Why the merit system is heavily lopsided in favour of older users

TMAN

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Quote from: Bershie on April 14, 2018, 02:56:40 AM

Quote from: gua86402 on February 11, 2018, 09:58:54 PM

This is really unfair to other members.

I find it hard to get Merit, and it is harder for people who are not English to get Merit.

10 Merit is out of reach for me, 100 Merit seems to be an astronomical number!

Its not unfair and its not the reason if you are not English you cant get merit. Maybe your not observing and do research on this furom or even analyze this thread that you post with. Its a good example of how you can get merit in a very good way. Take time reading before post like this.

Wtf is this shit you have posted? Lots and lots of non native speakers have merits, I have helped numerous examples level up. You sunshine need to learn to read, IRL I would tell someone like you that you have two ears and one mouth, so you should listen twice as much as you speak. As we are online the rule is read 100x more than you post.

Bershie

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Quote from: gua86402 on February 11, 2018, 09:58:54 PM

This is really unfair to other members.

I find it hard to get Merit, and it is harder for people who are not English to get Merit.

10 Merit is out of reach for me, 100 Merit seems to be an astronomical number!

Its not unfair and its not the reason if you are not English you cant get merit. Maybe your not observing and do research on this furom or even analyze this thread that you post with. Its a good example of how you can get merit in a very good way. Take time reading before post like this.

The Sceptical Chymist

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I agree with actmyname on this. There's a bit of Darwinian natural selection going on with older members who've survived long enough to become Legendary. They did so by not getting banned and probably by getting enough encouragement throughout the years to continue posting on bitcointalk. It makes total sense to me that older members are the ones who write some of the best posts--not all of them, mind you, but I've given plenty of merits to Heros and Legendaries because I value their posts, whereas a lot of the noobs I see are only here to spam for campaigns.

That's why it seems lopsided to those relative newbies who can't write proper sentences and then wonder why their merit count isn't increasing. A lot of them seem very deluded about their writing skills and their degree of contribution to this forum. You're not going to earn merits by posting one-line garbage (or garbage, period), and they just don't see how all of those posts in Bitcoin Discussion, giving the same answers to questions again and again, is garbage. Nobody is going to give merits for that crap.

actmyname

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Quote from: plumosemagellanicR on April 13, 2018, 09:00:28 PM

Is it really so? Then it is so injustice with the newcommers

Is it really so?

Yeah. It's in favor of older users. The ones that have been around longer and should have more experience. After all, you wouldn't call someone who joined 30 days ago a Sr. Member, would you?

Also, nice spam posting:

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plumosemagellanicR

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Is it really so? Then it is so injustice with the newcommers

KingScorpio

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Activity: 1470

Merit: 325

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 06:29:43 PM

This is not a rant about why merit sucks; imo it's a good and interesting system, but the amount of bias that comes into play is insane. For example, when I joined the forum, the merit system was already implemented. It is already evident to me that it is very hard to get merit, much less get to 100 or 1000. But, had I stayed on the forum only 4-5 days before merit was implemented, and had I posted around a bit, when the merit system rolled in I would have automatically gotten 100 merit points - something that now takes weeks, if not months of quality posting.

For Members and above, it's really no biggie, since they get free merit. But for newbies like myself, getting to the next rank is exponentially higher because you really have to grind. Grinding isn't bad... but imo it's really unfair. Just a mini-rant.

this forum is same pyramid system as bitcoin is, get used to them, the pyramid of gizeh was build in its shape for a reason to make everyone understand reality that cant be denied but that constantly is beeing denied.

TMAN

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I think developers ae cunning because they want to keep the hold of the aleady memebers by giving them privileges

That is it - you are correct, it has nothing to do with shitposting, nothing to do with the forum being over run with total nonsense made up language, nothing to do with bots posting drivel and 100% nothing to do with people who post total shit like you?

could be wrong though!

krishnaverma

full member

Activity: 1470

Merit: 108

Quote from: Bessta on April 09, 2018, 01:27:13 AM

I believe merit system was created to cleanse the forum and yes ranking up became harder to attain but posts made after the merit system are more sensible and helpful. A "change" for improvement is hard to accept at the start of implementation but people will get used to the "change" as days pass by.

I do not agree to this completely. Some members are malign quality posts in hope of merits but rest are still spamming only. Also, as soon as a member gets the desired merits for next rank, he starts with past approach to increase activity. If you go thorough the recent discussions in bitcoin discussion or alt coin section, you will find a number of people posting one liners just to increase the post count.

Bessta

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Activity: 560

Merit: 101

I believe merit system was created to cleanse the forum and yes ranking up became harder to attain but posts made after the merit system are more sensible and helpful. A "change" for improvement is hard to accept at the start of implementation but people will get used to the "change" as days pass by.

yojodojo21

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Activity: 420

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 29, 2018, 06:37:58 PM

Quote from: Welsh on January 29, 2018, 06:34:32 PM

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 06:29:43 PM

For Members and above, it's really no biggie, since they get free merit. But for newbies like myself, getting to the next rank is exponentially higher because you really have to grind. Grinding isn't bad... but imo it's really unfair. Just a mini-rant.

I think it's unfair to allow people to rank up by spamming and posting in activity periods. This system might not be perfect, but it's already showing that it's effective against account farming and encouraging users to post more constructively.

Indeed it is, but if you read what he wrote with understanding, you'd realize he was saying the system is good, but a lot of members ranked up by spamming and posting, which is true.

It really isn't fair that someone with 120 activity starts with a 100 Merits, and one with 112 activity starts with 10 Merits.

