Topic: Why isn't atheism classified as another religion? - page 4. (Read 911 times)

Many religious texts make a lot more sense then you are giving them credit for ..

The biggest sense in the bible is what?   Thou shall not kill ..Now is this because Moses said right everyone lets not kill and everyone said really good idea that Moses lets not kill each other?  OR was it by chance someone got killed like a family member and the pain made them feel so bad that others seen the effects plus they could of been the family member who as been killed and they also feel the pain?..

MOSES or the PAIN?..

So now we get back to religious text making sense ..

I will give you my Religious text from the one true creator our god the EARTH..

Do not put your hand in the fire..
Don't stick pins in your eyes..
Always bend at the knees when lifting heavy objects up ..
Never stick your head in a blender ..

The word COMMON SENSE means it's happened so many times it becomes common   SO SENSE KICKS IN..

So now you all know the 1 biggest thing that makes sense in the bible is THOU SHALL NOT KILL ..And you all needed scholars to tell you this?..

Then you got parts of the bible that just tricks your brains to keep you busy   so you have deep thought over basically NOTHING ..
Example below ..

In the far winds of the west shall there be four eyes   one with deeds of sin to cast thee into shadows ..

Now i just made that BULLSHIT UP  to get you to now start to think what the saying means WHEN really it's just bullshit to sell you my book..

But some SO CALLED SMART ASS looks to deep into shit      BULLSHIT..  Then he thinks of BULLSHIT then tells the world bullshit..

When really SHOW US THE PROOF   then even i will believe ..

The purpose of life is to survive and procreate.  It is a common purpose in all life forms, including humans.

You are over analyzing it.  It is pretty simple.  People fear death and develop self coping mechanism to deal with that fear.

Have you noticed that poor and uneducated people are more religious than educated and independently wealthy.  Why is that?

Poor and uneducated have more to fear and need some hope (any myth will do) to help them cope with their problems and questions.

Saying that some bronze stone texts have any insights is like saying that Pinocchio fairy tale is a good source of engineering knowledge.

People are killing and mistreating people in the name of those religious texts.  Even today.  How can you say that slavery is a good thing?
You know it causes harm.  People who wrote these texts were psychopaths.

I define religion as anything an individual structures their life around either consciously or unconsciously.

I talked about this more here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.35126317

I have seen arguments like your before af_newbie. They are often followed by statements like
Life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. There is no inherent morality, accepted moral values are abstractly contrived. The universe and everything in it is entirely random. Ultimately there is no real point to life.

I am familiar with this "religion" this this type of faith if you will. I find it unpersuasive to say the least.

Many religious texts make a lot more sense then you are giving them credit for. I have found Jordan Peterson's lecture series on that topic to be particularily insightful as he goes through one of them line by line.

Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w

We are going through a cultural phase where attempts to redefine language often take priority over a search for truth. I think religion is accurate but you can call it your essence, your core beliefs, your foundation if you prefer.  

Where the arguments against religious faith usually go astray is that they attempt to introduce an arbitrary and illogical division between faith in religion and faith in other things. They then attempt to argue against religion while totally ignoring "other faith".

Humans don't live in a vacuum. We cannot like a computer shut ourselves off and stop. We are all ongoing and actively developing entities. Rejecting a faith is never a simple matter of removing a set of beliefs. It is ALWAYS a replacement of one religion with another or if you prefer a replacement of one set of core beliefs with another. These new beliefs whatever they may be are also ultimately just another faith.

Take the hardcore nihilist. If you push him to define and defend his beliefs you will usually after some digging drill down into something like Nihilism = True or "The entirety of the universe including the creation of the universe is random." They can't prove this they simply take it on faith.  It is the core foundation of nihilism. The rock or soggy sand of nihilism if you will.

As I personally lack the wisdom to disprove nihilism the best I can do is point to the dangers in the faith direction of nihilism and hold up an alternative. Nihilism ultimately is based in apriori faith.

The nihilist are honest in their arguments and I respect them. They reject faith in God while simultaneously outlining and defining the faith they are basing their attacks from and advocating as a replacement. Most of the arguments against religion are far less honest. These illogical or dishonest arguments try to limit the conversation to simple attacks on religion without any attempt to define the belief structure they are using as an alternative. These attacks usually go something like "I just don't believe in your flying spaghetti monster and don't want to talk about what I do believe in."  These types of arguments are childish and logically unsound noise.

Questioning one's faith is ultimately a good thing. We need to be introspective and examine what we really believe in and why. If we don't we will never know if we have structured our faith on something solid or something unsound.

Are you trying to say that you can't look up the definition of religion? Are you trying to say that you can only find one little part of the definition? The definition is pretty broad. All you need do is look it up in dictionaries and encyclopedias.

