Topic: WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING THEIR PRIVACY SERIOUSLY. (Read 881 times)

the issue with this topic is..
many people do care about their privacy and know how to remain private

however there are a small group of "mixer" affiliate/advertisers that think that mixers aid privacy

the reality is that its a known researchable FACT that using mixers invades people privacy because they are put into a watchlist.. thus doing the opposite of aiding privacy
tose who dont want to be watched/logged/investigated should not be using tools that will end up having their utxo's added to watchlists(common sense)

however this group of mixer affiliates do not care about users real privacy, they simply want to fool people into using mixers so that mixers get paid to then pay their advertisers.

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there are many many ways to remain private without advertising yourself to be added to a hotlist of people to follow

I think it's less about the fact that they don't care about their privacy, after all for a regular bloke who wouldn't go out of their own way to create numerous transactions in a day, the current system that the cryptocurrency world is built in is already safe and secure as it is. And as I said, it's less about the lack of care for safety and privacy, and more about the fact that these platforms you mentioned are not only being used for privacy, but to also wash dirty money and obscure hackers and scammers. At the end of the day to the government every sliver of risk is more than enough indication that something deserves to be investigated and if in any case found to be perpetrating such acts, be banned from being used.

It's just the way things go in the land of the free home of the whopper, and some other countries that affiliate themselves with Murica. We got no choice but to really deal with it at this point and in bitcointalk's case, relinquish any affiliation with such platforms to save this site from getting the brunt of the blow as well.

That's what sig campaigns does because ppl are in sigs for money to fill their pockets. They don't keep checks on important things in crypto like helping bitcoin to be free from govt control. If ppl were speaking with one voice they'd advocate strong bitcoin adoption but ppl will stand aside while their privacy's taken away.

Exactly. While most people will avoid decentralized mixers out of fear, that doesn't mean it's the end of the world. There will be a small few using and supporting these services secretly. All that matters is that people obtain financial privacy whenever governments approve it or not. Wasn't the whole point of Bitcoin about eliminating the middleman? Both banks and governments are the anti-thesis of crypto/Blockchain tech.

Most people don't understand this because they're only focused on filling their pockets with money. They let "Wall Street" dictate the rules of the game, instead of letting crypto (particularly Bitcoin) achieve its full potential. I guess greed goes above all else. Governments will continue to increase their surveillance efforts with the hopes of curtailing privacy in the long run. The question is: Will you allow the government to take away your privacy rights?

Illegal acts exist outside of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is just a peer-to-peer network that is decentralized. It's not Bitcion's fault that people are misusing it. The government is afraid that because of its decentralized nature, crime and illegal activities will increase, but this is not the case; illegal activities also happen outside of Bitcoin. The government's main objective is to defame Bitcoin and save its fiat currency; it just wants to defame Bitcoin by making false accusations so that Bitcoin becomes less popular among people and people consider it a useless eco system.
 
And as for Mixer, I think the foundation of Mixcer is based on Anynomus, and now it is said about Mixcer on BitcoinTalk that the US government wants to make KYC mandatory for Mixer, but this is wrong. This government is forcibly interfering in these matters because they don't want people to stop acting like this. It's meant that no one has to do anything without the eyes of their government, but this will not be possible. People know that Bitcoin is a better and more valuable thing.

Indeed, criminals lurk in every corner. Cyber heists, which target banks and show how common theft is, happen all the time. This is not only about Bitcoin; it's also about power in general. Governments are afraid of Bitcoin's promise of freedom, so they often portray it as a place where bad things happen. Why? Because it threatens their power.

Its your right to use mixers for privacy. It gives you power over your own data, which is something that the traditional financial system often takes away. Bitcoin is more than just money; its a sign of defiance against overreach. The government has good reason to be afraid of Bitcoin. It gives people power and freedom that worries old power structures.

