital in order to release it, then that is not allowed, nor is posting someone else's social security number. As far as baseless accusations and such, it is up for individuals to determine what is baseless. If people want to post about their businesses here without needing Bitcointalk to fact check, verify their claims, etc, then they need to be willing to do that themselves when people ask. Bitcointalk is not affiliated with google in any way, ads are all done in house.

Theymos' dox are floating around somewhere in meta, rules don't apply differently to moderators/admins.

If you dox is from the correct people and obtained from legal sources then there are arguments in favor.


But if you can't prove that the dox info is the person behind the account, then things are problematic. If you accuse him from crimes in public and can't prove he really did them, then the one committing a crime is you, spceially if you contact the people from his work accusing him

Thanks for your input Cobra. We don't get a chance to hear from you that often so I believe that your presence highlights the importance of the issue.

It shouldn't be allowed.

If a silly forum argument has someone so fired up that they feel the need to doxx the other, then that's a good sign to take a break and go do something else.

Even if there is a "legal" reason (e.g. theft) to find someone's identity, and you are that good of a detective, then call the police and give them your discoveries. Bringing it onto the forum is just immature and petty (and can cause damage if you accidently doxx the wrong person).

-BPB

I don't know why it's allowed to release someone's personal information on the forum (though Badbear and Theymos have criticized this). Even members threaten other members out here like personal threats to their life and that's as well considered 'freedom of speech'. If this way someone is harmed in their personal life, it won't be a good thing for this forum. Doxing should be banned IMO.

It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand, because the judgments until now are only against google as a search engine, not e.g. against the newspaper with the actual information.

Isn't Google more flexible with forums/social media and other sites based on user generated content? The most that will happen is that they'll stop linking to the particular thread where the defamation, hate speech, or impersonation is happening.

I think the risk of being permanently de-listed from Google is very low. It's not a factor that should influence any decision or change in forum policy here.

Ok to address Blazr's points,

8chan was de-listed, without receiving a notification from google as to why. Saying that the same could happen might be a stretch but I wouldn't consider it impossible.


Sure, but the FAQ I linked to actually mentions that google delists websites for alleged defamation, hate speech, impersonation as well. All of those could be part of doxing, the fact that it's user submitted content doesn't change much from their perspective.

The right to be forgotten is a completely different procedure, supported by the EU. Where google removes search results from showing up per request if and only if the party making the request can submit the necessary evidence, which is not an anonymous precedure.