Topic: Why not to trade with guaranteed profit? - page 3. (Read 3338 times)

Do you mean me?
Am I shill?
Well, I typed in my first post, please keep of comments that all is scam. It's nothing when you say that x-value is a scam. I think, you are only skeptical one. But it is not good when you are saying that I am a scammer or shill.
Please look again at this thread and find my ref link? Can you see it? Why should I promote another site without ref link? Or do you think is it my site? I would like it to be. But than I would buy advertisements on other sites and did not spend my time on forum with 150 views of the theme.

English is not my first language, but it is stupid to say that I think that you are foolish, because I make a mistakes in my words.

Before your comment, yesterday I put 10 BTC to the x-value.com site. And you are saying I am fool, because Ivan cheated me.

I think, that x-value owners just used different offshore companies for their business and to own a domain. You also forget to note, that it is hosted in NETHERLANDS.

Please, just know that you are totally wrong because of your loser mind.
Yes, you have loser mind.
Because you think that the site is scam, people will lose money, I am bad man who want to make you foolish, and all is going against you.

But, because you are thinking like looser, you can think, that I lie to you. But please, do not post here.
I wanted to discuss the possibility to making money and why one trading system is better or not than another.
And you are just offended me personally, saying THAT I AM OBVIOUS SHILL. Buhaha ))) Yes i am, without my ref link.

Because he is a obvious shill and thinks there are greater fools here. And why is it that the most blatant of scams I see pitched here are always from people speaking broken English?

Just looking at their records make this even more laughable. The contact address listed on their website is in Switzerland for a company called "SM Investment Tools, LLC", but their domain is registered to a German company "OS Comp LTD" with a email address from a free Russian webmail provider "yandex.ru", and the domain registrar is from a Russian company "webnames.ru". The address for the Swiss company actually belongs to "peppi’s deli-cious food" according to Yelp. And the address for the German company actually belongs to "Alliance Virtual Office" which offers "Live Receptionists & Virtual Office Services".

So basically this is some dumb Russian who can't even put up a believable front trying to scam Americans, because he thinks they're dumber than him.

Ivan plz go.

Company Address
https://x-value.com/about

WHOIS DNS Records
http://who.is/whois/x-value.com

Swiss Company Address
http://www.yelp.com/biz/peppis-deli-cious-food-bern

German Company Address
http://www.alliancevirtualoffices.com/DE/wittestrasse-30-k-virtual-office-3127

Well, you are correct -- the last people to join will lose all their money.

The actual risk is unknown -- you do not know the probability
that you will get an increase in your money, or lose it.
Do you even have proof that some people are getting money
back?

Maybe there is 70% chance to make 10% profits and 30% chance
to lose 100%.  That is not good odds.

But the thing is you just don't know.

The bottom line is: why would you risk your money when you don't know the
probabilities?  Then it just becomes a total gamble. 

Thank you for an explanation, but I want to understand.
In case of Ponzi scheme the owner of website pays to old members with the money of new members.
And if there will be no new members, the money of last members will be paid to first members, and last members will lose their money. It is a risk of loosing money. Maybe normal stock trading is same or better than Ponzi.
Why you prefer trading instead of investing in Ponzi?

And ok.

But in case of x-value.com there is not a Ponzi scheme, because you can buy Super Shares in more higher price, than sell. So, that is the type of stock market too.

Do you have any more minds why normal trading is better than trading with guaranteed profit?
Or it is not?

Of course, I am trading always with taking the risks, and never will invest my last money, but I have some free funds to invest and trying to make a decision.

Super shares appears to be what is called a "Ponzi scheme".  What this means is that investors are paid profits from the money of investors who come later.  How else do you think they run such an operation?

There is no magic way to trade with a guaranteed profit.

The closest thing to risk-free investing is to put your money in the bank where you can earn a nominal interest rate.  With a slight risk, you can earn higher returns.  The more risk you take on, the more you can make...but there is always a trade off.  You generally cannot get high return and low risk at the same time. 

There are legitimate way to make your money work for you...they require due diligence and
reasonable expectations.  Again, there is always a balance of risk and reward.

Be real, do not be greedy.

The sooner you can accept and understand this, the better off you will be.

There is always 2 sides on every transaction. If one side is making sure profit, who is going to take the other side of a trade?

I can see lot of guys trading with risks of losing money while trading.
Why not to trade just with shares which price cannot go down? (like super shares on x-value)
I think it's more clever and practical action.

Please write only real answers and thoughts without stupid comments like "It is all a scam".
I want to discuss it with users who tried some trade platforms like cryptsy, x-value or even forex. Admins of sites like DICEs please do not post here without describing your mind constructively.