Topic: Why poor people always have more kids? (Read 501 times)

Mostly because they have two problems:

a) They are poor and cannot get a flat screen and a subscription to Netflix, so they need to find something to pass the time.
b) Because in winter they cannot afford turning the heating on, so they need to find a way of heating up the rooms.

So, they are poor, but they are not stupid and can perfectly figure out an activity that is fun and heats up the room. As a side effect, they have kids.

I hope this helps.

Did you say divorce?

Divorce isn't either a legal and/or a realistic option for women in these countries that have problems with unwanted pregnancies. In other words, either divorce is practically speaking impossible for millions of women in these countries, or it's outright illegal. So men don't have to give a shit about divorce, which changes their outlook completely.

And without the option of divorce, men can (and do) repeatedly rape their spouses. And then those same countries tend to shun and/or outlaw birth control, and shun and/or outlaw abortion.

So basically women are being forced by men to have babies whether they want them or not.

If you want your country to have developed-country birth statistics, then give your country developed-country laws protecting women's rights.

It's as simple as that.

Some of those poor people only think too much and the only way of eating off thinking off their mind is either by taking lots of alcohol and mostly sex and they do it without thinking of the situation at hand, no job too is another factor. When you stay at home doing nothing what is expected of someone who have a woman at him? The man must try not to lose her to other men and by doing so is to give her the pleasure she deserves. Being a poor man is not easy, but what I think can help is if the man is busy then the children at home won't be much because he will be thinking of how to take care of the ones at home and not multiple to his problems.

You could probably come up with a lot of reasons why poor people have more kids on average. For example, birth control isn’t free, neither is higher education. Also, the small incentives for having children are much more meaningful to the poor. In the end though, I’d say being rich teaches you how to protect your wealth and nothing destroys wealth like divorce or derails financial growth for the young like child support.

Poor people do not have that financial capability to afford the basic necessities of life like health care, education, food, shelter and many others. Aside the fact that some poor people cannot afford some birth control measures, many are still giving birth to more children because of lack of education. The problem with many is illiteracy and ignorance that is why they still believe the saying that "God is the giver of children and he will provide means to train them by himself". Some will even reject family planning because they've heard some negative things about it or their traditions/religions are not in support of family planning.

All some poor people need is sensitization on the need for family planning because some of them do not know that couples can actually decide the number of children they wish to have and still achieve that number. Only when this is done, will they take family planning seriously just like they take food seriously.

You aren't talking about it because you don't want to--which is exactly why nothing will ever change in your country, insofar at voters and leaders think like you do.

Poor families have poor women with fewer options for birth control, fewer options for abortion, and fewer options when their spouse rapes them. If you refuse to acknowledge this and instead want to just blame the supposed moral failure of women, then you are part of the problem and nothing will change.

If you actually want to solve the problem--and I'm not convinced you do--then you will look at the actual origins of the problem and elevate the status of women in your country.

If you want to keep denigrating women in your country, then you are going to have to keep dealing with unwanted pregnancies. It's as simple as that.

In Europe, the US, and the developed Asian countries:

1. Women have access to birth control.

2. Women have access to abortions.

3. Women can divorce and have recourse when their spouses rape them.

If you want your country to be like them, then that ^^^ is what you do.


If you don't want to hear any of this and want to continue blaming women, then get used to lots of unwanted pregnancies in your country.

bro this actually a good one, I heard a lot of poor putting there hope on there children to be rich and to take care of the family.
but funny the funny thing that those people believe the saying "if you suffer today you gonna have an easy tomorrow"
just because you suffer today it dose not mean you gonna have a good future, maybe you will suffer and die.

in central Africa they dose, at least till 2000s
and as I said before if you need an education to understand a common sense then you are lower than animals, because even animals have the common sense of not producing more than they can feed.
in Europe back in the days people had more kids because the food was secured, they didn't live in famine and had kids

the irony that you don't understand this thread and you want me to reply on your reply even tho your reply come from the fact that you did not understand anything in this thread.
I am not talking about rape victim I am talking about families, poor families that have more kids than they should be or should do.


