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Quote from: Spendulus on June 17, 2015, 02:16:18 PM

The UN "peacekeepers" have had some pretty sordid track records of course, and there are cases where they had guns. But no bullets.

Anything will be better than the current ISIS regime in vast areas of Iraq and Syria. Recently, there have been a lot of scandals involving the UN peacekeepers (esp. in Congo and Haiti), but still they will do a better job than the ISIS and the Iraqi army. But patrolling such a huge area will require tens of thousands of soldiers.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2015, 12:01:36 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on June 17, 2015, 10:51:27 AM

There is no need for this campaign to be led by the same nutcases.
Why will you not allow other nutcases an equal chance to fuck things up?

The only viable option is to launch a ground operation under the command of the United Nations, in Syria and Iraq against the ISIS. Countries such as Russia, the United States, China, India and Germany should provide soldiers for such an operation. The ISIS should be eradicated once and for all. And a sizable contingent of the UN peacekeepers should be maintained in both Iraq and Syria, to make sure that the remnants of the ISIS will never surface again.

There's really nothing wrong with stationing ground troops in areas that have some basic instability and more of such expected in the future. The UN "peacekeepers" have had some pretty sordid track records of course, and there are cases where they had guns.

But no bullets.

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Quote from: Spendulus on June 17, 2015, 10:51:27 AM

There is no need for this campaign to be led by the same nutcases.
Why will you not allow other nutcases an equal chance to fuck things up?

The only viable option is to launch a ground operation under the command of the United Nations, in Syria and Iraq against the ISIS. Countries such as Russia, the United States, China, India and Germany should provide soldiers for such an operation. The ISIS should be eradicated once and for all. And a sizable contingent of the UN peacekeepers should be maintained in both Iraq and Syria, to make sure that the remnants of the ISIS will never surface again.

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 12:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

they will lose to the world eventually. It is only a matter of time.

I like your optimism. But real question is how many innocent poeple have to die before that happens? Millions?

If this world campaign is going to be led by the same nutcases that created the mess in the first place one thing is for absolutely 100% sure: We´ll end up with an even worse mess.

There is no need for this campaign to be led by the same nutcases.

Why will you not allow other nutcases an equal chance to fuck things up?

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The short answer is they are winning because we didn't Nuke them out when we could have.

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Quote from: mikaljan on June 16, 2015, 11:34:02 AM

Even so, taking Ramadi and holding it are two different things. Evidence from previous battles suggests that ISIS doesn't do defense as well as offense, and it is still vastly outnumbered by Iraqi forces. But the longer ISIS fighters are entrenched anywhere, the more difficult they are to expel, and the Iraqi Security Forces clearly aren't capable of the task alone.

The ISIS is having only around 50,000 to 100,000 active fighters, which is just about a tenth of the combined strength of the Iraqi Army, Shiite militias and the Peshmerga. Most of these fighters are used for offensive operations, with very few available for holding the territory. When their opponents launch offensives against them, the ISIS conducts tactical withdrawals, in order to minimize the casualties. But as soon as the offensive operations cease, the terrorists move back to reclaim the lost areas.

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 12:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Even so, taking Ramadi and holding it are two different things. Evidence from previous battles suggests that ISIS doesn't do defense as well as offense, and it is still vastly outnumbered by Iraqi forces. But the longer ISIS fighters are entrenched anywhere, the more difficult they are to expel, and the Iraqi Security Forces clearly aren't capable of the task alone.

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Quote from: CryptoTrout on June 15, 2015, 09:51:31 PM

They are trapped in the desert and forced to hide from airstrikes all day. Are they really winning?

There is no air strikes powerful enoght to stop ISIS actually. Theese airstrikes is just an image on an american TV. They maybe hitting one or two targets per week. It's not a problem for ISIS. They keep advancing. USA just want them to destroy Assad. That's it.

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Quote from: CryptoTrout on June 15, 2015, 09:51:31 PM

They are trapped in the desert and forced to hide from airstrikes all day. Are they really winning?

Don't make me laugh. The American airstrikes are a joke. They are not creating any problems at all for the ISIS. If the airstrikes had any effect at all, then how the ISIS was able to conquer new territory? (Palmyra, Ramadi.etc). I have a feeling that the air-strikes are a clever strategy by the Americans to create a smoke screen, in order to liquidate Assad.

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They are trapped in the desert and forced to hide from airstrikes all day. Are they really winning?

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Quote from: galdur on June 15, 2015, 06:20:25 PM

If this world campaign is going to be led by the same nutcases that created the mess in the first place one thing is for absolutely 100% sure: We´ll end up with an even worse mess.

That's true. If the Americans launch an all out attack against the ISIS, it will be viewed in the Muslim world as an American war against Islam, and the radical Islamists all over the world would travel to Iraq and Syria, to fight against the American troops. The fight will lag on for months, or even years, with no one really winning.