A lot of us probably wouldn't be Legendaries or Heroes if the Merit system was here from the beginning.
Theymos probably didn't want to degrade all of us back to 0, but it would probably be the most fair option if all of us started from 0 Merits.
We still have the upper-hand because we have enough activity to rank up, and some older posts someone will eventually read and perhaps spend some sMerits.
I'm getting annoyed by everyone talking to newbies like they're the scum of the earth.
First listen, then talk.
EDIT: Okay, the edit you made kind of changes the context, now that's a nice reply.
Not like much I've read here so far.

I really Like the Idea of implementing merit as a new feature to lessen scammers of alt accounts that abuse signature campaigns, but what you say is a fair way, so maybe admin should've given the merit starting from zero so that it would be fair and square, but still He is the administrator of this forum so we just have to respect what decision He may do.

merit sources have different taste, somebody like constructive, somebody also likes being honest. so all in all we just have to go with the flow, it's for the sake of the forum.

knackergays8

newbie

Activity: 68

Merit: 0

I didnt know about this discrimination yet? and if it is so then though i am a member since before the system was implied i havent got any merits

concatmedial8

newbie

Activity: 35

Merit: 0

If it was in my hands i would give merits to both the newbies and the already remained members but according to their rank. Higher rank lesser merit

DannyHamilton

legendary

Activity: 3472

Merit: 4801

Quote from: nullius on February 16, 2018, 10:37:03 PM

Users can almost automatically trust the technical accuracy of any post awarded merit by . . . DannyHamilton . . .

This is not entirely true.

Per my merit sending policy page, I am generally willing to award a small amount of merit to any user that I believe is making an honest effort to learn:

Quote from: DannyHamilton on January 25, 2018, 11:03:03 AM

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I don't care how good (or bad) your english or grammar is. If you are sincerely trying to learn, or helping with CORRECT information where you can, then you deserve merit.
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Being ACTUALLY helpful in the Bitcoin Technical Support or Development & Technical Discussion sub-forums (without a signature ad) will VERY LIKELY earn you merit from me.
Asking well thought out questions in the Bitcoin Technical Support or Development & Technical Discussion sub-forums (without a signature ad) with a sincere interest in learning about something specific that confuses you will VERY LIKELY earn you merit from me.

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A post doesn't need to have high technical accuracy to earn merit from me. It simply needs to be helpful, and reasonably correct, or needs to be a reasonable attempt to learn. I will reply to the thread with additional details if I feel that the merited post isn't 100% accurate or leaves open questions.

alia

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 23, 2018, 02:11:58 AM

Quote from: nullius on February 23, 2018, 01:09:26 AM

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 07:52:43 PM

I think I'm an outlier. If I have 100 merit in 30 days, I'll eat all my words and post a vid of me masturbating to a merit infographic

Congratulations, Alia. An outlier you are, indeed.

Hey, I wanted to post this!
Well, then let me point out it's this exact post that got her the 100th Merit from PoolMinor:

Code:

]Today at 05:57:08 AM: 8 from PoolMinor for Re: Why the merit system is heavily lopsided in favour of older users

I'm starting to wonder what "a vid" is, according to Google images, it's grapes!

Any offers for when you reach 250?

Did you just get your nickname changed? Theymos must really like you!

I've had a situation where my account username was known by some people in my real life - which sucks because I had a bunch of nudes on this account. Bad timing for me to hit 100 merit. But, I'll keep my promise, and when I feel it is safe I'll be posting that vid for a short time. The username change was necessary to prevent something like that from happening again. Love you theymos <3

SM23031997

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Activity: 1092

Merit: 582

Quote from: LoyceV on February 23, 2018, 02:11:58 AM

Did you just get your nickname changed? Theymos must really like you!

Maybe Theymos getting free special video session for that?

Quote from: LoyceV on February 23, 2018, 02:11:58 AM

Any offers for when you reach 250?

Yeah, love to hear new promise from her.

LoyceV

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Quote from: nullius on February 23, 2018, 01:09:26 AM

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 07:52:43 PM

I think I'm an outlier. If I have 100 merit in 30 days, I'll eat all my words and post a vid of me masturbating to a merit infographic

Congratulations, Alia. An outlier you are, indeed.

Hey, I wanted to post this!
Well, then let me point out it's this exact post that got her the 100th Merit from PoolMinor:

Code:

]Today at 05:57:08 AM: 8 from PoolMinor for Re: Why the merit system is heavily lopsided in favour of older users

I'm starting to wonder what "a vid" is, according to Google images, it's grapes!

Any offers for when you reach 250?

Did you just get your nickname changed? Theymos must really like you!

nullius

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Quote from: nullius on February 16, 2018, 11:53:24 AM

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 07:52:43 PM

I think I'm an outlier. If I have 100 merit in 30 days, I'll eat all my words and post a vid of me masturbating to a merit infographic

Hello, Alia, you sly meretrix....

Alas, you’ve been slacking off. Though you made an earnest start, your rate of earning merit has dropped off sharply; and the days now fly by as we approach the 30-day deadline of 2018-03-01 00:52:43 UTC. Bad girl.

The Famous Post	2018-01-30 00:52:43
100th Merit	2018-02-23 04:57:08

3 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 4 minutes, 25 seconds.

Code:

$ bc
24*86400 + 4*3600 + 4*60 + 25
2088265

Congratulations, Alia. An outlier you are, indeed.

(Good girl.)

akamit

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Activity: 1498

Merit: 596

Quote from: alia on January 30, 2018, 06:35:14 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 30, 2018, 06:29:31 AM

It's nice to see a Newbie with more Merit than Activity! Welcome to Bitcointalk, glad you joined!

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 06:29:43 PM

But for newbies like myself, getting to the next rank is exponentially higher because you really have to grind. Grinding isn't bad... but imo it's really unfair. