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Quote from: panganib999 on December 09, 2023, 04:47:23 PM

The ban on mixers in this forum doesn't help either. I just wish something amicable is taken so mixers are still able to advertise themselves in this forum, especially long running ones who have proven time and time again that they are not on the side of those that break the law.

the forum has no choice in the matter

what you dont realise is this forum is a service in the US jurisdiction meaning US law
when there are regulations involved. these cannot be ignored. as it can involve court orders, and if ignored.. court dates, fines, prison for not complying

what i believe to have happened is the Mixer owners that purposefully and in full knowledge processed sanctioned/illicit funds for a fee and got caught and charged, triggered regulators to want to gather any and all evidence about that charged suspects activities, and with them having a account on this forum promoting mixers, the task force then requested any and all information on this forum about that account holders activity..
(well thats what logic and common sense would suggest as natural chain of events of a mixer operator being caught and charged for facilitating illegal funds)

secondary to this any private or public communications or commissioned promotions with other users would then trigger those other users details to need to be investigated and collected too.. and so on

so to avoid all these legal orders requesting data on users.. its simple and much better to not advertise things that have legal ramifications

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Quote from: NotATether on December 07, 2023, 01:53:43 AM

[the all caps is just to get attention, this is not a rant.]

In case you missed the news, Ocean Mining ran by Jack Dorsey, luke-jr, Giacommo Zummo and some other folks are refusing to mine Samourai whirlpool transactions. But this thread is not about that. This thread is about this tweet:

Why do people think that coordinators, mixers, coinjoin software, etc. have something to hide?

Would you sow anyone your bank account transactions just because they want to see? Is it any of their business?

People are not taking their blockchain privacy seriously enough. It wasn't too long ago that FTX users' financials were exposed in a hack!

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While I share your sentiments regarding this mixer issue, since I've been in the industry for years now and have been an enjoyer of such services in the past. I think the crackdown on mixers right now is a little on the extreme even if they were being used by hackers/scammers to clean their money and all that shit, since at the end of the day all that they really do is make sure that your money is untraceable, to keep those same nosy people from ever having a hold of your information.

The ban on mixers in this forum doesn't help either. I just wish something amicable is taken so mixers are still able to advertise themselves in this forum, especially long running ones who have proven time and time again that they are not on the side of those that break the law.

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It's true there's many examples of rich ppl who haven't flaunted wealth in social media they don't have showing off illnesses but some ppl try to get fame when they don't have talent or money. I'd say if you'll put enough info in the open ppl with bad intentions are going to cause tough damage. If ppl keep private lives away from showing it online they'll have less chance of harm by baddies. If you're telling ppl about how much crypto you've got you're inviting scammers to get to you.

Quote from: taufik123 on December 09, 2023, 11:56:31 AM

Such show-off illnesses are called narcissistic so they feel proud to tell what they have even if dealing with their privacy.
They want to always be praised for their accomplishments, so they tell them how much money they have and so on.

It is easier to get crucial information through social media, and this will threaten its users.
But they never realize, especially with many crypto assets will certainly always be targeted for spamming,
phishing and other methods so that they fall into the trap and lose the crypto assets.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 09, 2023, 08:26:04 AM

Mixers aren't a solution but privacy coins like XMR could be if they aren't removed from centralised exchanges.

I am having a hard time understanding this sentence, Monero is surely great for privacy, but anything you do in a centralized exchange is not private. Centralized exchanges are data farms, so they have your data and you have no privacy when you use them.

Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 09, 2023, 08:26:04 AM

Where's El Salvador standing on mixers?

BTC is a legal tender in El Salvador, so they aren't going to have any problem with mixers, but it does not matter because that is not where the 'market' is for mixers. Mixers have a bigger market in the U.S. and the government is hostile to privacy solutions.

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Quote from: NotATether on December 07, 2023, 01:53:43 AM

People are not taking their blockchain privacy seriously enough. It wasn't too long ago that FTX users' financials were exposed in a hack!

The folks who are in this category are more of those who haven't had an experience with an attempted or an actual security breach on their wallets. Which is why when we tell them to avoid, address reuse, they ignore us. When we tell them to avoid centralized exchanges because of the KYC requirements and identity exposure risk, they ignore us. With regards to CoinJoin, although they provide a degree of privacy, it is not sufficient. There's a need for further advancements like zero-knowledge proofs and confidential transactions to encrypt payment amounts and enhance privacy.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 09, 2023, 06:45:07 AM

I won't say it isn't crazy I'd say it's an acute illness when ppl go to tiktok or facebook talking about their savings or publishing their banking. It's a different situation if you're sharing info which isn't plainly private but it's true ppl should keep boundaries or else they'll open themselves to ppl with evil ideas.

