Topic: Why it's so hard to rank-up? - page 5. (Read 1735 times)

In some of forum sections it may be more difficult to encounter merits than others. Those more forum or bitcoin centric tend to be better off than those that altcoin related, and that is seemingly reasonable in a forum called Bitcointalk. Regardless, the content is what in general terms makes a post potentially a candidate to receiving sMerits, and I’m pretty sure that, for the most, those that do elaborate decent enough content do not have a hard time ranking-up. It does take some effort, which is not to everyone's liking.

If they do find it hard, there are always possible aids through threads here and there that review people’s posts/posting history, highlight those profiles that may need a budge in the ranking-up pipeline, or simply give some merits for some not too complex technical acomplishments related to signing messages.

When it is certainly going to be difficult is if one makes 80% of his posts on bounties, 10% in Altcoin Discussion and some more in sparse sections (see data in this external site). -> Jinx with @Lucius it seems.

Greediness, presumably to hoard sMerits, is not something I’d say is a thing. There is not real point in being "greedy" by hoarding, since one gains nothing by it (remember Merits and sMerits are not the same). There may be people less interested in the Merit System who decide not to participate in it much, but that is overly compensated by Merit Sources and others that receive plenty in their day to day, only to be selfless and distribute the rendered sMerits around.

Thanks for stepping in and sharing your perspective with me (and others). I guess most of those members who couldn't tolerate such attitudes/posts that caused frictions in the past are now more tolerant. As we grow and age, our sense of judgment gets tempered by real life experience and we tend to be more subtle and soft to issues. Little wonder grannies are lenient with their grandkids and annoyingly indulge them. I may be missing the mild drama you said still goes on at the Reputation section as I'm not a regular there. On the whole, I think life should be better without nagging confrontations. A little disagreement to agree is cool; it helps to straighten things up. Anything above that isn't healthy.

Again, maybe those who left are the real troublemakers 🤔

I would not agree with you, because 90% of your posts are in Altcoins boards, and even 80% of them are in Bounties, which means that you spent 90% of your time on the forum under the radar of most of those who could potentially reward you with merits. Furthermore, your post history clearly indicates that you came with a completely different intention than to learn, but it is never too late to change the way you approach the forum.

If you think you have posts that deserve to be rewarded with merits, there is also a topic for such requests -> Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

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As you can see, some do not think so, although few think that the problem may be with them, and not with the forum.

It is difficult to rank up because people are greedy with their merits. Even when you make a quality post, they still ignore it and you get nothing. I guess that's why people like us are really not interested in ranking up. I am here first, to learn. I don't care whether I rank up or not.

I registered on the forum in summer 2017 although I discovered it months before. I remember there was a serious problem with spam, as you mentioned, which ended up leading to the merit system. I suppose it's not perfect, like any other solution they might have wanted to put in place, but it alleviated a lot of the problem.


I agree. With a little effort, everyone can make progress on the forum.

I occasionally visited the forum during 2014 as a guest and I was not interested in anything except to learn more about Bitcoin, although I must admit that I was also interested in some altcoins and of course then very popular faucets. I registered in 2015, and at least as far as I remember, there was a very relaxed mood then, because Bitcoin was cheap (between $200 - $250), and some signature campaigns were literally run by bots - there was so much spam that it was immeasurable in comparison from today.


There have always been conflicts on a personal level, maybe there are fewer of them today because some members left the forum, and others realized that it was a waste of time. The forum is definitely cleaner if you take into account spam or all those alt accounts that have been banned for various reasons, but there are still conflicts, just look at the Reputation board.

However, none of that is a reason that the OP or anyone else can't progress on the forum - time is of course still a key factor, but with merits we got another challenge that the members have to overcome, which is not easy, but far from an impossible mission, which many have already proven.

I'm trying to imagine what the atmosphere was like then here in 2014 and few years after that. Was there so much drama or no sparks as encouragement that made you leave? If you don't mind, I would like your response on this.

In 2017 when I came in, I observed there was so much drama and in-house fights. The forum was often tensed. Those who had confrontations, fought like it were physical exchange of blows they had as one could feel it in the harsh words used. I couldn't help but wondered what was going on. Most times I was lost in the terminologies used and couldn't make out anything that was the reason for such fights. It's good to know that it's different now. The forum is friendlier this day.

Don't get me wrong, it's great to be active, but as long as you keep making shit posts, there's no way you'll be able to rank up. stay on topic and stay humble...

This forum is basically the perfect way to ask any questions that you have about cryptocurrencies, and not just about Bitcoin. It's a great place to talk to other members of the site and see if they have similar ideas or thoughts that you do. It's a great place to hang out. I don't know where else you can find a number of brilliant minds scattered across the site, ready to help or argue with each other.

How do you promote yourself? Don't limit yourself, and don't be afraid, if you are willing to put time into this forum then you will be able to move forward.

We thank God that you realized your mistakes and share it here for others to learn. According to the saying, "experience is the best teacher". Now that you have experienced the unexperience nature of life, you have learned yours in the forum. Everyone has their experience in the forum. Reading always give wisdom than knowledge. Yes you will give things that more useful and it will be helpful if only you are reading other users thread and learn and write constructively. Once again delayer is not a barrier, wasted time is not a barrier but how focus and seriousness are you now in the forum is the issue.

I think this forum gives you so much more freedom than the typical Internet forum does.  By imposing standards and rules, the forum is only kept more civilized and fair to everyone.  Because imagine how this website would look if only plagiarism was allowed.

