Topic: Why poor people always have more kids? - page 2. (Read 499 times)

Why so much hostility against OP on this thread for raising a valid reflexion?

It's in fact a very important subject to be discussed, because it directly impacts the daily reality of many societies.

Poor people need proper education and guidance in order to leave poverty through organizing and managing their lives more efficiently. It's something which takes times, and sometimes several generations to happen, but it's something which must be pointed out, like OP is doing, and discussed.

To avoid it or consider it a forbidden matter, implying he is badmouthing or humiliating poor people means to condemn poor people to misery forever! If you want to change a noxious pattern, you have to point what is wrong with that. That is the first step.

They aren't informed and they lack education about family planning. They're not stupid but they aren't just guided at all. Not every poor person has a lot of kids. I've seen in real life that there are people that are able to sustain their lives and say under the middle class and is an average person but able to sustain the family because of the mindset. The contraceptives that have been there for so long to help unsudden pregnancy is there but as you've said, they're poor and instead of buying those contraceptives, they're going to buy their meal instead.

This is a problem that you can find everywhere. But at least for someone who's informed about unsudden pregnancy attaches new responsibility will have it on their minds that they need to practice safe sex.

Not a new phenomenon but everyone needs to start learning it from the institutions where we're coming from about reproductive health and be open minded about subjects that deals with sexual intercourse.

Your blame is more centered on poor people having more children but that’s not it, even the rich give birth to a lot of children because they feel they can control them and fend for them until they’re of the age of catering for themselves. The problem here is why are people giving birth to more children than what they can be able to handle for themselves? I am from Africa and I have seen a man with more than 200 children and was able to cater for them all, none where nuisance to the society. He was not that super rich but was able to give birth to what he can control and fend for within his means. You can’t stop people from giving birth and where there’s no birth control policy, the result will be more babies in the society. Everyone will love to have a survivor from his gene, will you allow a birth control policy to stop that from happening when it’s your turn to give birth, I think you won’t, so that’s just it.

I think somebody needs to explain to you where babies come from, before you embarrass yourself anymore with this thread.

See, when a man in a country that has no laws protecting women puts his ***** in a woman's ******, even against her will, the result is often pregnancy if she does not legally or economically have access to birth control. If she does not have access to abortion, the result is a baby, whether she wanted one or not.

This situation is very common in less-developed countries and cultures, or highly religions ones.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you a) live in a middle or upper-class area of the United States; and b) have received no education whatsoever of any other economic or political realm. You should try to education yourself, and when you do, you'll see how much you... probably want to erase this thread and make believe you never said any of it .

yes it dose now, but in specific part of the world.
in India 68% of the population are from the lower cast (Dalit and Sudra) and those too poor that they work 9 hours for there daily bread, yet they still have more kids.
if you need an education to learn a common sense then you aren't a human, basically you are sub-human.
a common sense that tells you when you barely can eat yourself you should not bring a dozen of children, any "human" who dose not have that common sense or need an education to understand it then he dosn't deserve the air that he breath, even animals have that common sense.
each birth of the hamster result of 6-8 pups and look up what the hamster mother will do to her pups if she felt that the food isn't enough for all of them.


How much dose these medication cost usually?
definitely cheaper than raising another kid.


the population in Africa in 1600 was less than 100 million and most Africans didn't know any farming or hording animals or anything really since they didn't need to, everything was on easy mood to them back then as the jungle provide tons of fruit that rote on the ground and there was more Animals than people, so there wasn't any need to learn these thing and yet, there was less than 100 million people live there.
the problem is when you don't have a total control of the idiots and low IQ people in your country because they will always think that things are good because god love them or something, they don't understand anything at all other than the 5 second pleasure of sex, I saw this in my country where the idiots start to have  way more people than the country can handle resulting of increasing of the prices housing and less jobs.
and maintaining a 5 hectare farm is easy if you are hard working man, it doesn't need 100 people to do the entire job I mean look at the Amish and rich farmer in Asia so agriculture isn't an excuse.



yeah, and also everyone need to take responsibility for there actions.
how many cases of domestic violence happened within a poor family this years?
thousands every day.
how many cases of domestic violence happened within a rich family this years?
zero, not even one.
you really think it's easy not to be mentally ill while living in these conditions?



