Topic: Why putin choose winter? - page 2. (Read 589 times)

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Did you serve in the army? Just be honest?
Tell us how the fields and forests of the northern and eastern parts of Ukraine look like in summer or spring or autumn? Or do you want to say that the shock units will move along the tracks?

About Russian aviation - thanks, I laughed heartily. You also forgot to give the argument "we will reach Kiev in 3 days" - we have here part of the eastern fields fertilized with the corpses of such impudent soldiers of the "strongest army in the world"
Yes, and just on topic - today a batch of Stinger systems arrived in Ukraine - hello to Russian terrorist pilots. It will no longer be possible to bomb defenseless civilians, as in Syria!
 
By the way, the Russian concept of today's offensive war, and you apparently do not have this knowledge, is as follows:
1. air-missile strikes, for the destruction of communication nodes, the destruction of air defense systems, warehouses, etc. + EW influence.
2. then, to secure the territory, shock armored units with infantry go. And so they become very dependent on the environment. I don’t know where you live, but we have a landscape (we take the territory where Russian troops are concentrated) containing a large amount of rather loose soil, with a high level of groundwater, or even wetlands.

For example:
On the video - the day before yesterday, the Russian "strongest army", a tank column, which, in your opinion, can easily move on unfrozen ground, near the border with Ukraine. An attempt to walk on that very unfrozen land.

https://twitter.com/_A_Vit_/status/1492472858244784129?s=20&t=RfDkvsx_gCgODFANqnFw0g

This is exactly what this problem looks like in reality ...
And you can tell more stories about yourself, "specialist" ))

Ground is also hard in dry summer months so your point is moot and makes it obvious you aren't qualified on the matter any more than some noob on this forum ;-) Russian air power could literally roll ukraine into the ground in less than 1 week along with electro and communication zap.Soldiers on the ground are merely grunts so they don't need to be much more than pawns.Are you implying that you need to be a successful individual with an IQ above 80 to point and aim?

Stop acting like you know any more than I do ;-)

Have You ever heard of "Rasputitsa"? Russia is not only known for winter but also for Rasputitsa. In spring and autumn, it's impossible to move with heavy machinery through unpaved roads because of the rain and melting snow. Those heavy Russian tanks will be useless in such conditions so it's better to do offensive in winter when the ground is solid.

War can not be won only by machinery but with manpower. And to properly fed the huge Russian army they need money for the provision and salary of the soldier. We all know Russia's economic condition right now so it's totally suicidal for Russia to start a full-scale war.

It's all fairy tales
1. You probably did not serve in the army, and do not understand how it all works? Winter is chosen only so that military equipment can move normally without getting stuck in mud and puddles. This is the main reason for choosing such a period for OFFENSIVE operations, when it is necessary to organize a guaranteed rapid movement of army units deep into the territory where military operations are planned to be conducted.
2. Of course there is oil and gas. But the economy itself is resource-based, backward, and objectively corresponds to the level of third world countries. Exactly the same economy that buried the USSR, and then Russia in 1998, when they then begged the whole world to give them at least some food. And oil and gas, at this time, has not gone away
3. People are not resistant to difficulties - if you look at the regions outside of Moscow or St. Petersburg, where it is totally difficult, you will see that these "heroic fighters with difficulties" are almost all totally drunken and marginalized beings. They just do not know how to deal with difficulties, to change something around them, they just sink to the bottom. You confused "fighting with difficulties" with "habits of a slave who lives at the bottom and has no right to change something."
4. Neo-Nazism, Nazism is just a hallmark of RASHISM. And his supporters in some countries, cultivating the Nazis, the Reichs and the "great Fuhrers" and other abominations. Or can you give a reasoned, verifiable, example about the heyday of neo-Nazis "managing" Ukraine? )) Just a request - not hysterical Kremlin slogans, but facts, and do not run away from the answer, do not be silent, it will be very interesting to continue this topic!