Such show-off illnesses are called narcissistic so they feel proud to tell what they have even if dealing with their privacy.
They want to always be praised for their accomplishments, so they tell them how much money they have and so on.

It is easier to get crucial information through social media, and this will threaten its users.
But they never realize, especially with many crypto assets will certainly always be targeted for spamming,
phishing and other methods so that they fall into the trap and lose the crypto assets.

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I heard that on a number of occasions. Show us your bank statement, inside of your house, browsing history, shopping history, hard drive content... That's unless you have something to hide. Only criminals have, so if you don't want to be called a criminal you better cooperate. Fuck that.

Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 09, 2023, 08:26:04 AM

Mixers aren't a solution

Why? They work pretty good, whichj is why they're being attacked.

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but privacy coins like XMR could be if they aren't removed from centralised exchanges.

That's right "if." If I had a doctorate, I would have been a doctor...

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Quote from: shield132 on December 07, 2023, 03:46:19 AM

People don't care about privacy, as simple as ABC.
Today you'll see people who post on their facebook when they eat, where they eat, with whom their eat. They also post other their activities, what they watch, where they plan to go. You can see that millions of people post that on public. Then there we have Instagram where people post their almost nude photos, some of them even post their nude photos and upload their private intimate lives. So, tell me why do you expect from people to take care of their privacy when they use bitcoin for making transactions? Majority of bitcoin users don't even use it for the purpose of getting rid of 3rd parties and improving privacy, they use it because it's a good and cool way to earn money.

Nowadays some of us posted some of our private informations on social media as we all know that it's too risky when we are posting where we usually hangout with our friends . Cause if scammers know all our information and all the places where we usually find then there's a big chance that scammer will copy some of or identity then scam many people using our profile and we will shock that why other people complain about indentity.

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Mixers aren't a solution but privacy coins like XMR could be if they aren't removed from centralised exchanges. Where's El Salvador standing on mixers?

If ppl continue to use those companies they're allowing their info to be given. Are you going to propose solutions because we know we're facing a losing battle against big companies. It doesn't stop ppl from using them that's unacceptable but they do it. Where's their info being sent?

Quote from: Bureau on December 09, 2023, 07:51:24 AM

I agree with you that the government routinely violates our privacy as do big companies like Google, Meta, and Bank. What I do not agree with you about is financial privacy as using it terrorists, rouge nations, and politicians are busy creating a world where the life of every human is at risk. The creator of Bitcoin allowed transaction transparency but the lust for fiat made us part of the KYC campaign of CEX.

Mixers are not that solution and they cannot be as the only option as per my understanding is to make Bitcoin a people's money. Only a few countries are available where vendors accept Bitcoin and only one country has now made Bitcoin a legal tender. Do you think a person living in El Salvador would need a mixer? Your suggestion does not make sense if you are a true believer in Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on December 09, 2023, 06:54:30 AM

In their pursuit of transparency, governments routinely violate privacy rights. They portray financial privacy as suspicious, implying that "nothing to hide" negates privacy. Crypto now faces centralization issues. Crackdown on centralized mixers? A red flag warns of a future without privacy.

Dont underestimate Bitcoin's resilience. It began with a desire for financial independence and freedom from monitoring. Yes, the trip is rocky, but Bitcoin is decentralized at its core. Cryptocommunity must promote this principle. The war for privacy is both internal and external, to educate and redefine the narrative. Privacy is the right to regulate what we reveal and to whom. This conflict isnt done; its changing.

I agree with you that the government routinely violates our privacy as do big companies like Google, Meta, and Bank. What I do not agree with you about is financial privacy as using it terrorists, rouge nations, and politicians are busy creating a world where the life of every human is at risk. The creator of Bitcoin allowed transaction transparency but the lust for fiat made us part of the KYC campaign of CEX.

Mixers are not that solution and they cannot be as the only option as per my understanding is to make Bitcoin a people's money. Only a few countries are available where vendors accept Bitcoin and only one country has now made Bitcoin a legal tender. Do you think a person living in El Salvador would need a mixer? Your suggestion does not make sense if you are a true believer in Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Abiky on December 08, 2023, 07:01:37 AM

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Privacy seems to be non achievable day by day due to a lot of factors but an average Joe who lives paycheck to paycheck doesn't take it seriously because even if someone finds their identity they have nothing to lose from there.