You remind me of those people that want to have unlimited gender identities. You are basically giving the word religion such a broad meaning that you might as well just not use it.

It is very simple. Atheism can't be classified as a religion, because it is not a religion. For example, let's take the issue of mental disease. A lot of people in the world suffer from mental disease such as schizophrenia. Do we need to create a classification for people who don't have schizophrenia? I don't think so.

Yes it does. You did things this week. You avoided certain activities and pursued others. You followed certain behavioral constraints perhaps by habit, joy, or fear of punishment.

When doing all of these things you are operating within a framework of motivations, goals, and desires. At the bottom of that framework the foundation is your core motivations the essence of you aka your religion.

Now you may or may not know what your religion is. Many people never examine their own foundations. Many others pay lip service to an idea while in reality building their life upon an entirely different or even contradictory foundation. The reality is the foundation not the words.


This is a reasonable line of questioning. However, an honest examination requires you not pick out individual verses in religious text you agree or disagree with but to look at the entire arc of human history.

First you have to define morals which in itself is not a trivial matter.

Then you need to examine slavery how and why you can define it as morally wrong and how humanity developed the awareness that has mostly abolished it.

You need to examine the long terms effects of various religions on human societies over time and the true impact these have on health and progress.

You need to closely and honestly look at societies that have changed their religion and replaced it with new religions. I would suggest a look at German, Russian, and Chinese history over the last 100 years as particularly instructive.

Having looked at the world to the best of my limited ability using the above approach I strongly disagree with your quote above but that is mostly irrelevant. You need to decide for yourself.

Actually what I'm saying is that your particular religion is bad and doesn't teach morals. The bible says '' do not kill '' to later say '' kill anyone who works on the sabbath '' and that's just one example of many, rape, slavery, it's all allowed in the bible if you follow certain ''rules''. My ''religion'' doesn't teach me what to do, unlike yours.

You don't even seem to want to agree with yourself. You suggested that religions-are/religion-is bad. But take a religion. What does it do? The religion itself doesn't do anything. It just sits there, like a philosophy might. Only when it gets into people does it become bad. Why then? Because people are bad. So, it is people who turn religions bad. And atheism is one of the worst, because it can't be truly followed by anyone, and most so-called atheists lie by claiming that they are atheists, and it is entirely silly for lack of positive evidence.

I believe that it isn't considered as religion because religion is known to be our guide closer to God and it makes our faith stronger. Athiesm is actually being against religion because they don't believe in the exist. They are known to be anti religion so they are another group but they aren't considered as religion because it actually contradicts so in differs from religion.

''People have religions. Therefore people are bad'' Sometimes I don't know if you are trolling or you simply don't even understand what you are saying. You are calling yourself a bad person lol.

Buddhism is classified as a religion. But it doesn't officially have any deity, even though some Buddhists attempt to believe that the Buddha is a deity.

because they don't believe in any deity, being in a religion means believing or having faith in a certain deity

However, unless you do the scientific examinations yourself, you are simply accepting the word of other people. Such acceptance sounds more like religion to me than it sounds like science.

After all, the scientific study of religion seems to attempt to bring religion into conformity with other sciences. It is not looked at for its autonomy. So, it just might be general science that is the real religion.

The atheist is a "believer in what you see," or just believe in what "science proves" to be real, to be in the visible world. People are based on this basis to "assimilate" materialistic people, the Communists are atheistic. From these characteristics we immediately recognize their manifestations: Can not accept all false The theory "that science does not prove existed", not just "mythological details" in religious myths.

Yet nobody knows how nature came into existence naturally. Some say that they do, but they don't have near enough evidence to show that they might be correct. What this really means is, all of nature is supernatural... at least as far as we can tell.

Since we don't know that all of nature is NOT supernatural at its core, the atheistic belief that nature is not supernatural, is part of what classifies atheism as a religion.

If they contradicted entirely, the dictionary definitions would not show that they are similar in some ways - atheism and religion. The way the definitions explain them shows that atheism is a religion.

Google "atheism religion" to see how many people explain why atheism is a religion, and how many others try to show that it is not.

Atheist cannot be classified as another religion. They are contradict. Religion has something on common which is belief for God while atheist is the opposite. And atheist should not be recognize. They are against God. How can you trust people with no God. They can be harmful and fearful. They do not care what ever they do.Atheist must encounter God so that their belief  and mndset will ..change.

We all have different views regarding Atheism. But for me it's neither a belief or religion, but more like a perspective. Atheism is more likely directed to having lack of belief in Gods. We should just respect each other's beliefs and don't let these differences tear us apart.