Topic: Why the anti government - page 5. (Read 1608 times)
Its not anti-government but rather against the centralization of power that typically preys on the underprivileged.
I think that all of us who are in this forum is because we really want to have a little bit of privacy inside of our finances, we really want a good change in to this system.
if you dont like the way that bitcoin has proposed the be the new economic system, then why are you here? it is weird because a lot of people are here in order to earn money, but the real ones like me, are the ones who are only looking to have more privacy and the real RIGHT to do not have to provide details about myself in order to spend money like it is happening all around the world.
if you dont like the way that bitcoin has proposed the be the new economic system, then why are you here? it is weird because a lot of people are here in order to earn money, but the real ones like me, are the ones who are only looking to have more privacy and the real RIGHT to do not have to provide details about myself in order to spend money like it is happening all around the world.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government. 
Well honestly in a country like where I live you pay about 80% taxes on every Euro that you make (I think its slightly higher as that 80-86%).
That is because incometax is high but you also pay taxes on EVERYTHING you buy, then there's taxes on your capital, taxes on any land you have.. etcetcetc.
I'm not anti-government we need a government or rather an organ of organisation to remove trash, clean up city's, keep infrastructure working etc.
Though I do think the monetary system is largely being exploited by small groups of people (in relation to the majority).
Class systems are still invisbly in effect.
But most of all its the banks that I despise.
I do think that allot of the people you will meet here who have been doing this for a while are not to keen on banks or the currenct financial system. Neither am I really.
Most people don't really understand the monetary system and I think most who do can be found here.
I don't think bitcoin use is anti-government. Maybe at the current time, governments are just not knowledgeable on how they can utilize the potential of bitcoins to their advantage. Right now, it is very difficult to control it given that its circulation is by means of the internet which is public and hard to regulate in general. However, many countries are already showing signs of interest and some are even planning to regulate or tax it.
Do not generalize it , Some Government acknowledges Bitcoin because they see it as a potential medium to create opportunities to their country including foreign investors, and Some Government see Bitcoin not harmful if regulated well .
Some countries may disagree with Bitcoin it is because they didn't studied it well, some of them see Bitcoin as a threath to their monetarynpolicies and discourages their controlling policies.
We cannot help but to accept that Bitcoin will be regulated by the Goverment, spexially when Bitcoin is cashd out inti fiat which means it is part of the responsibilities of the Government, so for me no hate to them but China's shitnss about spreading FUD and fake news is on another level. I just want them get shut uo ang stop tagging Bitcoin.
Some countries may disagree with Bitcoin it is because they didn't studied it well, some of them see Bitcoin as a threath to their monetarynpolicies and discourages their controlling policies.
We cannot help but to accept that Bitcoin will be regulated by the Goverment, spexially when Bitcoin is cashd out inti fiat which means it is part of the responsibilities of the Government, so for me no hate to them but China's shitnss about spreading FUD and fake news is on another level. I just want them get shut uo ang stop tagging Bitcoin.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
True. I was reading in some other topic too. People have built mentality that government is against Bitcoin because it is good for people.
They aren't aware of the fact that Bitcoin is serious threat to growing economy of the nations if not regulated wisely. There are tons of wrong doing happening in Bitcoin and can widened if Bitcoin isn't regulated soon in every nation. One of which is ICO. I do consider ICO to be the biggest threat to Bitcoin market, both legally as well as on the basis of survival. I am in favour that Bitcoin market must be regulated.
It becomes quite annoying when the government gets involved in everything. Let people choose what to deal with without its intervention. The thing is if the government gets involved, it will get its share and will put some troublesome regulations. That is why the government should not intervene.
Added to that statement, our government is not providing us with job opportunities. People are sick of being unemployed. Therefore, bitcoin is a life-saver. If it gets accepted by the government, then people will stop complaining about being unemployed.
Added to that statement, our government is not providing us with job opportunities. People are sick of being unemployed. Therefore, bitcoin is a life-saver. If it gets accepted by the government, then people will stop complaining about being unemployed.
"Anti government" probably isn't a fair description. "Anti big government" may be more accurate a term.
I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.
In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.
Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.
Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.
I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.
In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.
Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.
Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.
You have a great brain. Really, we have already tired from our government, politics, tax rates... As I understood, you live in US — and it isn't as worse as in Europe. Look at Russia, its neighbour countries — their life disgusting. Double-digit percent for house load, cars load, people haven't got enough monet, taxes always increase under the motto "your future will be better than your parents have, just wait some years". Politicans always lie to electorat, the last believe in that bullshit and nothing happens.
Sorry, I lied to you. Our life become a shit, we must learn English, work hard, earn money, and can't but even a flat, that costs less than $ 100,000... Free medicine is too expencive, free education is too expencive, it is disgustingly.
"Anti government" probably isn't a fair description. "Anti big government" may be more accurate a term.
I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.
In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.
Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.
Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.
I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.
In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.
Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.
Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.
You have a great brain. Really, we have already tired from our government, politics, tax rates... As I understood, you live in US — and it isn't as worse as in Europe. Look at Russia, its neighbour countries — their life disgusting. Double-digit percent for house load, cars load, people haven't got enough monet, taxes always increase under the motto "your future will be better than your parents have, just wait some years". Politicans always lie to electorat, the last believe in that bullshit and nothing happens.
Sorry, I lied to you. Our life become a shit, we must learn English, work hard, earn money, and can't but even a flat, that costs less than $ 100,000... Free medicine is too expencive, free education is too expencive, it is disgustingly.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
True. I was reading in some other topic too. People have built mentality that government is against Bitcoin because it is good for people.