you are a deep thinker uneng, I really like the way you think.
my theory is that eugenic is the only answer to this.
you might think that the cycle broking easily but it dose not, the US has illiteracy rate less than 1% and most of the 1%  are mentally challenged people.
and yet you see how many serials killer out there and all of them had there share of abuse.
the only way to end this cycle is to end the blood line.
I am one of the most people who dream of eugenic in my own country, even tho I am sure they will sterilize me the first but I have no problem, one of the most important reasons Germany have the highest IQ in Europe was what happen in Nazi Germany back then, they when they sterilize anyone that showed criminal future and anyone with a low IQ, thus the only Germans that had kids were the best Germans.
now a days they talk about "human rights" and how everyone has the right to have kids, but when you tells them to raise the taxes so you take care of those mentally ill and stupid people everyone "human righter" disappear.
you need to break the cycle you need to sterilize them.

either way the generational trauma will have 2 ends:
1-The last link will hate himself and his blood line and he refrains from having children
2-They will have even more children and beat the living fuck out of them daily (some times it's rape)

It depends on the country and the individual mindset. Some countries does not permit a family to have more than four kids and some three kids but in some countries especially the third world countries the government don't care about how to control the population even when they cannot provide for them.

In my country rich and poor men have many children as a matter of fact my two close friends are from rich families and their parents gave birth to 8 children and the other 11 children. The only difference with a rich man that has many children with that of a poor man is that the rich man will take care of his children and train them to university level but a poor man with many children will be allow his to become nuisance to the society because the responsibility is more than them.

The irony of this thread is that OP is answering his own question by blaming women on the problem, and ignoring the actual causes e.g. the treatment of women in his country.

Hey, I get where you're coming from, but some of those stats aren't quite right. Let me break it down:
Yeah, the population numbers for Africa and South Asia seem about right. But saying 37.5% of people live in extreme poverty? That's way off. The World Bank says it's actually around 9.2% as of 2020. Still a lot of people, but nowhere near a third of the world.
And about birth rates in Africa - it's not 8 kids per woman like you said. It's more like 4.6 on average. Still higher than rich countries, but it's been going down over time.
The thing is, this isn't some age-old pattern that's been happening for thousands of years. Birth rates have been dropping pretty much everywhere as education and healthcare get better, even in poorer countries.
It's important to get the facts straight. There's usually more to the story than what we might assume at first glance.

If they were raised wrongly, being abused and not receiving the correct stimulus and incentives for each phase of their lives, it means they didn't receive guidance from the family, school and society where they are inserted.

To guide a child is part of the raising process. You have to give attention, teach good principles and values, show behavioral examples, so they can mirror their actions on your conduct.

However, if this guidance has never been available, how are they going to end the cycle? Noboby can absorb a knowledge or influence they have never been exposed to. That is why it's a process which takes a long time to happen, maybe several generations inside a family...

There isn't a known solution for this issue. What we see for real is that the minority of the individuals in such financial conditions are able to avoid this "destiny", and then start thinking critically about this matter (and end being criticized by everyone else around...). I believe these individuals are the hope for others who can finally get inspired by them to also escape the "Platonic cave" from Plato’s Allegory of the Cave.

The reason why poor people has more kids in most cases they believe since them don't have money that any of their kids will be rich in future,their by making their name to come up ,the son of emeka the palmwine tapper ,is now rich most family are not rich but they have fat and tall men in the house if u defeet them in money one can't defeet them by natural power ,they will finish you,with this few point of my one can know the reasons why man men has many children

Well, you're on point with that but doing the actual deed will make them forgot all of those consequences and they just pop it inside and let alone what's going to be the future of them and their kids. I guess we'd end up telling them that they're irresponsible and being poor won't be an excuse anymore when they understand how tough life is nowadays. They might skip to the part about being uneducated about safe sex and reproductive health lessons. I think the materials are there in spreading campaigns and drives about family planning and safe sex, they probably have heard it somewhere or from a concerned family member gives them a warning that they should control their sex and don't pop it inside. But then, the sensation and emotion can't be controlled by them. Problems after problems.

In your narrow little world, have you ever heard the word, "rape"? Just curious.

when you fail to achieve something you will dream that your kids or descended will do, and of course I am talking about real achievement here not sloppy achievements like seeing a match or movie or wining the hart of a certain person girl, talking about building a company or finding the cure or creating something new.
not everyone can afford to go clubbing every weekend or taking a girl to a nice restaurant, and not everyone can take care of his house.
human right only when they benefit them, that's why my goal will be to show my government how much money they will save on the long run If they adopted Eugenics they probably will agree.

