Why some donators are in default Trust list ? - page 2.

gweedo

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on August 08, 2013, 07:42:58 AM

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

It is sad, people like Erik, Charlie Sherm, Roger Ver, Charles Lee, Jared, should I go on? I mean how are these people passed over for spots on the default trust list? Makes no sense, but this is one of the downfalls of this forum.

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on August 08, 2013, 07:42:58 AM

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org

Generally "many of us" (see Viceroy, gweedo, ElectricMucus, that ripple shill I can't remember) have bright orange ignore ratings.

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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

Part of this is integrity which he's lacking,

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I don't see this forum having any permissions for people to pentest so this is very different from google or facebook. Also it is unethical but you don't have security certificates I guess right? If you did you know why.

Can you pentest AT&T's site, I am sure they be glad to hear about the bugs to find.

Actually based on everything you do on this forum having an ethical conversation with you is like having a debate about race with Paula Deen.

I'm sure they would be glad to hear about the bugs you find, as long as you don't release customer's data or notify the media before you actually disclose them to AT&T.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on August 08, 2013, 07:00:39 AM

Yes, I do that, for multiple sites including this forum. Malicious hackers do not ask for permission, I don't perform anything intrusive / service impacting like DirBuster or another automated scanner without permission.

You do know that is both unethical as a pentester, and illegal.

I guess you never took the correct security classes.

You might consider finding and reporting vulnerabilities unethical, I don't

FYI:
http://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/reward-program/
https://www.facebook.com/whitehat

A "don't pentest our site without our permission" strategy is literally the worst you can have. It's as stupid as 'gun free zones' - if law abiding citizens can't bring guns, then only criminals who don't respect the sign will have guns. You're not going to get prosecuted if you perform responsible disclosure.

Like I said, I don't do intrusive pentests.

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He lured people to trust him without telling them they will lose all their real valuable backed ripple bitcoins (if they had any) when they added the trust towards him.

I did tell them, it's right on RippleScam.org which I linked in the post

Yes, people have lost money from the social experiment, and that's something I don't plan on repeating. You'll note that I refunded the webr3 guy who then put it back on Ripple again to lose it.

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He did do a job, then "penetration tested" it without any permission from the customer.

Yes, I do that, for multiple sites including this forum. Malicious hackers do not ask for permission, I don't perform anything intrusive / service impacting like DirBuster or another automated scanner without permission.

Also, I don't actually exploit bugs I pentested beyond "you done goofed".

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Basicly means he made an unsecure product for customer

False. The vulnerability comes from code that the customer added himself or paid someone to add.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on August 08, 2013, 05:44:17 AM

Quote from: Anduck on August 08, 2013, 05:11:18 AM

I just really can't see why TradeFortress is in this list. As a person who can add people on the list, too.

Reasons:
- He intentionally lured newbies to lose their ripple-bitcoins. related: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradefortress-very-untrustworthy-owes-me-1015-btc-possibly-others-211115 Been discussed MANY times, why discuss it again now?
- Rumours say he've sold his web development services and done poor job. And then been messing up with the site.. reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-tradefortress-p-ted-my-site-without-permission-no-damage-afaik-closed-223665
- Asks for access to others' accounts at IRC (#bitcoin-otc @Freenode). No reference for this since I got this info from IRC and we discussed it there a while ago. There's absolutely no reason to EVER ask for others passwords or access to their accounts. A web developer should know this...
- he's anonymous.. People do know his details, actually.

Let me make those highlighted things clear.
Starting from the first hilight:

#1: How has it changed the facts about what he did? He lured people to trust him without telling them they will lose all their real valuable backed ripple bitcoins (if they had any) when they added the trust towards him.
#2: Looked it again and it shows they're not just rumours since TradeFortress has confirmed it himself. He did do a job, then "penetration tested" it without any permission from the customer. He offered to fix the security vulnerabilities for extra cost. Basicly means he made an unsecure product for customer, hacked it and tried to get more money out of him.
#3: I added a note in there. Also, TradeFortress have confirmed this himself. Me having no straight link or a reference for summary doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'll say it again: It did happen and TF confirmed it.
#4: Sure. Anyway, this was the least important of the listed reasons.

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This is not meant to be a rant against TradeFortress. These things just somehow don't get administrators attention.

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Quote from: Anduck on August 08, 2013, 05:11:18 AM

I just really can't see why TradeFortress is in this list. As a person who can add people on the list, too.

Reasons:
- He intentionally lured newbies to lose their ripple-bitcoins. related: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradefortress-very-untrustworthy-owes-me-1015-btc-possibly-others-211115 Been discussed MANY times, why discuss it again now?
- Rumours say he've sold his web development services and done poor job. And then been messing up with the site.. reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-tradefortress-p-ted-my-site-without-permission-no-damage-afaik-closed-223665
- Asks for access to others' accounts at IRC (#bitcoin-otc @Freenode). No reference for this since I got this info from IRC and we discussed it there a while ago. There's absolutely no reason to EVER ask for others passwords or access to their accounts. A web developer should know this...
- he's anonymous.. People do know his details, actually.

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I just really can't see why TradeFortress is in this list. As a person who can add people on the list, too.

Reasons:
- He intentionally lured newbies to lose their ripple-bitcoins. related: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradefortress-very-untrustworthy-owes-me-1015-btc-possibly-others-211115
- Rumours say he've sold his web development services and done poor job. And then been messing up with the site.. reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-tradefortress-p-ted-my-site-without-permission-no-damage-afaik-closed-223665
- Asks for access to others' accounts at IRC (#bitcoin-otc @Freenode). No reference for this since I got this info from IRC and we discussed it there a while ago. You can ask more info from a #bitcoin-otc operator TheLordOfTime. There's absolutely no reason to EVER ask for others passwords or access to their accounts. A web developer should know this...
- he's anonymous..

