Topic: Why isn't atheism classified as another religion? - page 3. (Read 858 times)

I can agree that it isn't 100% accurate to say  "the more stupid you are the more likely you are to believe in god." but I would argue that your chart supports the statement "That's why people with higher IQ tend to believe less in gods.". The hockey stick red line past 100 IQ (the avg IQ) is not easy to miss.

I have a problem with the chart though. Sub 70 IQ is considered dull.  Statistically, above 130 and below 70 have the same % of people (and are a statistically insignificant number of people, less than 5% total).  Why did they leave out the above 130 IQ but leave in sub 70 group, why did they only include part of the "bell"?  I surmise that they needed a big dropping red line somewhere to combat the lower intelligence = more theistic argument and found one the only place they could, in dullards...

To be fair present the proper distribution and remove the sub 72 on that chart and see what it looks like again.  This is so typical of an agenda driven presentation.  lol at using less than 2.5% population to argue anything about what is typical (read average).

It is crystal clear and supported by even your supplied skewed agenda driven chart that "people with higher IQ tend to believe less in gods."

Edit:  I read the chart like this.  As you go from dull to average (70-100) or in other words everyone below average intelligence you are more likely to be theistic.  As you go from average to genius (100-130)  or in other words above average intelligence tend to be less theistic.

Look, you don't have to take it personally, not you or badecker but the fact is that the smarter and more knowledgeable you are the less likely you are to believe in a god. ''Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.''  This is a huge statistical difference. Obviously there are still a lot of scientists that do believe in some god but it's not a surprise when taking in count the level of indoctrination of US. Most people in the US believe in god and indoctrinate their kids that way, it's really hard for anyone to jump out of it when everyone in your life is telling you that god is real, religion is a virus.

Actually that is not entirely accurate.

The distribution of atheist intelligence
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/01/mailvox-distribution-of-atheist.html?m=1

Most of the countries classify atheism as a religion in their census. I was looking at the religion-based census tables from countries such as New Zealand, Australia and the United Kingdom. Some of them have classified the non-religious and atheists in one category, while some others have combined it.

Forget about education, we are talking about IQ which requires no previous knowledge. Smart people tend to believe less in god, educated or not. I'm sorry but it's the truth, don't be mad it's a fact.

And the educated atheists are so extremely far from finding enough education, that they think that they are atheists, when the most that they are is atheist hopefuls. In all their education, they can't even see the self-contradictions in the idea of atheism. Is that education? You atheist jokers have a long way to go to find reasonable education.

''The uneducated people listen to Bible readings, or read the bible if they have a little education'' and believe it without any proof because they are not smart enough. That's why people with higher IQ tend to believe less in gods. It's what it is badecker, the more stupid you are the more likely you are to believe in god. Don't be mad.

There are religions that don't have a deity.

Atheism is a religion that has a deity. Who is the deity? The atheist, himself is the deity. Why and how? Because he is attempting to set himself up with enough knowledge to infer that God doesn't exist on a planet around the star Sirius. So, he is claiming to know this, by knowing more than mortal mankind could know. Only a deity could know this.

Atheism is a system of attempted belief, not a system of non-belief. Atheists attempt to believe that God doesn't exist, when they couldn't possibly know it for a fact.

Well, there is where we disagree.  You base your morals on a book. 

To me if an action causes harm to yourself or other living organisms (humans included) it is immoral.
That is what I base my morality, not on some ancient text written by some schmuck in a cave.

I'm telling you guys you got it all wrong.  You are deluding yourself into believing that these ancient texts have any insights.  Those are reflections of bronze age people, talking about life in those times.  There is nothing you can use from these books other than "do not kill".
(Which the texts do not follow from one chapter to the next LOL).

Ask yourself this:  Why did God not bother to update these books?  They are obviously wrong on so many levels.  Why not update them?
Why not post the 'correct' version on this very thread?

Because the "Gods" who wrote the Bible (about 40+ writers) are all dead.  Same thing with Talmud or Quran.  Same 'problem'.

Anti-religion is a religion because it follows the definition of religion is some ways.

