Why Online Slots Are Not Provably fair?

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 24, 2024, 11:41:29 PM

Slots have many big providers and of course an experienced gambler who has gambling for long time understand what gambling is and how each game works in gambling will never say about fair or unfair slot games because basically slot games have random algorithm.
No one knows how slot game algorithm works, even casino owners can't really guess or know it because each provider has system that has been set up in such way as to make slot games more difficult to win unless the gambler gets lucky.
So far I also like slot games but have never had any thoughts about slot games that are not proven to be fair, all statements in this context I think are excessive because I think all games in gambling give us lower advantage and we can't go beyond the or beat the game system with random algorithms in the slot with guaranteed.

The benefits of slot games are often developed by developers with a complex algorithm and many gamblers are surprisingly curious about it. Sometimes gamblers win but most of the time they lose. I think slot game is a complex equation and mostly depends on luck. I personally play slot games and win occasionally but I blame my luck as the losing rate is relatively high as well as my lack of experience and the complex equations involved can lead gamblers to lose.

If you talk about winning in gambling based on fairness, it will never work in your favor because systematic gambling is built on luck over experience. So rather than increasing my experience with slot games I tend to continue playing with my luck when I play them even though I tempt myself not to overplay and be realistic in controlling emotions.

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Slots have many big providers and of course an experienced gambler who has gambling for long time understand what gambling is and how each game works in gambling will never say about fair or unfair slot games because basically slot games have random algorithm.
No one knows how slot game algorithm works, even casino owners can't really guess or know it because each provider has system that has been set up in such way as to make slot games more difficult to win unless the gambler gets lucky.
So far I also like slot games but have never had any thoughts about slot games that are not proven to be fair, all statements in this context I think are excessive because I think all games in gambling give us lower advantage and we can't go beyond the or beat the game system with random algorithms in the slot with guaranteed.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 07:14:54 AM

Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.

I believe because they already have its user base let's say pragmatic now already has 580+ games crypto ready and who doesn't know about their popular game like Gates of Olympus and Sweet Bonanza, because of that they focused to other thing while that you said BGaming is fair but they already born 2018 and have 100 ish game maybe they still want to build it user base.

Why Online Slots Are Not Provably fair? haha I dont know frenn gambling is just different

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Quote from: irsykes on September 24, 2024, 10:19:10 AM

slot games do not need strategy or tricks in my opinion it is true that slot games are just a matter of luck. The RTP of the game is not a guarantee that a big win will come. because the concept of a different algorithm slot, just waiting for the time given a big win will happen. but no one knows because they control the machine. there will be time lost and everything will come back

When our luck come, we will win, that is for sure. So rather than we search and try to verify the game which need time, it is better we try to enjoy the game. That will give us excitement playing slot game because that is also our reason to spend our time in gambling. We don't need to bother to verify the game especially if we play gambling in a reputable casino because they will not do anything suspicious or cheat their members because that can affect to their reputation. When we can enjoy our time in gambling, maybe that can attract our lucky to come and gives us the win so we don't have to think much about the games and just relax by spin the button.

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It seems pretty normal for online slots not to be provably fair. We can still consider crypto casinos as traditional casinos since most of them are licensed and monitored by regulators.

The thing is, if we decide to play these types of games, we really need to trust the casino (make sure to choose reputable ones) and rely on third-party audits to do their job properly. As for the regulators, their main focus is just ensuring that the casino gets a license and that third-party audits are carried out. Unfortunately, gamblers don’t really have a way to verify the outcome of our bets because of how the system works. With games like dice, you can, but slots are a different story.

