Why Online Slots Are Not Provably fair?

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 24, 2024, 10:41:29 PM

Slots have many big providers and of course an experienced gambler who has gambling for long time understand what gambling is and how each game works in gambling will never say about fair or unfair slot games because basically slot games have random algorithm.
No one knows how slot game algorithm works, even casino owners can't really guess or know it because each provider has system that has been set up in such way as to make slot games more difficult to win unless the gambler gets lucky.
So far I also like slot games but have never had any thoughts about slot games that are not proven to be fair, all statements in this context I think are excessive because I think all games in gambling give us lower advantage and we can't go beyond the or beat the game system with random algorithms in the slot with guaranteed.

Any long time gambler will know that despite the probably faireness in slots and other game's it still depends largely on luck because even if you have the chance to win and the fairness system is in favour of the house it will still end in loses, I think what we really need the harsh txd for is to verify whether or not the casino abuse our right as a player's in the sense that when the game already end with us winning but at the end the casino denied us that winning only then we will have to ask for the game harsh in other to verify the game.

But in most cases, casino's always make it as a right to hold on to such information and at most not all casino provides such info for their customers, since likely the case may not end in their favour.

But then majority's of the gambling sites that are familiar with us here don't really have the system of verification of games after it played to check it probably fairness.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 25, 2024, 01:35:32 AM

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I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong). As per my research, only BGaming (among the top 10 slot providers) allows you to verify slot outcomes using provably fair technology. Most of them claim to have third-party verification, but there is no way for a player to verify. Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.

Do not deceive yourself. All the casinos are operating in a way that gamblers will lose. Have you not been wondering why the casinos included it in their terms and conditions that gamblers should not gamble because they want to make money from gambling. All casinos should be scam to you if you say that majority are scam but I do not see reputed casinos as scam when I know they provide the game for entertainment and they let us know already that we are more likely to lose while gambling.

Yes, it is common knowledge or a fact that gamblers will lose more than they win, and that is why it is always said that the casino will always be the superior party in the gambling scenario, the defeat you experience is not a form of fraud from the casino but rather that is how gambling is unpredictable, the casino has set up all the systems that will make them more profitable than the gamblers.

When you think that the defeat you experience is a fraud carried out by the casino, it means you are a loser, this is why we are always advised to know what we are really facing, never try to jump into the ocean if you don't know how to swim, gambling is for entertainment, everyone says and suggests that.

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Quote from: len01 on September 25, 2024, 03:48:24 AM

Slot have always been a fair game for gamblers who never think about it. Like before when I still often played slot, I just always played and never thought about whether the slot game was proven to be fair, but all I thought about was wanting to keep playing and get a bigger multiplier.
But after playing slots for a long time and starting to think about "fair" I started to leave the slot game slowly. Although not sure how to calculate these things, I prefer to quit. And I'm not saying the slot game is unfair, but I know that the dealer always wins.

Yeah, and you just have to think about this, if you win big, then you will say that the games are fair. But if others lose, they think that it's been rigged or something. Although recently we have seen that a slot machine game was set to 0, meaning that there will not be anyone to win. And so those gamblers who played make a case and then they found out that it was indeed a big mistake by the operator.

Although this case is very rare and I do not think that operators and casinos did it intentionally. And we also know that this is a game of luck. So again, maybe there will be days that we are very lucky and win in our favorite slot games, and days that we are not.

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Quote from: Questat on September 25, 2024, 02:18:11 AM

Quote from: Su-asa on September 24, 2024, 11:25:51 PM

Making money from slot games is quite easy and also losing money is way easier, just like you said they payment system is tempting, with a little amount of money you can make a huge profit just by having a lucky spin but that's what you should expect from casino games they are very unpredictable. there are no strategies to this game, if you think you have a system that works you might just be preparing yourself for disappointments at the end of the day. Casinos games are programmed so endeavor to always gamble reasonably

No system will ever work to beat them, so let’s erase that idea from our minds. Slots are purely luck-based games-you can enjoy them and win if you’re lucky, but don’t treat them too seriously. Instead, shift your focus to skill-based games like poker, blackjack, and sports betting.

You can’t question the system-slots are never provably fair. In fact, I haven’t seen any that are. So if you come across a slot claiming to be provably fair, you should be suspicious because it’s not something you usually find.