It's unending cycle.
the only way to end it is cutting all type of help to them, sure you will hurt them and there children but at least you will cut the cycle and prevent more people to get hurt.


"a gift of god"
really? then let there god help them take care of there gift.
have you ever heard of a single domestic violence case happened in a rich family? have you ever saw uneducated rich person? have you ever saw unhealthy rich person?
the thing  is when you have "a gift" more than you can get excited about then you need to take full responsibility.
why should I hear the voices of some dump "father" beating his gift of god because he feel that this gift killed his dream of life? why should I live among some mentally ill people who grow up in abusive house?
hell why should I be one of them?
if you believe in god and then you get abandon by him do not go crying and bitching about the prices of everything and how it's hard to take care of your children and then you go ape shit on them creating a traumatic men.
have you ever heard of mentally ill rich person? or a rich person who grow up in abusive house?
weird that not a single rich family had a problem with there "gift" of "god" but they are always poor, and you know the best part about growing up in abusive house? is the generational trauma the cycle will never end and will continue for ever.

if you are poor you should not have more than 2 kids, three at max and that's that
and I don't know about money and position can't buy it, I mean have you ever heard of Epstein? seems like money can buy children after all, even if the reason isn't Innocent.

They are not stupid and stop using that word to such people, children are gift from God, which is the best gift God has given to poor people which money or position cannot buy, because there are some rich people looking for children but they can only give birth to one or two, not that they don't need more than that in the community but they don't have the strength to produce more than that which is the gift God use to blessed the poor.

Not only in Africa this also happens in my country, families that are living in remote areas usually have an average of 6 children and this is due to ignorance, the family tradition that a big family has a good reputation in the community and of course they are hoping that their children will get them out of poverty, its like an endless cycle.
This is not always the case, many couples are now matured and the government are educating them on having a small family, so they can manage the household and the health of all the members of the family.

Both the rich and the poor do give birth to children and this have to do with the desirability of individuals on what they wanted, if we can afford to take good care of having many children, then i dont see anything bad in doing that, but some have said it's more common for the poor people to give birth to many children than the rich one, though this is more of a mentality basis, everyone can have as much as many children they wanted.

You asked a very reasonable question and honestly, it's what has become a norm that most poor people have a greater number of children than their richer counterparts but I must add that the approach you used in making your analysis is quite shallow and not fact-based.

Even though most African countries are underdeveloped and are mostly looked at on the global stage as being dominated by poverty-stricken families, in reality, that's far from what's actually the case. As a core African man who has lived both in the village part of my country and the town, I can boldly say that it's not true that we've witnessed anything close to feminine except in war zones where people can't comfortably go out to carry out their daily hustle.

The mentality of most poor people in the locality is that with more children, you have more hands that can help you on your farm, and that can also help you when you're old and that's the reason why they normally have more children compared to the richer folks.

Religion also plays its own role in this matter cause for some religions, you can marry as many wives as you find comfortable with, and for each of the wives you've married, they will expect to have a child for you and by so doing, you find out that some men might get married to 6 wives and have at least 3 kids from each of them. For this scenario, you can't say it's about wealth cause most of the people who marry too many wives are mostly traditional people who aren't rich in Their context.
Individuals' projection of the future varies and while some will dime it fit that they will only give birth to children they can feed and take care of their education, others might term it a thing of pride that they have so many children who will grow up to take care of them in the future.

Again another factor that even plays a greater role could be education and for most cases, educated people tend to have a lesser number of children than uneducated ones due to their general perception of a child's training.

There are more than a thousand and one reasons why people decide to have more children and poverty is just one of them.

I beg to differ and I want to say this thinking is not correct forever, not only before or after 2000s.

If you are poor, you and your family are more probably have bad financial status that makes it's harder to nurture your children and more troubles to provide them good chance in education.

Nurturing children is more easily than educating them but even the easier part, nurturing children is already problem with poor family. If they care about their children, future of children, they will not let their sexual demand to affect their children future and will self-limit total children they want to have. There are many ways for family planning and parents only need to have right attitude to do that properly.

From the conclusion, poor people have lots of children because they don't plan their births and don't have much money to buy medication to delay pregnancy, and it's clear that it's very difficult for them to eat, let alone think about other things, and indeed it's a difficult process at the moment to prevent it.

I think this colouration is changing and I have heard more people, people of less classes in the society discuss the need to bear few children and the singles too are having change of mind. To prove that the numbers are beginning to reduce, if you go to African wedding especially that of Nigeria, during the reception when the MC ask the celebrants how many children they would like to have, they usually say 2 to 4 children especially 3/4 children and not up to 5 except on rare occasions where they would say the 5th may be the one of " mistake ".

So I think education is what has caused this paradigm shift. More lower class people are getting educated lately and they are being knowledgeable and also trying to lessen the burden of training plenty children to fewer children and having comfort and living a comfortable live for themselves and children. All of those where never in the picture in the past as they never matter in the scheme of things in the old days. There is shift in the way things are done now in terms of family live.

Because they are uneducated.

that's the point that can apply on any nation that has more people than it can handle, keep giving them until they think it's there god giving right to get free stuff from you or the government or anyone really.

"economic pressures"
so if I am poor and miserable and barely feed myself I should have 10 kids so the pressures get lighting?
it's basically stupidity and dependency, I just noticed that all poor are religious, they simply believe there god will not abandon them and they will have as many kids as they want and then they will ask everyone else to take responsibility for there actions.




Having a family is the way to happens once you fail to achieve what you were desire the most and that's for smart and average people, not for stupid people.
and I don't think they have family because the pressure of society I think they have it because they want to have sex and clean house.
some time I wish Eugenics get applied in my country even tho I know that they will probably Sterilize me the first lol

Yep, I believe not all people can be in relationship, but the pressure from society makes them force themselves to have a relationship and giving a birth. That's why these poor people will not learn since they're childish adults aka grown up people but act like children and don't have a mentality to take responsibility.

Having a family isn't the only way to find happiness, happiness starts from yourself. You live alone, you die alone.

Limited access to education, healthcare, cultural beliefs, economic pressures & lack of family planning awareness (contraception) contribute to higher birth rates among the poor.

The point is precisely in agriculture, or more precisely in the agrarian mentality of people living in rapidly growing countries. Even when such people migrate en masse to a more developed country, they take their agrarian mentality with them.

ps Starving Africans are more of a meme. Not in the sense that they do not exist, but in the sense that humanitarian aid perpetuates in them the syndrome of learned helplessness, and then they can no longer live independently without hope of humanitarian aid.

in 1600 the population was less than 100 million and they never had any famine.
so it's not about birth control

that's a thought, you think if poor people get access to game set they will stop this?



No, the solution is what China did to there people.
in the 1600 African population was less than 100 million and till 1900 the entire Indian raj (India Pakistan bangladesh maynamer) didn't pass 250 million and today they make up 25% of earth's population.
oh and women didn't have a choice back then.


Just want it to ask here since all of these topic on the internet didn't convince me
See my replay to legiteum


so Africans have famine even tho they farm?
most of the humanitarian aid go the desert, where they can't farm.

also every single minute 3 Indian farmers commit suicide  do to there life conditions, by the time 4320 every day so it's not about the farming,

In poor countries, more people live in subsistence farming and the overall economy is predominantly agrarian. In such conditions, every child in the family is an additional assistant and an extra pair of working hands from childhood. That is, many children here are not a burden, but a family asset.

As the country develops, more people live in cities and a child turns from a family asset into an expensive and long-term project, so in developed countries it is normal to have one, maximum two children in a family.

I am not even sure why you should bother to ask here, by the way, I think there are many scientific studies out there on the internet about this matter and they gets to almost the same conclusions.
Women in under-developed countries do not have access to both sexual education nor birth control pills, so it is more likely for them to have an unwanted pregnancy. Also, having more children in a underdeveloped country can be helpful to face hardships, specially in the children grow up to become healthy men, so they can contribute to society and bring back some some money and food to sustain the household. There is a good reason in under-developed countries family members live close to one another, you know. So they can band together to survive.

Not even mention the social pressure many women have to build a family at certain age...