It's not only about education and guidance, if they were raised wrongly e.g. stunting, had trauma, suffer structural poverty etc, they might not able to escape from poverty.

how do I give you merit pro? you really seem to me the only one in this thread that understand me!
that's the whole problem about this, the cycle will never end!


If you're willing to trade 5 second of pleasures for years of responsibility and tons of money then you are stupid because the trade aren't worth it.
and family plaining is a common sense for god sake once you know how hard to raise a kid you will know how to plan.
it's not about education and if you need education to understand a common sense then you are stupid low IQ person.

I respect people but I am not the type of people to be polite about an issue especially if it effect me personally and god know it dose.
finally the truth is the truth, Whether it rephrased tactfully or harshly the point of that truth isn't changing.

When the rich is bored, they go on vacation;
When the poor is bored, he goes to bed with his wife.

When the rich goes to picnic, the poor goes to bed.

When the rich use contraceptives, the poor doesn't.

The rich has family planning, the poor doesn't know about that.

The rich is planning on how to make his children have the best life, the poor is producing, hoping that one can change the background of the family.

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@Op, They aren't stupid, but you must learn to respect everyone and not to bash at them.

That's really weird the way you think getting married is when someone fail to achieve something.

If they want to have sex, they should find sluts instead. Cleaning house isn't that hard though.

Since the modern society think human rights is really important, I doubt Eugenics will be applied nowadays.

It's not only about education and guidance, if they were raised wrongly e.g. stunting, had trauma, suffer structural poverty etc, they might not able to escape from poverty.

Lmao, using children as a gift is really not make sense.

If the rich can't produce more children, they can just adopt other children as many as they can afford.

Is birth control legal in your country?

Is it readily available to the average poor female?

Is abortion legal in your country?

Is it readily available to the average poor female?

Are there strong (and enforced) laws in your country protecting women from violence from men? From their spouses?

Does your country's laws and/or traditions allow divorce that is initiated by the woman?

For all of the "rich" people you speak of, who do not have many children, the answer is "yes".

For almost all of the "poor stupid" people you speak of, who have more children than they can afford, the answer is "no".


If you want change in your country, the answer is to empower women, not blame the victims like you are doing.


Simply blaming women who have no options won't do anything except make the problem worse.

a person wealth isn't just in money, it can also be measured in land, farms and anything really.
there are people who I also knew (not personally ) that had 12 and 13 children and nothing but a huge land and they transform it into farms and they did not had a problem with there life.
this man wouldn't have any problem if he simply brought his kids to the jungle and taught them to farm and this is the problem, poor people who have a dozen of children without taking any responsibility towards them
and no, I never ever saw rich person who has more than 4 kids (beside Elon musk but that dude is super rich)



I said it before and I am saying it again, if you need an education to understand a common sense then you aren't a human, simple as that.
once they have there first kid and realize what a huge responsibility that kid is and they don't figure out how hard it's to feed one kid then they should not have another.
if they want to take the risk and have sex after that then they are just like junkies who can't get off the stuff they're hooked on or there brain cannot comprehend the concept of future
buddy even animals have a common sense that force them to abandon/kill there kids if the food aren't secure.
animals typically have 6-8 pups per birth kill 2 or 3 if they ever sense the danger of famine on there pups, Hamsters, Cats are just an example.




Thank you uneng!

I don't understand why everyone is angry on me for brining this up, some called me a racist and some think of me as a wealthy person who hate poor, I am poor from a 3rd world live in a 3rd world and probably will die in a 3rd world.
my life and country been ruined because of this and All I ask is to know why they do this.
sometime when you point out about how sick that person is everyone get angry, even if you yourself have the same dieses.


and I say it again, if you need an education to understand a common sense then you aren't a human and you don't deserve the air that you breath because even animals who have 6-8 per single birth will kill 2-3 of there pups if they lack the food or they don't think they can't take care of there pups

In India farmers who are educationally sound are not committing suicide. Only farmers who are not educated enough to understand money management are taking such steps. So putting this thing with the subject of " why poor people always have more kids " is not correct.

I hope you understand. Someone already said .. and i am writing back. Lack of knowledge of Birth Control and concept of every single child means source of earning in near future. In a Poor family Female and Males both are working from the age of 7 or 8.