Don't know where to find that easy way to earn on slot since chances to lose is more bigger. Its doesn't mean that if there are people winning huge from that the chance for us to hit the same is also high. Its because as stated that slot is always a luck base game. If they are strategic or competitive person then those suggestion you give is really good since with those games they can do good study on how to became more skilled gambler and hit bigger chance to win on skilled based game.

Many people questioned how fair those casinos are. But so far those reputable casino leave some good remarks that their casino is trustable and people could rely on the fairness they implemented. They will not reach that far if everything is questionable for them. But for other new casino for sure lots of questions will be ask and we don't know if we could able to trust them since it all matter on how they handle their community and transparency they provide to their gamblers.

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Slot have always been a fair game for gamblers who never think about it. Like before when I still often played slot, I just always played and never thought about whether the slot game was proven to be fair, but all I thought about was wanting to keep playing and get a bigger multiplier.
But after playing slots for a long time and starting to think about "fair" I started to leave the slot game slowly. Although not sure how to calculate these things, I prefer to quit. And I'm not saying the slot game is unfair, but I know that the dealer always wins.

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Quote from: irsykes on September 24, 2024, 01:38:43 PM

personal experience seeing friends in the environment who often play slot gambling. what I catch material, when repeated defeats to achieve a big win target can happen but do not know it will happen. the dealer system may have historical data on members who lose and win. which prepares the time when a lucky day will occur, but statistically the money back may only be 80%/90%

Yes, just a little addition, most losses in playing slots will occur in the field, but for some reason gamblers still persist in playing which they think that one day their betting money will return easily and multiply because many factors affect each slot gambler.
And it is true that in the slot, the bookies have set a strategy where gamblers will find it very difficult to win and I have heard from the experience of slot gamblers that most of those who win are new gamblers with the aim of creating more interest to keep playing.

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Quote from: Su-asa on September 24, 2024, 11:25:51 PM

Making money from slot games is quite easy and also losing money is way easier, just like you said they payment system is tempting, with a little amount of money you can make a huge profit just by having a lucky spin but that's what you should expect from casino games they are very unpredictable. there are no strategies to this game, if you think you have a system that works you might just be preparing yourself for disappointments at the end of the day. Casinos games are programmed so endeavor to always gamble reasonably

No system will ever work to beat them, so let’s erase that idea from our minds. Slots are purely luck-based games-you can enjoy them and win if you’re lucky, but don’t treat them too seriously. Instead, shift your focus to skill-based games like poker, blackjack, and sports betting.

You can’t question the system-slots are never provably fair. In fact, I haven’t seen any that are. So if you come across a slot claiming to be provably fair, you should be suspicious because it’s not something you usually find.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 06:14:54 AM

I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong). As per my research, only BGaming (among the top 10 slot providers) allows you to verify slot outcomes using provably fair technology. Most of them claim to have third-party verification, but there is no way for a player to verify. Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.

Do not deceive yourself. All the casinos are operating in a way that gamblers will lose. Have you not been wondering why the casinos included it in their terms and conditions that gamblers should not gamble because they want to make money from gambling. All casinos should be scam to you if you say that majority are scam but I do not see reputed casinos as scam when I know they provide the game for entertainment and they let us know already that we are more likely to lose while gambling.

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Quote from: laijsica on September 24, 2024, 11:14:00 PM

The benefits of slot games are often developed by developers with a complex algorithm and many gamblers are surprisingly curious about it. Sometimes gamblers win but most of the time they lose. I think slot game is a complex equation and mostly depends on luck. I personally play slot games and win occasionally but I blame my luck as the losing rate is relatively high as well as my lack of experience and the complex equations involved can lead gamblers to lose.

If you talk about winning in gambling based on fairness, it will never work in your favor because systematic gambling is built on luck over experience. So rather than increasing my experience with slot games I tend to continue playing with my luck when I play them even though I tempt myself not to overplay and be realistic in controlling emotions.

Slot gambling does depend entirely on luck in terms of winning, although there are people out there who believe that they have a strategy or pattern that can make them win, but that does not make them win for sure because only luck will determine the final result. It is true what you said, sometimes slot games can produce profitable wins but most of the time players will only experience defeat rather than victory, because the level of defeat that the player has tends to be greater than the level of winning. Discussing the wins or losses that occur in slot gambling in general is indeed unfair because more defeats occur, but we must see that this is a business that is developed in the form of a game and there are people behind this who build it with the aim of seeking profit, so it is not surprising that players experience defeat more often than victory. We only need to limit the gambling activities that we do so that nothing bad happens.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 06:14:54 AM

I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong).