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on August 08, 2013, 04:50:12 AM

A good reason to never consider doing business on this forum.

I don't really _trust_ the trust system of this forum since it's clearly not working. #bitcoin-otc / Web of Trust @ Freenode works very well. There are no "default trust lists", removal of ratings or anything like that in there.

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A good reason to never consider doing business on this forum.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on August 08, 2013, 04:11:34 AM

Quote from: Anduck on August 08, 2013, 12:40:08 AM

FWIW I don't see why DiamondCardz is in that default trust list either!

I'm not in the DefaultTrust list, I'm just trusted by someone who is in the DefaultTrust list.

...You're trusted by TradeFortress which makes you and your ratings be in the DefaultTrust list, just like everyone else in the list. You just have the restriction you can't add people on the list, TF can.

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Quote from: Anduck on August 08, 2013, 12:40:08 AM

FWIW I don't see why DiamondCardz is in that default trust list either!

I'm not in the DefaultTrust list, I'm just trusted by someone who is in the DefaultTrust list.

Quote from: dree12 on July 27, 2013, 06:09:14 PM

Quote from: theymos on July 27, 2013, 05:59:31 PM

Then there would be too many inaccurate negative ratings. I don't want there to be any inaccurate negative ratings in the default trust network.

There have been allegations that DiamondCardz has given out inaccurate negative ratings. Do you believe these allegations to be unfounded?

Most of these allegations are by people who are mad, including newbies. I have a load of false negative ratings against me from phished accounts/scammers, and that's where most of the allegations come from. I'll look through the negative ratings I've given, but IMHO most of them are sound.

Quote from: dree12 on July 27, 2013, 06:09:14 PM

Quote from: theymos on July 27, 2013, 05:59:31 PM

Then there would be too many inaccurate negative ratings. I don't want there to be any inaccurate negative ratings in the default trust network.

There have been allegations that DiamondCardz has given out inaccurate negative ratings. Do you believe these allegations to be unfounded?

Please make a thread so I can review these so-called allegations. The only one I remember was when Pi Coin was annoyed - I still do not trust him, but I removed the negative rep because I really can't be asked to get into a fight at the moment.

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For any reason, I can't see TradeFortress being in the DefaultTrust list. A reference to a small part of reasons: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211115.80

FWIW I don't see why DiamondCardz is in that default trust list either!

This doesn't say do I trust them or not, but really, default trust listing people who are anonymous and do shady things [like in the link above]?

Theymos: Out of curiousity: Was pirate on the default trust list? The thing here is that majority of people don't even know such default trust list exists or that you can modify it! I'm a long time member here and just found out about that DefaultTrust thing, this tells about how transparent this forum is.

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Quote from: theymos on July 29, 2013, 08:32:45 PM

Quote from: dree12 on July 27, 2013, 06:09:14 PM

There have been allegations that DiamondCardz has given out inaccurate negative ratings. Do you believe these allegations to be unfounded?

Is there a thread about this?

This is the allegation I was talking about. I removed DiamondCardz from my personal trust list after this.

Quote from: Pi Coin on July 15, 2013, 04:03:22 AM

this thread is just the tip of the Iceberg. DiamondCardz you are on the right track with identifying scammers, however you're accuracy is becoming poor at best. you negged this account mistakenly in the HollowInfinity thread. you can contact TF to inquire about my identity. there is alot more going on here then most of us understand at this point but we have narrowed this group down to a list of people, and we caught them coming of of tor exit nodes and traced them all the way back to [country ommitted]. keep up the good work and i will keep helping as needed.

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Quote from: Kouye on July 29, 2013, 12:05:13 PM

Did you have to step in when TF abused his "power" to paint gweedo with negative rep ?

Yes, I rearranged the trust lists to remove that rating from the default trust network. TF later removed his rating, though.

Quote from: dree12 on July 27, 2013, 06:09:14 PM

There have been allegations that DiamondCardz has given out inaccurate negative ratings. Do you believe these allegations to be unfounded?

Is there a thread about this?

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Quote from: John (John K.) on July 29, 2013, 01:35:00 PM

I did give a few guys positive rep (check my trust link)? Huh

Not sure about 'promoting' though - is that the same as giving positive feedback?

Hmm, not sure, but here's what it looks like on my trust string with 1 depth:

Tomato, for example, apparently promoted Gavin, Kludge, etc.
You're just promoting the Default trust list, as far as I'm concerned - might be an issue on my side, too ?

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No, that's the people who you trust to give hones feedback and therefore their feedback is used to show you the numbers on the trust rating in the profile and sig..

Also all users who have you in your trust will then see the feedback of those people.

"Profile" --> "Trust" --> "Trust settings" and add the people you trust to give honest feedback.

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Quote from: Kouye on July 29, 2013, 12:05:13 PM

Quote from: theymos on July 27, 2013, 05:59:31 PM

Then there would be too many inaccurate negative ratings. I don't want there to be any inaccurate negative ratings in the default trust network.

Did you have to step in when TF abused his "power" to paint gweedo with negative rep ?

EDIT : John K, did you choose not to promote anyone ? (or is it just lazyness/boredom ? Wink

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I did give a few guys positive rep (check my trust link)? Huh

Not sure about 'promoting' though - is that the same as giving positive feedback?

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Quote from: theymos on July 27, 2013, 05:59:31 PM

Then there would be too many inaccurate negative ratings. I don't want there to be any inaccurate negative ratings in the default trust network.

Did you have to step in when TF abused his "power" to paint gweedo with negative rep ?

EDIT : John K, did you choose not to promote anyone ? (or is it just lazyness/boredom ? Wink

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