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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2015, 01:18:40 AM

Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 11, 2015, 03:18:21 PM

Why would saudi arabia supports ISIS? Don't they understand that ISIS is a treat for all arabic world? Saudi Arabia going to be next. ISIS would definetely try to capture Mecca and Medina after taking all syria and Iraq.

The ISIS guys are not idiots. They have restricted their fighting to Syria and Iraq. Despite sharing a 1,000 km border with Turkey, they have never attacked a single Turkish location. The same goes for Saudi Arabia and Israel as well. The ISIS is having tacit understandings with these countries. They will never attack them.

2nd IS in ISIS stands for 'Iraq and Syria'. No wonder they are focusing on Iraq and Syria only at this time. Once they control Iraq and Syria, things will be different.
ISIS is cancer. They will spread to other areas eventually.

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 11, 2015, 03:18:21 PM

Why would saudi arabia supports ISIS? Don't they understand that ISIS is a treat for all arabic world? Saudi Arabia going to be next. ISIS would definetely try to capture Mecca and Medina after taking all syria and Iraq.

The ISIS guys are not idiots. They have restricted their fighting to Syria and Iraq. Despite sharing a 1,000 km border with Turkey, they have never attacked a single Turkish location. The same goes for Saudi Arabia and Israel as well. The ISIS is having tacit understandings with these countries. They will never attack them.

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ISIS has released images of militants celebrating, children wielding automatic weapons and a fleet of pick-up trucks carrying its jubilant fighters through the blood-stained streets of Ramadi.

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Quote from: harkonnen on June 11, 2015, 05:14:23 PM

Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 11, 2015, 03:18:21 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 09, 2015, 06:59:38 AM

The ISIS is winning the war, due to the following reasons:

1. Sunni Arabs, fed up with the discrimination from Baghdad are joining ISIS in large numbers
2. ISIS is receiving funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia
3. Right now, the total strength of the ISIS is somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 militants, including large numbers with prior military experience (former Iraqi soldiers, Chechens.etc).

Why would saudi arabia supports ISIS? Don't they understand that ISIS is a treat for all arabic world? Saudi Arabia going to be next. ISIS would definetely try to capture Mecca and Medina after taking all syria and Iraq.

Sunni against Shia or vice versa.
They have been fighting and killing each others last millenium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia%E2%80%93Sunni_relations

west making them kill each other

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 11, 2015, 03:18:21 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 09, 2015, 06:59:38 AM

The ISIS is winning the war, due to the following reasons:

1. Sunni Arabs, fed up with the discrimination from Baghdad are joining ISIS in large numbers
2. ISIS is receiving funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia
3. Right now, the total strength of the ISIS is somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 militants, including large numbers with prior military experience (former Iraqi soldiers, Chechens.etc).

Why would saudi arabia supports ISIS? Don't they understand that ISIS is a treat for all arabic world? Saudi Arabia going to be next. ISIS would definetely try to capture Mecca and Medina after taking all syria and Iraq.

Sunni against Shia or vice versa.
They have been fighting and killing each others last millenium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia%E2%80%93Sunni_relations

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 09, 2015, 06:59:38 AM

The ISIS is winning the war, due to the following reasons:

1. Sunni Arabs, fed up with the discrimination from Baghdad are joining ISIS in large numbers
2. ISIS is receiving funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia
3. Right now, the total strength of the ISIS is somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 militants, including large numbers with prior military experience (former Iraqi soldiers, Chechens.etc).

Why would saudi arabia supports ISIS? Don't they understand that ISIS is a treat for all arabic world? Saudi Arabia going to be next. ISIS would definetely try to capture Mecca and Medina after taking all syria and Iraq.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 09, 2015, 06:59:38 AM

The ISIS is winning the war, due to the following reasons:

1. Sunni Arabs, fed up with the discrimination from Baghdad are joining ISIS in large numbers
2. ISIS is receiving funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia
3. Right now, the total strength of the ISIS is somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 militants, including large numbers with prior military experience (former Iraqi soldiers, Chechens.etc).

so they are using iraq soldiers also, this is why they have the advantages, they any kind of soldier in their big tropps, they can recruit some strong old green berets or mercenary, or people that have enough experience in war, not to mentions their big numbers of soldiers

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 10, 2015, 10:15:48 PM

Quote from: bitcollins85 on June 10, 2015, 09:57:36 PM

ISIS is winning, because we are not really at war with them. We allowed them to take and arm themselves from Iraqi arsenal's.

This ISIS is winning just because of the constant supply of the US-made weapons (delivered either intentionally or unintentionally). In addition to the 2,300 humvees and APCs which were gifted to them in Mosul, the ISIS also got significant deliveries of weapons when various factions of the FSA defected and then merged with them.

why USA is helping them, or why they have access to apc? this gift was something that happened before the isis creation or what?

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Quote from: bitcollins85 on June 10, 2015, 09:57:36 PM

ISIS is winning, because we are not really at war with them. We allowed them to take and arm themselves from Iraqi arsenal's.

This ISIS is winning just because of the constant supply of the US-made weapons (delivered either intentionally or unintentionally). In addition to the 2,300 humvees and APCs which were gifted to them in Mosul, the ISIS also got significant deliveries of weapons when various factions of the FSA defected and then merged with them.