What's the point of doing this? Such proof is not accessible to every person for understanding. This is its main disadvantage. And by the way, in any case, everything comes from a random number generator. Is the generator really random? This is often far from the case. In general, playing online casinos, in particular slots, is more a matter of trust.
Although this is a subjective opinion. I don't insist on being right.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on September 24, 2024, 07:48:24 AM

Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 06:14:54 AM

Why Online Slots Are Not Provably fair?

Dude, you have to understand that slots are games and slots are gambling, what you expect can lead you to disappointment, that's for sure, you might not believe me if I say that slots are controlled by gambling operators, However you think the slot is fair it is fair, unfair is unfair.

Slot gambling is indeed a type of game that is often played throughout the world, because the payment system is quite tempting, but behind all that we have to understand that slot games are one of the games that often drain users' money, The operators who control slots are really professionals, they know which users are being given justice or which ones they are destroying, my advice is to play slots with medium capacity, don't place bets too high.

Making money from slot games is quite easy and also losing money is way easier, just like you said they payment system is tempting, with a little amount of money you can make a huge profit just by having a lucky spin but that's what you should expect from casino games they are very unpredictable. there are no strategies to this game, if you think you have a system that works you might just be preparing yourself for disappointments at the end of the day. Casinos games are programmed so endeavor to always gamble reasonably

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 24, 2024, 10:41:29 PM

Slots have many big providers and of course an experienced gambler who has gambling for long time understand what gambling is and how each game works in gambling will never say about fair or unfair slot games because basically slot games have random algorithm.
No one knows how slot game algorithm works, even casino owners can't really guess or know it because each provider has system that has been set up in such way as to make slot games more difficult to win unless the gambler gets lucky.
So far I also like slot games but have never had any thoughts about slot games that are not proven to be fair, all statements in this context I think are excessive because I think all games in gambling give us lower advantage and we can't go beyond the or beat the game system with random algorithms in the slot with guaranteed.

The benefits of slot games are often developed by developers with a complex algorithm and many gamblers are surprisingly curious about it. Sometimes gamblers win but most of the time they lose. I think slot game is a complex equation and mostly depends on luck. I personally play slot games and win occasionally but I blame my luck as the losing rate is relatively high as well as my lack of experience and the complex equations involved can lead gamblers to lose.

If you talk about winning in gambling based on fairness, it will never work in your favor because systematic gambling is built on luck over experience. So rather than increasing my experience with slot games I tend to continue playing with my luck when I play them even though I tempt myself not to overplay and be realistic in controlling emotions.

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Slots have many big providers and of course an experienced gambler who has gambling for long time understand what gambling is and how each game works in gambling will never say about fair or unfair slot games because basically slot games have random algorithm.
No one knows how slot game algorithm works, even casino owners can't really guess or know it because each provider has system that has been set up in such way as to make slot games more difficult to win unless the gambler gets lucky.
So far I also like slot games but have never had any thoughts about slot games that are not proven to be fair, all statements in this context I think are excessive because I think all games in gambling give us lower advantage and we can't go beyond the or beat the game system with random algorithms in the slot with guaranteed.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 06:14:54 AM

Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.

I believe because they already have its user base let's say pragmatic now already has 580+ games crypto ready and who doesn't know about their popular game like Gates of Olympus and Sweet Bonanza, because of that they focused to other thing while that you said BGaming is fair but they already born 2018 and have 100 ish game maybe they still want to build it user base.

Why Online Slots Are Not Provably fair? haha I dont know frenn gambling is just different

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Quote from: irsykes on September 24, 2024, 09:19:10 AM

slot games do not need strategy or tricks in my opinion it is true that slot games are just a matter of luck. The RTP of the game is not a guarantee that a big win will come. because the concept of a different algorithm slot, just waiting for the time given a big win will happen. but no one knows because they control the machine. there will be time lost and everything will come back

When our luck come, we will win, that is for sure. So rather than we search and try to verify the game which need time, it is better we try to enjoy the game. That will give us excitement playing slot game because that is also our reason to spend our time in gambling. We don't need to bother to verify the game especially if we play gambling in a reputable casino because they will not do anything suspicious or cheat their members because that can affect to their reputation. When we can enjoy our time in gambling, maybe that can attract our lucky to come and gives us the win so we don't have to think much about the games and just relax by spin the button.