In fact, I sometimes think there are some rules that are not on the forum but there should be.  For example, there are even today some scammers and trolls wandering around yet although everyone knows they are trolls or scammers, they are not banned.  So yes, this forum gives you a ton of freedom unless you are a real jerk or a spammer.

Can someone finally explain why someone is supposed to try their best to properly fit within this framework?  Is this not supposed to come naturally rather than artificially?  If one has to try hard to be one of us, why are they even here besides obvious reasons such as bounties and campaigns?

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First,  I think the question on the subject should have been ~Why it's so hard to rank-up for some users.
This is because ranking up is not difficult for every user here,  the way you (@op) put it in the subject made the ranking-up difficulty look like it's a generalized thing.
I know some users who joined the forum and in a space of a year,  there attained the legendary rank,  so to simply put it,  I would say that ranking up is easy,  but it all depends on one's level of knowledge and activity on the forum.
Like you (@op) said,  one can not give what he or she does not have, those who are very limited in knowledge and don't take out time to learn,  and also do not have enough time to be active on the forum, users in this category will definitely find it difficult to rank up compared to those who are not so limited to knowledge of bitcoin and cryptocurrencies,  and are also pretty much active on the forum.

All in all, forum ranks are good. They give members the opportunity to advance their status through activity, merit and engagement, for example, but also prestige and prominence. These are all measures of each member's position within the community and, besides, motivate one to be more active.

The point is that forum gives you a lot of freedom and possibilities for self-realization, but, at the same time, imposes certain rules and community standards. Only in this case there is a chance to get ahead either in rank or in the level of an expert. So, if you want to achieve the goal of promoting yourself, then you need to be able to play by the rules and know how to live within the framework that was created by all members of the community together.

Being active doesn't guarantee a quick (or just) achievement of the rank, but without the manifestation of activity, the increase in rank is generally impossible. So, one way or another, a lot comes down to activity. Even if you accumulate merit a little bit, it will gradually bring you closer to the rank up. But if you make 1-2 posts a month, then what merit posts can talk about, without which you will never get a new rank. Theoretically, the more posts you make, the higher the likelihood that you will get more than merit. But there are no guarantees that what you say will be useful to others and positively evaluated by them. So, you have to balance between the activity and the quality of the content in the posts.

I can not say I am the most active member of this forum.  Sometimes I stay off the forum for up to 3 - 4 days.  Yet I so far earned a ton of Merits.  My personal belief is you do not need to necessarily stay 24 out of 7 to earn a Merit.  You will pretty much earn merit about every time you say something that is not nonsense and that is not repeating what others said before you.  It is very often that I reply to a thread and the next 5 replies 'by coincidence' rephrase half of my post to make it seem like they have something to say when they actually do not.

I am capable of betting my life on the idea that as long as you are a REAL member of the forum, as in you are participating for real with your real ideas that actually make sense and add some value to the thread, it is impossible that you never receive a Merit from somebody.

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PrivacyG

Actually the advice I gain always is don't chase the merit instead make your self knowledgeable with the crypto world first by that you can now share information and other important details to help the community by that you can get easily caught the attention of the sources and get merit needed for your rank up. Learning, and sharing is the most ideal thing to do. Don't pressure yourself because the member ranks up immediately we have a different paces of learning.

It really does come down to this "Being Active"

Knowledge is progressive, you gain on it by constantly visiting it. You don't try to lean a thing by staying far off, it's why we practice and in practicing, you gradually build a perfection towards doing whatever you've been practicing about.

We've got several Active users on the forum and still, they don't have any ranks or merits to show for it. Why is that? They've been probably bounty hunting or spamming to the extent they've been known for it and even archived the Wall of shame.
It doesn't mean they aren't good but, they are in ways the forum considers unnecessary. Like, I doubt most regular users on the forum might be able to handle bounty hunting and posting reports the way the bounty hunters do it, except for fbe few that have gone down that lane in the past.

What am I saying, you get better at a thing by repetition and being involved. You do your best to get the most knowledge of it and learn new ways to put it. That would definitely aid you in doing better in the forum.[/list]

Is not hard to rank up. What i know that is the barrier of ranking up to people who lacks of merit and lack of time to make research that will make people to know what they don't know, with such kinds of topic and research that gives education of what you don't know and including the newbies that is new here need to be inform concerning what they don't know, with such kinds of topic people that have smerit will give you merit because of your time used to research and present to people to know. With meaningful response people will give merit that will make you to rank up.

I am not commenting with respect to Op, but I am generalising from experience.
To rank up in the forum, a user need to do the following;

• Be active in the forum: The forum and forum members remember people they see daily. Out of sight is out of mind, you aren't visible for sometimes, it takes supreme power for merits to reach you.
• Possess quality: If you are a quality poster, people will always want to hand out merits to you. People are sometimes skeptical to merit non quality posts, that's why merits tend to flow to them that possess quality
• As much as you can, be friendly with people and avoid trolling. No one is naturally attracted to a troll or a nastic person

Complaining about not ranking up as expected doesn't solve the issue at hand. You have heard different advice from members of the forum. It's now left for you to put it to work. Forget how long you have stayed in this forum, by taking a deep breath to relax and refresh your mind and believe that it's just a matter of time, you would get there(your dream rank) someday with a steady consistent of good posts.
Congrats to full member in advance