Putin choose winter because every country that ever fought the Russians failed because of the winter.Russia has all the gas and oil it needs to maintain a perpetual war machine and a nuclear arsenal to back it up if it ever fails.Russia are effectively undefeatable using military means.Also their people are more resilient to hardship than western societies so winter would prove harder on our soldiers and citizens because we are soft whereas they are hard muddafuddas.If we engage in war with Russia over Ukraine which is literally ran by neo nazis then Europe will be the first to fall and after that anything goes.

As I understand it, you did not dare to read the story about the crimes of the USSR / Russia, including provocations. Ok, it's up to you
And here Iraq And the USA? Although ... But Pol-Pota destroyed the local population, and scientists ... And if you were wearing glasses! And this very accurately confirms that Russia wants to capture the whole of Europe and raise the price of round timber! I followed your logic, answering your question, tell me - does it really look stupid?
Russia can be "brave" ONLY if they are 100,000% sure that their target will not be able to resist. Those. they need an object of aggression that can be safely and safely destroyed, knowing that there will be no answer. In 2014, such a situation was in Ukraine. BUT ! We managed to very quickly assemble volunteer defense units, and managed to drive out the invaders, and free almost 50% of the temporarily occupied territories!
That is why now there is a wild hysteria in Russia - they are very afraid that defensive weapons have arrived in Ukraine, which is guaranteed not to allow the rashist army to walk in a parade march across the territory of Ukraine. Now they know that tank divisions will be destroyed wherever they appear, aviation also becomes vulnerable after the supply of MANPADS systems. Therefore, the Kremlin is hysterical, and does not know what to do now.

I'm not suggesting Russia is above a fake provocation attack, they're quite embolden to attack Ukraine under the belief that the U.S. or other NATO countries will respond.

But will the US escalate because they want an excuse to start war, is the question. I see no motive, so my guess is no.

Though recall to 2003 when the U.S. promised the world a war in Iraq was justified due to WMD. There were none, and they lied. So I don't believe Russia is operating with good intention, nor does the U.S. have a good track record telling the truth in these matters.

If you study history, then a similar mechanism, the mechanism of fake provocations, has been used by Russia since the beginning of World War II. It was used as an excuse to start aggression. For example, "The Attack of the Finnish Republic on the USSR" - read, think, compare the situations. Everything is absolutely identical, for decades, nothing has changed in the terrorist state. same principles, same explanations, same formulations...

I guess that explains why no one wants to get involved, huh.

Also explains why the US wouldn't mind a war, it isn't their oil on the line. They stopped giving a damn about the economy a long time ago, so that's an issue to put aside.

There was a report that alleges Russia is planning a hoax propaganda video to use as a pretext for an invasion. Video shows Ukraine pre-emptively striking Russia, but of course it is all crisis actors. This comes from the US government, so I'm immediately reminded that they assured the world that Iraq had WMD's. Turns out that was just a lie. Wonder if this report is a lie too.

I would like to hope that logic and conscience will prevail in Europe. Conscience - to stop being, some politicians, kept women of the Kremlin. Logic - after an act of economic / energy terrorism by Russia, only an idiot can not understand that Russian gas is a means of blackmailing and feeding tame prostitute politicians who sell their countries in exchange for handouts from Kremlin terrorists. Energy security can only be realized through the diversification of supplies. Russia needs to monopolize the market, and economic goals, judging by the actions of the Kremlin, are no longer the main goal. The main goal is to control the behavior of the leading European countries, when making pro-Russian decisions, or to sabotage anti-Russian measures.

Even though Biden is old enough for this, he is still a president for America and a controller of NATO. Indirectly he should be responsible if something happens to the EU, such as cutting gas supply or at worst an invasion of one of the EU countries (which is unlikely to happen).

Qatar has also stated that they will supply gas and oil to the EU through their storage in East Asia. And in return they asked to end the European Commission anti-trust investigation and asked their gas and oil market to return to Europe (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/26/qatar-in-talks-to-supply-gas-to-europe-if-russia-cuts-supplies). So Qatar also doesn't help the EU for free.

Was this the reson why Biden is shopping for gas/petroleum in Qatar?  The poor man is too old for this.