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Quote from: harkonnen on June 15, 2015, 04:05:12 PM

Quote from: JamesCB on June 15, 2015, 03:35:04 AM

Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 12:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

they will lose to the world eventually. It is only a matter of time.

I like your optimism. But real question is how many innocent poeple have to die before that happens? Millions?

If this world campaign is going to be led by the same nutcases that created the mess in the first place one thing is for absolutely 100% sure: We´ll end up with an even worse mess.

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Quote from: JamesCB on June 15, 2015, 03:35:04 AM

Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 12:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

they will lose to the world eventually. It is only a matter of time.

I like your optimism. But real question is how many innocent poeple have to die before that happens? Millions?

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 12:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

they will lose to the world eventually. It is only a matter of time.

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Quote from: Okurkabinladin on June 13, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

Exactly. ISIS fighters had already encountered both Israeli and Turkish troops near respective borders, result was stand off every time. Only people, who fight ISIS consistently are representatives of Syrias govenment and religious minorities (including Shia muslims), who pretty much face anihilation, if the western backed Islamists win.

Not only the religious minorities, but large numbers of Sunni Arabs (who are the majority) are also fighting in the Assad's armed forces. Only a part of the Sunni Arabs sympathize with the ISIS, and other opposition factions such as the FSA and the Al Nusra. But I don't have sufficient knowledge to make the claim that a particular percentage of Sunni Arabs support Assad.

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Quote from: RappelzReborn on June 09, 2015, 12:49:05 AM

Because simply America it self is also helping ISIS by providing weapons , and I've seen a lot of videos where Americain planes dropped weapons to ISIS then "woops , we made a mistake" .
Also ISIS leader (or leaders) are trained by mossad & CIA so it's not only the Iraq Army who is well trained .

Do you have any proof to support your theory?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 13, 2015, 12:17:01 AM

Quote from: harkonnen on June 12, 2015, 01:42:15 PM

2nd IS in ISIS stands for 'Iraq and Syria'. No wonder they are focusing on Iraq and Syria only at this time. Once they control Iraq and Syria, things will be different.
ISIS is cancer. They will spread to other areas eventually.

The ISIS is active in a large number of other nations, such as Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, Cameroon, and Afghanistan in addition to Syria and Iraq. But as of now, they have refrained themselves from attacking Turkey, KSA, and Israel.

Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 12, 2015, 10:50:54 PM

Thats strange they are not attacking israel. Seems Israel and jews are natural enemies for radical muslims. Well israel is strong for them now, but they definetely will try to destroy Israel after syria and iraq. So Israel should take care.

They are not attacking Israel, because they receive tacit support from Israel. Israel want to replace the Assad regime in Syria at any cost. They have attacked the Syrian army positions inside Syria, which in turn helped the ISIS to advance.

Exactly. ISIS fighters had already encountered both Israeli and Turkish troops near respective borders, result was stand off every time. Only people, who fight ISIS consistently are representatives of Syrias govenment and religious minorities (including Shia muslims), who pretty much face anihilation, if the western backed Islamists win.

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 12:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

As far as I know, ISIS is spread in many countries. They are well-equipped in war-fare. They have all the arms and ammunition, lot of money. With lucrative offers, they are recruiting more youngsters from many countries, such as Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, etc.

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Quote from: harkonnen on June 12, 2015, 01:42:15 PM

2nd IS in ISIS stands for 'Iraq and Syria'. No wonder they are focusing on Iraq and Syria only at this time. Once they control Iraq and Syria, things will be different.
ISIS is cancer. They will spread to other areas eventually.

The ISIS is active in a large number of other nations, such as Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, Cameroon, and Afghanistan in addition to Syria and Iraq. But as of now, they have refrained themselves from attacking Turkey, KSA, and Israel.

Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 12, 2015, 10:50:54 PM

Thats strange they are not attacking israel. Seems Israel and jews are natural enemies for radical muslims. Well israel is strong for them now, but they definetely will try to destroy Israel after syria and iraq. So Israel should take care.

They are not attacking Israel, because they receive tacit support from Israel. Israel want to replace the Assad regime in Syria at any cost. They have attacked the Syrian army positions inside Syria, which in turn helped the ISIS to advance.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2015, 12:18:40 AM

Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 11, 2015, 02:18:21 PM

Why would saudi arabia supports ISIS? Don't they understand that ISIS is a treat for all arabic world? Saudi Arabia going to be next. ISIS would definetely try to capture Mecca and Medina after taking all syria and Iraq.

The ISIS guys are not idiots. They have restricted their fighting to Syria and Iraq. Despite sharing a 1,000 km border with Turkey, they have never attacked a single Turkish location. The same goes for Saudi Arabia and Israel as well. The ISIS is having tacit understandings with these countries. They will never attack them.

Thats strange they are not attacking israel. Seems Israel and jews are natural enemies for radical muslims. Well israel is strong for them now, but they definetely will try to destroy Israel after syria and iraq. So Israel should take care.

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