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Quote from: leonair on September 24, 2024, 03:20:53 PM

In slots games, an invisible machine gambles with you. And I can say that you just bet blindly on Win Expectation because I don't see any way to predict here. It can only be tracked how many wins they give after losses most of the time. But even tracking it doesn't help much. Because of this, it is completely up to luck to win in slots games. But it's a lot of fun to play as there are occasional big unbelievable wins here. This is the specialty of slots game. Those who can win here because of a good luck think slots game is fair. But for those who don't have good luck and always lose I think it's not fair

Betting on a type of slot game blindly will be very difficult to get a win and it's true as you said in the slot game we can't predict the course of the game and we can only enjoy the game but only luck will be able to win the bet but when playing this type of bet it is very important for us to be able to control our emotions so as not to place a large amount of bets if we don't want the game to end quickly but we can place the amount of bet according to the funds we have and still enjoy every round and it's true as you said those who have more luck and win their bets on slots will certainly think it is very fair because they have often won but when I myself play slots I experience more defeats even though there are some victories after the many defeats I have experienced.

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Quote from: panjul07 on September 24, 2024, 11:30:16 AM

I dont think most players will care about it because as what we can see ourselves that slot games are played by so many people even though there is no provably fair system.

Yes, that's, because inasmuch as other gamblers have gambled on the same slot games by these providers and won huge, it will be literally hard for them to believe these games aren't probably fairly, which is what gambling is all about, as you can either win big or lose big, depending on how lucky or unlucky you are, since the aspect of luck can never be always be eradicated from it, be it probably fair or not, which is why gambling is seen to be a lucrative industry due house-edge.

Yes, and I think it is very unlikely that gamblers will be so careful about how the game works, and the point is when they lose, there are two things that will happen to the gambler, either admitting that they are unlucky or acting like a loser by behaving impulsively because they cannot accept the fact of losing.

Besides, I don't think you can measure what is meant by unfairness to the game, you won't know that, the casino will know whether the game you are playing is fair or not, because they are the ones who create and manage all the systems in the game, only luck can help you.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 07:14:54 AM

I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong). As per my research, only BGaming (among the top 10 slot providers) allows you to verify slot outcomes using provably fair technology. Most of them claim to have third-party verification, but there is no way for a player to verify. Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.
I mean, there is a widespread belief that online slots are rigged, but no one says that about dice games because of provably fair technology, so why not do the same for slots? I am not saying third-party test labs are not doing their jobs; all I am saying is that there is no way for a player to verify (which could easily be done using provably fair technology), so why not have both? Or am I asking too much? Grin

. I mean, come on, we all had this feeling;

Is it interesting that websites or platforms provide a form of verification? Yes!
Is it really necessary for them to do this? No!

I'll tell you something... very few people really care about checking their bets. Most just want to play and never check whether they are actually playing fair or being robbed, or they don't know how to do it to the point of being sure that the bet is really correct. Even those people who do care about this will never check all the bets they have made because it would be very annoying and time-consuming.

On the other hand, do you believe that casinos really need to steal in order to make money? Understand that you are playing against the odds and not against the casino. It doesn't need to steal from you, it just needs to wait for you to keep playing, and the odds will take care of emptying your wallet if players don't know how to control their bankroll.

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Quote from: the rise on September 24, 2024, 12:13:51 PM

There is still a lot we don't know about how slot operations work, so it's hard to say whether it's fair or unfair...

The player has little chance to check this and it remains to be hoped that the casino will conduct its business honestly towards the player, giving him a chance to win. So in this case, the main thing when choosing a casino should be its reputation.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 07:14:54 AM

I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong). As per my research, only BGaming (among the top 10 slot providers) allows you to verify slot outcomes using provably fair technology. Most of them claim to have third-party verification, but there is no way for a player to verify. Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.
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Yes, a few weeks ago I also asked this kind of question in our local section because here in our country, most of the gambling games that playing of my fellow countrymen also come from 3rd party providers, and these 3rd party providers, don't provide the ability to check the and verify provably fair technology. The slot game inside of BCGaming does not use 3rd party providers like Pragmatic so for me, that's better if you want to verify the provably fair.

This is also the reason why I'm not a fan of playing in 3rd party providers because you can't verify the provably fair.