They aren't aware of the fact that Bitcoin is serious threat to growing economy of the nations if not regulated wisely. There are tons of wrong doing happening in Bitcoin and can widened if Bitcoin isn't regulated soon in every nation. One of which is ICO. I do consider ICO to be the biggest threat to Bitcoin market, both legally as well as on the basis of survival. I am in favour that Bitcoin market must be regulated.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
Not everyone are against the Government when it is all about bitcoin and being decentralized, we are just sick about what they are doing repeatedly to the economy of a nation that always fails. I'm not saying all of them are like that but some of them are greedy as hell as they impose over tax to the citizens printing paper money that is controlled by them. We are fine with right process of regulation but planning to control the bitcoin by centralizing the transaction of it within the country but that's not gonna happen because that is not how bitcoin works. They are allergic to the blockchain technology because it has no centralization, transparency and has non-modification features. 
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
True. I was reading in some other topic too. People have built mentality that government is against Bitcoin because it is good for people.
They aren't aware of the fact that Bitcoin is serious threat to growing economy of the nations if not regulated wisely. There are tons of wrong doing happening in Bitcoin and can widened if Bitcoin isn't regulated soon in every nation. One of which is ICO. I do consider ICO to be the biggest threat to Bitcoin market, both legally as well as on the basis of survival. I am in favour that Bitcoin market must be regulated.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
I don't think it's anti-government (generally) as much as it is specifically anti-government control over private citizens money and wealth. And to be fair, banks play a huge role in this too.
It what scenario can you get access to your money without you or a merchant having to pay a fee?
The angst comes from living in a system where a middle man (the government or the banks) are constantly taking a cut. Bitcoin allows you to be your own bank...and the good and bad that comes with that.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
I'm not anti government, but I think the system is not working well in the vast majority of countries. Taxes are incredibly high, and on almost every country there is a small percent of people that live in luxury, at the expenses of the vast majority that works their whole life, almost on auto-pilot mode because they hardly have any time to think or pursuit their needs as a human being, since they are always worried because they can barely pay their bills.
There are also a lot of cases of corruption, and justice rarely does anything about it. Asking for decentralization, is not being anti-government, but rather seeking for a fairer society. It's a way to give us a chance to survive when governments screw up, because we are now in control of a decentralized store of value like gold, and we won't see our money become trash, just because our country leaders were greedy.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
The government takes almost 50% taxes from the salary of every person and still that is not enough for every project a country needs.It is logically why people dont want governments to take control. If that would happen governments will apply a minimum 20% tax for every income a person earns through bitcoin, even if it is not profit(same as sports gambling where it doesnt matter if you are in profit or not, if you withdraw something you pay taxes)I think we are lucky that governments didn't created any law for cryptocurrencies until now and we should be happy until it is going to happen.
What bitcoin is trying to offer is lowering the taxes that the government are getting from people, imagine the current process on money transfer how many times will the government tax that the funds that you are trying to transfer before it goes to the person where you sent it. Bitcoin's concept might be against the way how governments wants to do it but that is also the reason why people are choosing bitcoin.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
The government takes almost 50% taxes from the salary of every person and still that is not enough for every project a country needs.It is logically why people dont want governments to take control. If that would happen governments will apply a minimum 20% tax for every income a person earns through bitcoin, even if it is not profit(same as sports gambling where it doesnt matter if you are in profit or not, if you withdraw something you pay taxes)I think we are lucky that governments didn't created any law for cryptocurrencies until now and we should be happy until it is going to happen.
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
Are you surprised? I actually am that you are a government supporter. Do you honestly believe that if someone else decides for you it's all gonna be fine? Are you scared and in need of protection? Do you want other people to handle your money and tell you what you should and shouldn't do? If not wanting it makes me anti government than I am.
I don't want to be oppressed. We are living in a world of masters and slaves where people still have power over each other, and that power is bought with fiat money.
You should know that bitcoin is the way out from that kind of system on the economics, i dont know why you are in here if you really love banks and all that stuff just like you are saying on that post.
We all are here for only one purpose, making some money, and just to be descentralized for a while and keep making money without having to pay incredible taxes just for earning a few bucks.
that is the main reason of why we all are so susceptible about this problem, and you are lucky because this forum is not like it was before.
We all are here for only one purpose, making some money, and just to be descentralized for a while and keep making money without having to pay incredible taxes just for earning a few bucks.
that is the main reason of why we all are so susceptible about this problem, and you are lucky because this forum is not like it was before.
This is something that makes me a dilemma, on the one hand I want bitcoin set by the government in my country, so the use of bitcoin can be free without any obstacles, so far I am hampered because the government in my country still has not decided on bitcoin, if bitcoin has been legalized in my country , I have the freedom to transact using bitcoin in offline. But on the one hand I do not want bitcoin set by the government for the use of bitcoin can be free without any law that is prophecy for bitcoin.
They wont really able to regulate that stuff even on imposing directly tax on it.Knowing bitcoin is an decentralized thing thats why most government would really see this as an issue which they would really tend to ban or block it and we did see this already on some countries which is really sad because they do only saw the negative side of bitcoin without trying to see its benefits. I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.
I earn 1000 unit of money each month and they take 500 unit of money out as the income tax. Why shall I advocate the government in this position?
I'm anti-tax, not an anti-government guy. They don't have right for that much tax to charge from us.
if bitcoin has been legalized in my country , I have the freedom to transact using bitcoin in offline.
What exactly do you mean by that? Using Bitcoin as currency tool in local situations (e.g. grocery shopping, etc)? If so, then you could at least attempt to launch a certain initiative to make local stores accept Bitcoin as 1) publicity stunt, and 2) a potentially extra form of incoming revenue. People quite often say that they want to use Bitcoin to pay for things, but if you want to make it really happen, then at least put some effort in it. It's that, or either potentially waiting years to see them accept Bitcoin as payment option (if ever).
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