Also, Ignorance and Influence lead to a myth that if someone is trying to hide something means it's related to illicit/unlawful activities among the people.

We can blame governments for this. They've spread false propaganda, making the public believe privacy is a very bad thing. When you hide your financial activity, it could bring suspicion. That's why most people don't care about privacy, often claiming they "have nothing to hide". A pity, because this will lead crypto towards more centralization in the long run.

Governments will not only be able to see your entire financial history, but also be able to determine which transactions go through and which get frozen due to suspicious acitvity (via centralized exchanges). If we had privacy, this would've been almost impossible to achieve. It seems to me that crypto/Blockchain tech is heading into a dark future. You can see what I mean with the recent crackdown of centralized mixers. Who knows if privacy ends up being abolished by mainstream governments in the long run? Sad

In their pursuit of transparency, governments routinely violate privacy rights. They portray financial privacy as suspicious, implying that "nothing to hide" negates privacy. Crypto now faces centralization issues. Crackdown on centralized mixers? A red flag warns of a future without privacy.

Dont underestimate Bitcoin's resilience. It began with a desire for financial independence and freedom from monitoring. Yes, the trip is rocky, but Bitcoin is decentralized at its core. Cryptocommunity must promote this principle. The war for privacy is both internal and external, to educate and redefine the narrative. Privacy is the right to regulate what we reveal and to whom. This conflict isnt done; its changing.

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I won't say it isn't crazy I'd say it's an acute illness when ppl go to tiktok or facebook talking about their savings or publishing their banking. It's a different situation if you're sharing info which isn't plainly private but it's true ppl should keep boundaries or else they'll open themselves to ppl with evil ideas.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 08, 2023, 09:31:46 PM

It's a fact of life. When ppl start using new tech or when they're becoming normalised they stop worrying about what's normal. If their privacy isn't a priority because other ppl start sharing every part of their life online they do what other ppl do. I don't agree with what they're doing it but it becomes normal.

That's even above normal, although it doesn't attach importance to privacy, at least there are some restrictions that shouldn't be violated.
When someone shares a bank transaction they make, telling them how much money they have in savings, it's an acute illness because it shows off what no one else really needs to know.

Me and the people around me like to share everything I do every day, but I keep the boundaries about privacy that I can't publish.
It is a boundary that will provide a sense of security from people who have evil intentions.

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Quote from: Raflesia on December 08, 2023, 01:38:18 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 07, 2023, 06:33:15 PM

if you do want to preserve your privacy, better not use these social media platforms or not share any of vital personal transactions. in most cases, it is the user himself subjecting himself to potential threats of scamming and the likes.
and they will only be cautious once they have been a victim of online fraud.

I dont think so because IMO in the end it depends on our intentions and purpose of playing social media because not everyone who plays social media does not mean to show themselves and eliminate their anonymity that has been maintained before.
It's just that I still feel it's about how we behave because after all, things like this are the attitudes and traits we have. If in the end we like to make ourselves seem glamorous or show the assets we have even though they don't play social media, there must be another situation that makes them show off that they are part of a bitcoin investor with a large portfolio.
I have encountered quite a few people I know like this where they don't even hesitate to show themselves and the portfolios they have just to attract someone's interest to look at them.

I feel like the biggest usage is for that reason, doesn't mean "all" does that, but it's usually that reason and that's the most important part. You may not use it that way, but 99% of the world uses it that way and that means we d olive in a world where privacy is not that much cared anymore. Like I always say, if your privacy doesn't worth anything to you, then others breaching it shouldn't be a problem for you.

Anyone who willingly puts a selfie or group photo at instagram, can't be bothered when they get a spam mail, one is much more privacy oriented then the other, your mail is nothing you are giving away your face for free. This doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want with it, it just means that we are talking about a situation that would be just willing by the people and that's much more important. I get that some people can't understand why others are so freely giving their privacy away, but you also have to see that as the world we live in.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 08, 2023, 09:31:46 PM

It's a fact of life. When ppl start using new tech or when they're becoming normalised they stop worrying about what's normal. If their privacy isn't a priority because other ppl start sharing every part of their life online they do what other ppl do. I don't agree with what they're doing it but it becomes normal.