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Because slots players have ridiculous standards.
They will play games that look flashy or have their favorite heroes but won't care at all if a game is rigged or not. The slots gambler is a different breed from the crypto gambler and many people came into crypto gambling just becsuse of slots now also so it's starting to change as well.
.back in the day provable fairness was everything, but the crazy way slots are marketed changed this.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2024, 11:36:32 AM

Quote from: retreat on September 24, 2024, 11:24:55 AM

Most of the players just think about playing the game without thinking about such complicated things - if they win, then it's their luck, and if they lose then it's their bad luck - that's usually the thinking of slot players. And moreover, aren't operators unfair from the start? I mean, they have a house edge, meaning no matter how you play, they will win. That's why I don't want to think too far to question the fairness or not of the casino I play because whatever casino it is, they have a house edge and they are the ones who always win compared to the gamblers.

Yes, the casino has an advantage over the gambler, but that does not mean that all their operations are conducted honestly, so some people and want the process of the game was more transparent. I quite understand such people although I myself I am not very interested in this as I try to play only in casinos with a good reputation. You could say that I take their word for it. The desires of such people are quite understandable, as they are used to full transparency in the cryptocurrency sphere, so they demand that casinos have the ability to provide evidence of fair play.

Thats why we do really have those hash verification if ever you do have some doubts specially on dice/crash games or other luck related types of games but if we do speak about slots
then there's no way that you could be able to verify the fairness of those slot games on which those codes are internal and not something that could be shown in public for it to be verified.

We've seen some new threads recent ago that a certain site/platform and its provider had been fined for $19k just because of the slot game which the winning percentage or odds is 0.
On which it did really result that to those players who do make out such play or engagement didnt able to win up even a single and this what raises up the concern and petition on which
it do ends up that the code been set is really that not right.

People will really be able to distinguish it out but in overall the house would really be always have the advantage. They are the winners in the end of the line.
One of the reasons on why i dont really find myself that getting interested too much with slot games because of that very slim chance on winning up or being profitable.

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When you play slots then you must be aware that the probability of losing will be much greater than the gain so why talk about justice in this case because after all this is gambling and we only expect luck in this case.

We as gamblers must be aware that such consequences and there will be no justice in any form when playing gambling because it is necessary to realize that gambling games are only as our satisfaction to test how lucky we are in the round that is done. Especially when talking about slots.

The choice is simple actually when you feel unfair then don't play and switch to another gambling game because for gambling not only slots are interesting but there are still many games that can be done that might be fair in your view.

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Quote from: Zadicar on September 24, 2024, 02:09:00 PM

Playing gambling was never meant to make money in the first place. If you do tend to have that kind of perception or approach that you could be able to win up and make yourself rich
then you are really that bound on trying to wreck up your life because of gambling and this is something that you should realize in the first place. Online slots are not provably fair?
Of course they would really be always have the edge on which you would really be losing more the longer you do play and this is something thats normal. Somehow there would really be
those instances or situations on which a gambler could be able to hit up a jackpot or big amount and thats why on the moment that this thing happens then you should really know on when
to take profits and secure it out.

Most gamblers intend that they want to make a profit from gambling. Excluding those who keep deceiving themselves that they are into gambling for fun. But anyone with the mindset of gambling to get rich or with the assurance that their financial level will be disappointed in the end. Gambling should be an activity we do sometimes not because we rely on it to give us the money that we would use for our daily expenses or to make wealth but because it will serve as an aid to what we need money for.

To be safer, we should be fully hopeful in gambling no matter how good we are and how long we take to analyze every game we choose before gambling. It is strictly based on luck which is why we should expect that the game might be lost or won. I still don't like slot games because i feel they are more manipulated compared to other games in the casino platform.

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Casino games cannot willy-nilly decide how fair a game can or cannot be. There are rules and regulations in place that dictate the terms under which casinos must operate. But these terms can be different for different countries.

As I understand it, the casinos are always being checked for fairness.

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 24, 2024, 03:17:38 PM

I don’t think you can make the statement that online slots are or aren’t provably fair. There are so many different options that are no doubt all different in the way they determine winners and losers. Some are likely not operating fairly while others are proven to be fair to their players. Just do your research if you’re concerned about it.