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It seems pretty normal for online slots not to be provably fair. We can still consider crypto casinos as traditional casinos since most of them are licensed and monitored by regulators.

The thing is, if we decide to play these types of games, we really need to trust the casino (make sure to choose reputable ones) and rely on third-party audits to do their job properly. As for the regulators, their main focus is just ensuring that the casino gets a license and that third-party audits are carried out. Unfortunately, gamblers don’t really have a way to verify the outcome of our bets because of how the system works. With games like dice, you can, but slots are a different story.

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Quote from: leonair on September 24, 2024, 02:20:53 PM

In slots games, an invisible machine gambles with you. And I can say that you just bet blindly on Win Expectation because I don't see any way to predict here. It can only be tracked how many wins they give after losses most of the time. But even tracking it doesn't help much. Because of this, it is completely up to luck to win in slots games. But it's a lot of fun to play as there are occasional big unbelievable wins here. This is the specialty of slots game. Those who can win here because of a good luck think slots game is fair. But for those who don't have good luck and always lose I think it's not fair

Betting on a type of slot game blindly will be very difficult to get a win and it's true as you said in the slot game we can't predict the course of the game and we can only enjoy the game but only luck will be able to win the bet but when playing this type of bet it is very important for us to be able to control our emotions so as not to place a large amount of bets if we don't want the game to end quickly but we can place the amount of bet according to the funds we have and still enjoy every round and it's true as you said those who have more luck and win their bets on slots will certainly think it is very fair because they have often won but when I myself play slots I experience more defeats even though there are some victories after the many defeats I have experienced.

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Quote from: panjul07 on September 24, 2024, 10:30:16 AM

I dont think most players will care about it because as what we can see ourselves that slot games are played by so many people even though there is no provably fair system.

Yes, that's, because inasmuch as other gamblers have gambled on the same slot games by these providers and won huge, it will be literally hard for them to believe these games aren't probably fairly, which is what gambling is all about, as you can either win big or lose big, depending on how lucky or unlucky you are, since the aspect of luck can never be always be eradicated from it, be it probably fair or not, which is why gambling is seen to be a lucrative industry due house-edge.

Yes, and I think it is very unlikely that gamblers will be so careful about how the game works, and the point is when they lose, there are two things that will happen to the gambler, either admitting that they are unlucky or acting like a loser by behaving impulsively because they cannot accept the fact of losing.

Besides, I don't think you can measure what is meant by unfairness to the game, you won't know that, the casino will know whether the game you are playing is fair or not, because they are the ones who create and manage all the systems in the game, only luck can help you.

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Quote from: memehunter on September 24, 2024, 06:14:54 AM

I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong). As per my research, only BGaming (among the top 10 slot providers) allows you to verify slot outcomes using provably fair technology. Most of them claim to have third-party verification, but there is no way for a player to verify. Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.
I mean, there is a widespread belief that online slots are rigged, but no one says that about dice games because of provably fair technology, so why not do the same for slots? I am not saying third-party test labs are not doing their jobs; all I am saying is that there is no way for a player to verify (which could easily be done using provably fair technology), so why not have both? Or am I asking too much? Grin

. I mean, come on, we all had this feeling;

Is it interesting that websites or platforms provide a form of verification? Yes!
Is it really necessary for them to do this? No!

I'll tell you something... very few people really care about checking their bets. Most just want to play and never check whether they are actually playing fair or being robbed, or they don't know how to do it to the point of being sure that the bet is really correct. Even those people who do care about this will never check all the bets they have made because it would be very annoying and time-consuming.

On the other hand, do you believe that casinos really need to steal in order to make money? Understand that you are playing against the odds and not against the casino. It doesn't need to steal from you, it just needs to wait for you to keep playing, and the odds will take care of emptying your wallet if players don't know how to control their bankroll.

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Quote from: the rise on September 24, 2024, 11:13:51 AM

There is still a lot we don't know about how slot operations work, so it's hard to say whether it's fair or unfair...

The player has little chance to check this and it remains to be hoped that the casino will conduct its business honestly towards the player, giving him a chance to win. So in this case, the main thing when choosing a casino should be its reputation.

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