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ISIS is winning, because we are not really at war with them. We allowed them to take and arm themselves from Iraqi arsenal's.

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 01:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Wath PBS Frontline - The Rise of ISIS

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remember that really big iraqi army that usa kicked to the curb? they became the insurgency? well that is where all the good soldiers went. You can train all you want but its not going to make a good army over night. The iraq reconstruction was so poorly handled that it is hard to believe that it was not on purpose.

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Quote from: pureelite on June 10, 2015, 12:33:48 PM

Don't underastimate the power of fanatics and lunatics. It can do wonders if they are properly equipped. Not saying anything about Muslims though, don't get me wrong, it's just that those extremist have a strong motive in jihad and Kur'an, which is probably the main reason they are winning.

Motivation alone doesn't explain their gains. The Kurdish Peshmerga fighters are even more motivated, when compared to the ISIS terrorists. Actually, it is the technological advantage which is aiding the ISIS. Right now, they are having some 2,300 US-made Humvees and tens of thousands of heavy machine guns with them, while the Kurds are armed only with light machine guns.

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 01:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Don't underastimate the power of fanatics and lunatics. It can do wonders if they are properly equipped. Not saying anything about Muslims though, don't get me wrong, it's just that those extremist have a strong motive in jihad and Kur'an, which is probably the main reason they are winning.

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Quote from: evenlydistributingfuture on June 09, 2015, 07:26:19 PM

ISIS doesn't win every time. The Kurds in northern Iraq have defeated ISIS forces on multiple occasions, fighting like professional soldiers. Why they are doing rather well compared to the actual Iraqi military is a good question.

The simple reason is that the Kurds are very much motivated, while the Iraqi soldiers are not so. The Iraqi army is inexperienced, and lack proper fighting skills. Although they possess advanced weaponry which was given to them by the United States, as of now they can't be compared with the Peshmerga, which is having decades of fighting experience.

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 01:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

ISIS isn't winning shit....take a look at this map, and see where 80% of all the oil fields are and who is actually winning...

You will notice that the vast majority of the oil fields are under Iraqi control and the US is milking the shit out of that dead Iraqi cow....ISIS is only getting some leftovers from the US, although they are the favorite "bomb testers" for coalition airstrikes....kaboom

Through the fog of war, it is maps like these that show you who is really winning...control the resources and you will control the war...pretty much like in any strategy game ( Age of Empires, Starcraft

) Except that some players control real armies, however same principles apply...

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ISIS doesn't win every time. The Kurds in northern Iraq have defeated ISIS forces on multiple occasions, fighting like professional soldiers. Why they are doing rather well compared to the actual Iraqi military is a good question.

The Iraqi military, on the other hand, hasn't done so well. They have retreated and run off without putting up a fight before, as the American defense secretary has stated publicly. Maybe it's a problem of motivation. Maybe some of them secretly sympathize with ISIS. Maybe they are not trained very well or not equipped well enough.

Why one military force beats another could due to any number of factors. It's probably a combination of numerous different things. I doubt there's really a conclusive answer to this question; it calls for speculation since nobody has all the relevant information.

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Hmmm, apparently -due to their own training- U.S. trainers have spent more time on getting the Iraqis high on booze and shit and then inspecting each others´dicks than actual military training.

Exclusive: Doctor who trained U.S. troops suspended for macabre techniques

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/08/us-usa-doctor-probe-idUSKBN0OO2E720150608

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 01:04:41 AM

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Its quite hard to defeat islamists, who have material and intelligence support of the Westerners. Personally, I believe, that western elite already decided, that they rather isolate wahabbi threat in one battlefield, rather than face their failed multiculturalism experiment head on. Plus sunni radicals also tie down local shia strenght represented by Iran.

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There are many reasons actually some were already mentioned so I will not go trough them but here are some that weren't mentioned yet :

1- would be that Shiaa were mistreating Sunnis and things became worse after Shiaa took full power of the country, hence Sunnis don't feel the need to fight against ISIS and there are even that find sympathy in these murderers since one of their doctrine is they are there to defend Sunnis.

2- Iraq army is non existent since the US destroyed the country, no moral, no one cares, the people that had the experience are dead, only inexperienced youngsteer that get recruted fights (mostly) and they are on against ISIS they don't hold a candle especially knowing that there are people from Saddam Husseins army that joined ISIS and know what they are doing.

3-Saudi/Iran influence war over the country.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 09, 2015, 08:22:29 AM

Quote from: ThEmporium on June 09, 2015, 08:16:49 AM

Unfortunately for Saudi Arabia, ISIS, the anti-Shia insurgency it helped to create, is now rumbling about taking over Saudi Arabia when it's done wiping out the Shias in Iraq and Syria.

I don't think that the ISIS pose any threat to the Saudis, as there is hardly any differences between the two sides. Do you remember the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979? Although the Saudis executed Juhayman al-Otaybi and his followers, the King gave more powers to the religious puritans in the immediate aftermath. The Saudi reaction to the ISIS will be the same. King Salman will make Saudi Arabia even more conservative, to make sure that no differences exist between the ISIS and the KSA.

How ISIS don't pose any threat on the Saudis while they bombed couple of mosquees (I know it's shia mosque) & in the last couple of weeks and they admitted that the attack was from them ?? however it's basically intelligence agencies fault because they are the one who should be able to stop those things .

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