We do need to remember, though, that great power comes great duty. Bitcoin isnt a way to hide illegal actions; its a way to free up your money. Some people who abuse it shouldnt take away from its promise.

privacy should be a top priority for everyone. it is a basic human right. privacy is security.

anyone who is attacking privacy is likely in the super rich club helping to push agenda 2030. that fact jack dorsey isn't mining whirlpool blocks tells me he's a paid actor, he's not in the interest of the people. sure he's a great advocate for bitcoin, the way elon is a great advocate for freedom. watch what they do, not what they say.

the reason most people say things like - "I have nothing to hide" "privacy is for criminals" is because there's been trillions of dollars spent to make you think that way. you've been programmed your whole life through your parents, school, TV, hollywood etc. your entire belief system has been installed into you (the matrix).

2023 is the year you think for yourself. you're been deceived beyond belief.

I made a thread here, lots of good replies:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-vs-monero-privacy-as-the-world-becomes-more-dystopian-5474892

I believe there are criminals everywhere, not just in the crypto space. Even banks in  all their  assumed exposure are still been hacked and use funds Catered away  sometimes without trace for a long period of time.

These are just deliberate attacks on bitcoin because it promises freedom from government interference. I love living a private life and if using mixers and other services gives me that satisfaction, then why wouldn't I use it?.

Criminals are everywhere and I believe if any parastatal wants to track fraudulent activities, they can track it, even down to mixers as the case may be and not generalizing about the whole thing being fraud. Bitcoin  supports privacy and people should embrace it. That's freedom which the government doesn't want you to have and are afraid to let you have it.

even human rights do not give the right to privacy where governments cannot audit people.. read it


people have the right to privacy against other people.. but not to the laws of government

and now you know why "anti money laundering and anti terrorism" clauses of keeping public order, welfare and morality allow governments to audit peoples finances

It won't be easy for govts to take over privacy laws. There's human right defender organisations which fight for privacy laws. As a final outcome you'd expect govts to win but it won't be easy. It's going to take years for govts to abolish each law that's supposed to protect our privacies.

I'm sure ppl won't use decentralised mixers if they're banned. Any ppl caught using illegal services will be fined or face jail because they'll be involving themselves with crime so decentralised exchanges could go out of business. That hasn't happened but the future's uncertain.

i am guessing up until, with all the hacking and issues that CEXs encountered throughout the years, still there are so many people storing their funds to the exchange for various reasons. one for example that i've read here in the forum is because of the rising fees, they will give directly their exchange address to save fees in transferring their money. well, that's understandable. but one should frequently check his exchange account as some exchanges will change the address you have. so if you are too late to be notified, you don't know if you can still get the money supposedly going to your account. aside from that, once you received your funds, better convert to whatever coin you want to or fiat, and get out from the exchange. send it to your own wallet where you have total control.

sometimes you need to sacrifice your privacy in order to get your funds in fiat. unless, you can find a trustworthy p2p app without kyc to convert your crypto to your fiat. this is why most crypto users can't escape the privacy thing because if you start using a reputable p2p service, you really need to submit kyc for you to use their services. otherwise, you are subjecting to high risk of being scammed. your choice!

That's dope, Your thoughts regarding privacy make some sense. That people take their funds and keep them in the exchange, and they say that we use the decentralized ecosystem, but according to you, they keep their assets like fiat currency and banking, which is a big stupidity that you are also BTC holders. And if he is also placed in the centralized exchange, then, in my opinion, there can be no more foolishness than this; his example is like making a cat a watchman for meat. Scammers can also steal your funds from exchanges. So it means to take care of yourself. If you have a lot of money, then keeping it in a safe place is called the right privilege.

It means protecting privacy and using hardware wallets instead of centralized exchanges. Exchanges should not be trusted; even if it's Binance, they can't protect your funds either from themselves or from hackers, because just by being online, you can lose your funds if your security arrangements are not strong.

I am not trying to convince anyone, but it is good for people who want to use BTC to understand that it is different from fiat and centralized banks, some people try to use BTC like they are using their fiat bank, they store funds in centralized exchanges, they allow centralized exchanges to control their keys and use their money for fractional reserve scam. I think for such people it may be better for them to go on using fiat 'conveniently', than using BTC in that way, because they would probably lose their funds along the line and blame the network.