Atheism and anti-theism are religions because they follow the definition of religion is some ways.

Organized opposition is a religion, because it has followers who do their anti duties religiously.

See the definition of religion at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, especially # 6, which shows that all people fall into the classification of religion.

You are ignoring the overall effect of one major aspect of your killing idea. Consider this simple point. If you have a serial killer, who will not change, but will keep on killing if you allow him to be free, what is the right thing to do? Allow him to be free, and thereby help him in his killing? Or kill him via execution, and stop the killing by killing him.

You seem to want to run around without much deep thinking, yet at the same time you seem to want to use words that suggest you have some deep thinking. You are missing a lot.

That which is called "education" is often based in technical things that don't answer the basic needs of people... spiritual needs. The uneducated people listen to Bible readings, or read the bible if they have a little education, and are focused thereby on the things that will give them eternal life.

It's a pride thing in the educated people. Or a thing that makes them think that they are finding out what is important, when the complexity of the universe is way beyond any little education they are receiving. Educated people are often self deluding in this way.

However, the strength of spirit is the only thing that affects "more religious." Why? Because according to the complete definition of the word "religion," all people essentially live by religion, no matter the quantity or quality of their education.

People die because they have degenerated in many ways from the perfection of a little over 6,000 years ago. It could be called devolution.

There isn't any way to upgrade the best.

The correct version is a spiritual thing, existing between the spirit of the man and the Holy Spirit of God. The words of the Bible are only the way that mankind might work with the correct version. Lack of the words of the Bible makes the degeneration of mankind happen faster.

So what is the reason that uneducated people tend to be more religious than educated people? You and badecker have to say slavery is or at least was a good thing, badecker has said that slavery was the ''best'' thing god could have done at the time.

That's not a bad place to start af_newbie not at all. To answer your question maybe they were updated. Not because they were wrong, but because humanity was failing to properly grasp them.

Matthew 22:36-40
"“Master, what are we to consider the Law’s greatest commandment?”

37-40 Jesus answered him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind’. This is the first and great commandment. And there is a second like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself’. The whole of the Law and the Prophets depends on these two commandments.”

I will decline your invitation to debate the various religious passages as it does not interest me and would be off topic for this thread. I agree with the premise outlined by the original poster and I have laid out the logic behind that agreement up-thread.

You are simply taking things out of context. The laws in Exodus, which are repeated in Deuteronomy, are some of the best laws for living by in the whole world. They couldn't have been put together better.

Actually, the biggest reason for the Bible is to offer salvation through faith in the crucifixion death of Jesus, and His resurrection. The rest pales in comparison.

Actually I am confident you are underanalyzing it.

If we drilled down into each of your points we would find we disagree on a lot.

We would disagree on the reason the poor and uneducated people are more religious than educated and independently wealthy.

We do disagree on the insights available in religious texts.

We would probably disagree on the nature, source, and definition of evil as well as the root cause of most human suffering.

I don't know where you got the idea I said slavery was a good thing so we would disagree on whatever logic you took to reach that conclusion.

If we debated each of these points to exhaustion and were both honest in our dialogue we could probably in short order trace them back to a difference in basic assumption.

I suspect that at the foundation you have accepted basic premises about the universe such as things are essentially random and that there is no ultimate purpose to life beyond the mechanical act of propagation and reproduction. Such a metaphysical foundation is not something you can prove. It is something you assume apriori your faith if you will. I on the other hand have adopted a very different apriori Truth so we disagree and that is ok.

Once you understand that our primary difference is one of faith you can better understand the pathological hatred of some extremist have on both sides of the division. Not everyone is up to a challenge to their faith. Many of us do not examine it and cannot clearly articulate it. Those most lacking in self reflection deny they have a faith. Disrupt the foundation and the entire edifice of beliefs built upon it becomes unsound. People can and often do lash out rather then face that.

Take popcorn1 for example. He is so riled up that that he is not only swearing but when he quoted my post he took the time to delete part of the link to Jordan Peterson's fantastic lecture series to make it nonfunctional. Some people simply cannot handle challenges to their faith.