Casinos that do not operate fairly are illegal casinos that are not regulated by regulators and do not receive any audits, so the illegal casinos can cheat players.

Meanwhile, casinos that are legal and get independent audits periodically provide RTP (Return to Player) in accordance with regulatory provisions so that players can get the opportunities they deserve.

Many illegal casinos do manipulate the RTP that they apply, so it will be more profitable for illegal casinos such as in slot games that are already programmed for bigger casino winnings.

The average RTP usage for Legal casinos that have been audited in accordance with regulations is above 95%,
such as Rollbit casinos, Roobet, stakes etc.

Rollbit:
- Sweet Bonanza with an RTP of 96.51%.
- Juicy Fruits also has an RTP of 96.51%.
- Fruit Party with an RTP of 96.47%.
- Roulette has an RTP of 95%,
- Lightning Roulette from Evolution Gaming has an RTP of 97.10%
https://blog.rollbit.com/house-edge-and-rtp-explained/

Roobet:
- Sweet Bonanza has an RTP of 96.6%)
- Razor Shark has an RTP of 96.7%
- Gates of Olympus has an RTP of 96.5%
Roobet also offers exclusive games and progressive jackpots that are popular with players.
https://www.completesports.com/reviews/roobet/best-slots/

Stakes:
- Big Bad Wolf has an RTP of 97.34%
- The Dog House Megaways has an RTP of 96.55%
- Gonzo's Quest Megaways has an RTP of 95.77%
https://www.completesports.com/reviews/roobet/best-slots/

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I would love to see Pragmatic too offering such way of verifying things as they have gone completely crazy and out of their mind in their latest releases and also in their previous slots you can see that the RTP has drastically decreased for many players in many different casinos, of course they will not add such system as they will be flagged as completely rigged by the majority of gamblers, they don't tell you the hit frequency like No Limit City does and a few others which tells you exactly what to expect like how many wins can you expect out of ten spins for example and you can do your own calculations. You will not find such providers lacking transparency in a brutal way (I don't know what happened to them as they were the provider where you could hit the max win much more easily than any other provider) and things changed exactly after January 2024. I would definitely love to see that system implemented in all major slot providers.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 07:14:54 AM

I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong). As per my research, only BGaming (among the top 10 slot providers) allows you to verify slot outcomes using provably fair technology. Most of them claim to have third-party verification, but there is no way for a player to verify. Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.
I mean, there is a widespread belief that online slots are rigged, but no one says that about dice games because of provably fair technology, so why not do the same for slots? I am not saying third-party test labs are not doing their jobs; all I am saying is that there is no way for a player to verify (which could easily be done using provably fair technology), so why not have both? Or am I asking too much? Grin

. I mean, come on, we all had this feeling;

In slots games, an invisible machine gambles with you. And I can say that you just bet blindly on Win Expectation because I don't see any way to predict here. It can only be tracked how many wins they give after losses most of the time. But even tracking it doesn't help much. Because of this, it is completely up to luck to win in slots games. But it's a lot of fun to play as there are occasional big unbelievable wins here. This is the specialty of slots game. Those who can win here because of a good luck think slots game is fair. But for those who don't have good luck and always lose I think it's not fair

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I don’t think you can make the statement that online slots are or aren’t provably fair. There are so many different options that are no doubt all different in the way they determine winners and losers. Some are likely not operating fairly while others are proven to be fair to their players. Just do your research if you’re concerned about it.

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Quote from: panjul07 on September 24, 2024, 11:30:16 AM

I dont think most players will care about it because as what we can see ourselves that slot games are played by so many people even though there is no provably fair system.

Yes, that's, because inasmuch as other gamblers have gambled on the same slot games by these providers and won huge, it will be literally hard for them to believe these games aren't probably fairly, which is what gambling is all about, as you can either win big or lose big, depending on how lucky or unlucky you are, since the aspect of luck can never be always be eradicated from it, be it probably fair or not, which is why gambling is seen to be a lucrative industry due house-edge.

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