That's even above normal, although it doesn't attach importance to privacy, at least there are some restrictions that shouldn't be violated.
When someone shares a bank transaction they make, telling them how much money they have in savings, it's an acute illness because it shows off what no one else really needs to know.

Me and the people around me like to share everything I do every day, but I keep the boundaries about privacy that I can't publish.
It is a boundary that will provide a sense of security from people who have evil intentions.

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It's a fact of life. When ppl start using new tech or when they're becoming normalised they stop worrying about what's normal. If their privacy isn't a priority because other ppl start sharing every part of their life online they do what other ppl do. I don't agree with what they're doing it but it becomes normal.

Quote from: btc78 on December 08, 2023, 06:17:53 PM

in today’s age where everyone feels comfortable sharing everything on the internet, it’s no surprise that they would not find sharing their bank transactions online disturbing

people share their names, contact information and addresses everywhere the lack in value of privacy has been significant more than ever in the digital age

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Quote from: NotATether on December 07, 2023, 01:53:43 AM

Why do people think that coordinators, mixers, coinjoin software, etc. have something to hide?

Because they allow people who have something to hide to use their services and also profit from them. At same time it's a category of service which benefit common individuals seeking for privacy, it also enables criminals to run their schemes.

Quote from: NotATether on December 07, 2023, 01:53:43 AM

Would you sow anyone your bank account transactions just because they want to see? Is it any of their business?

Of course not, but we live in a centralized society where there are rules and regulations to be followed. And we don't have enough power to go against such determinations enforced by authorities. If they want to see our history of transactions, we have to show them or face the consequences for breaking the rules...

Quote from: NotATether on December 07, 2023, 01:53:43 AM

People are not taking their blockchain privacy seriously enough.

Total privacy is an illusion. We don't even know what technology governments currently have under their disposal to spy us. The best to do is to have nothing to hide, always! Then, there will be nothing to be used against you!

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in today’s age where everyone feels comfortable sharing everything on the internet, it’s no surprise that they would not find sharing their bank transactions online disturbing

people share their names, contact information and addresses everywhere the lack in value of privacy has been significant more than ever in the digital age

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Quote from: NotATether on December 07, 2023, 01:53:43 AM

Why do people think that coordinators, mixers, coinjoin software, etc. have something to hide?

Because people are fed with conspiracy and lies by the government? Well, I am not saying that the government is fully wrong on this account, there are indeed transactions that go through mixers and other cryptocurrency processors that are used for bad things, but the government is too biased about this. Like, it is ok if fiat is used for such kinds of activities but cryptocurrency should not.

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Would you sow anyone your bank account transactions just because they want to see? Is it any of their business?

I think it is not like that, we don't show our Bitcoin transactions when someone asks it even though we all know that the Bitcoin blockchain is transparent.

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People are not taking their blockchain privacy seriously enough. It wasn't too long ago that FTX users' financials were exposed in a hack!

Have we not talked about privacy for many years now? If we search the forum about such threads, we can find many... But mixers and other trace-erasing applications are different things. These services are okay for us, but in the eyes of the authorities who want to take control of everything, that is taboo.

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It isn't a coincidence privacy in crypto's getting harder.

Why send mixed funds to Binance? Who reads signing up agreements after they've downloaded apps or installed software? If Binance asks customers where their funds came from they've got to be ready for it being flagged so it's better they use other exchanges.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 08, 2023, 05:01:24 PM

Nowadays, protecting our privacy is becoming harder. Centralised organisations think those who want to protect privacy are involved in illegal business. It's regrettable that even centralised exchanges are not accepting funds from those who mixed their coins in various ways. Someone informed me a few days ago that Binance asked him to show them where the transaction came from. That fund actually came from a mixer, and Binance flagged it. I am just curious why centralised exchanges even need to bother with where funds came from if there are no hacking stories related to them. Cryptocurrency is becoming centralised day by day, making it hard to protect our privacy.

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Some folks are so nonchalant about this. Somehow, because they feel they have nothing to hide then the whole world should know stuff about my private life.
The fact that you have nothing to hide doesn't mean people are not trying to cause you harm. Hackers are always on the lookout for the next victim and showing the whole world your transaction history just makes it easier for them to choose who to target.

The traditional system has sold the lie of "your funds are safe with us" so well to an extent that people don't even see the need for Bitcoin, its anonymity and privacy
Asking someone who doesn't want the whole world to see their transaction history "What do you have to hide" is such a funny thing.

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