That's the problem. A lot of centralized services are dominating crypto and the Internet as we speak. Even when some of these services are KYC-free, they still collect your data by looking into your browsing habits (eg: Facebook). People won't care about privacy as long as they get convenience in return.

With governments hunting down anything that provides privacy/anonymity, the days of personal freedom are over. We'll be heading into a future where surveillance states will dominate the world. Everything you do will be known by the government. There won't be hope if we don't defend our right to privacy. Who knows what surprises we'll find in the long run? 

This is will be a very difficult trend to overcome, over the last decades there has been a very strong push for more convenient services, and now you can acquire almost anything you can imagine by just using your smartphone, and in such environment it is not easy to convince people that they need to let go of some of that convenience so they can attain a higher level of security and privacy, especially when many people feel they do not really have anything to hide.

Not only bitcoiners but hopefully normal people who have digital banks and accounts as well.

I've worked in a service desk environment for quite some time, and I know that a lot of people, including high-ranking members of the organization I support, use passwords that are too common to be guessed immediately. Most even use their work emails to visit some suspicious websites and complain that they are receiving lots of spam emails offering them something. They don't understand that they are easily targetable by a lot of malicious entities out there. Heck, if these guys are careless in handling their work data, I believe they are this way with their personal accounts as well. No mixer, or any other service or software for that matter, can help these guys unless they are properly educated.

A lot of people still ignore privacy because they believe that they can always seek help from authorities in resolving their concerns. In bitcoin and crypto, you can't do that, and you only have yourself to make sure that your property is safe and secure. I understand that mixers offer an avenue to criminals to launder money, but fiat is also used to launder money in large scale way before crypto is invented, so the hate that people give to mixers is kind of biased when the same scenario can be done with fiat money, too.

How can anyone show people their bank account just because they want to see? Its stupid if anyone does this because you are bringing problems for yourself, even if they don't attack you to drain money from you, they can just decide to bounce on you spiritually to deal with you for showing off.

In my country I always have to pretend like I don't have anything, because this is the only way that some bad people can overlook you, thinking you are broke, you just have to pretend along and wear less casual dresses.

Like I told someone today, a rich man is not safe in the circles of many poor people, to really be safe you need to live among rich people like you, that's why in my country the rich people do have their own places that's well guided, like an estate for the rich, no one can go in there without many security men crawling up to your gut.

Bitcoin isn't that popular yet which is why many criminals are not using it in crime already but I doubt this won't be a problem in the future, so its better to keep it to yourself if you are into Bitcoin, pretend like you don't have none.

Choosing convenience over security and privacy is a quick way to lose your funds, but nevertheless so many people do it, and that's why many people lose their funds when an exchange bites the dust or is hacked, they also lose their funds when they expose their seed phrase or their device gets compromised, etc.

This is because too many people store their funds in exchanges because they think it is more convenient than self custody, people also back up their seed phrase in their email account or in their device's notepad, so it would be 'easier' for them to access it, etc. It isn't 'convenience' that matters, but security and privacy, and i wish more bitcoiners understood this.

There are a few reasons why people might not take their privacy seriously.
- Lack of awareness: Many people simply don't understand the importance of privacy, or don't know how to protect their personal information online.
- Convenience: People may be more likely to share their information if it makes their life easier or more convenient. For example, many people sign up for services that require them to share their personal information without fully understanding the implications.
- Misplaced trust: Some people may trust companies or organizations with their personal information without fully understanding the risks involved. This can be especially true for social media platforms, where people may

Platforms like centralized exchanges and services that are data farms, most people don't care about privacy or censorship, they just want BTC to pump so that they can make money, so many people in the network do not care if the government gets some form of control over the network, especially through the miners, we can see that some miners are starting to embrace censorship and by doing so they are attacking BTC and its fungibility. Only few people in the network identify this as a problem, as long as it isn't their tx's that's being censored, then they are fine, all they are concerned about is the next pump in price.