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/biden-meets-with-emir-of-qatar-as-u-s-aims-to-allay-european-concern-about-natural-gas-supply-amid-elevated-russia-tension-01643660960

In the case war will really happen, they have something to give to EU to survive the winter. I dont know if any of the middle east countries will provide actually.  

Too much logic that doesn't make sense here. Tensions between Russia and Ukraine itself have been going on for a long time, what has caused the conflict to widen is the recent closeness of Ukraine to the western bloc, which makes Russia dislike it.


And when it comes to gas and oil supplies, Europe relies 35% of natural gas on Russia. However, if we look at the situation, even if there is a war and gas supply cuts, Europe can divert their supply to several neighbouring countries (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/what-are-europes-options-case-russian-gas-disruption-2022-01-27/) although there will be many problems during the transition process, I am sure it will not take long and that the party that will suffer the most is Russia itself because they will lose quite a lot of revenue from gas sales.

Qatar is in talk with the EU to supply natural gas if Russia cut their gas supply. Source link.

I think this is a good alternative to the neutral Russian threat but the problem does the EU has enough infrastructure to import natural gas from a country that is located far away. This will also increase the cost of natural gas which is already skyrocketing in Europe. Qatar could be a good alternative to the natural gas supplier in the EU but this can not be done on short notice.

You don't have to believe in green energy to see that we depend less on natural gas and coal and more on electricity. It doesn't have to be green, it can be nuclear. Anyway, the use of solar energy is growing every year as are imports from other countries. 2019-2020 EU cut gas imports from Russia by 5%. Governments see that Russia is unreliable and are looking for alternatives. Putin is running out of time.

If you believe in that green energy crap then I have bad news for you, it is not going to save EU. Let's see the numbers:

Europe's ~40% of natural gas, ~46% of solid fuels,  ~27% of crude oil is coming from Russia.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2c.html#carouselControls?lang=en







These numbers tell only one story:

Putin pwns Europe.

It's easier to move military equipment when the ground is frozen.  That area gets super muddy in April/May and this happens:




The failed leadership was defeated in the last election.  And the problem wasn't them doing nothing, it was them turning our allies against us with obvious pro-Russia stances.  

Current leadership has already made it clear that if Putin goes into Ukraine the sanctions start approaching Cuba embargo level of intensity.  

Ukraine is just in thier backyard, no muscles needed to flex there. Just look at the news today about all the Ukraine tension that US media had been making, its funny now that countries surrounding Ukraine are not allowing US troops to move in. Belarus, Croatia and all the rest just wouldn't want them there.

It would have been easy for the administration to restage that Cuban missile crisis if Biden's brain is not too demented. No one calls it fake news but if it were Trump doing all these, the term FakeNews would have been around million times after CNN deleted the news about Biden saying the imminent Ukraine invasion.

If anyone is flexing their muscles it's the US military going very far from their backyard to ignite a war. Choosing winter because China is so busy with thier winter Olympics. But they have thier problems of thier own now as thier F-35C plane crashes in the backyard of China.

And we all know the average Russian doesn't need gas to keep warm. Vodka does that from the inside.


Not really.

Firstly, natural gas is not the only resource used to heat our homes. Apart from growing use of solar energy, people use coal, wood, oil...

Secondly, only 40% of natural gas comes from Russia. Norway alone supplies over 20% and many countries have their own sources of gas that are not shown on the supply chart because it's not exported to other countries, but used locally. It's not like the EU would collapse if Russia cut gas. We'd have to import more from Algeria, Qatar and Nigeria, which we've been doing for years. The downside is gas imported from Africa can be more expensive than the one from Russia, but it's not such a big deal.

You can look at it like this: When you like wine and the prices go up you either switch to beer or pay more. You don't die of thirst. Russia on the other hand has high inflation. If they stop selling gas to the EU they'll have an even greater one.

Ukrainian politics was happened many times.In a past Russia made a friendly relationship with the Ukraine. By the move of USSR, later they do of partition.Russia support the lot in the past. But after the interfere of the United State, Ukraine had this move.But it's not a correct one. Russian are the brother to the Ukraine. They should do friendly relationship with Russia.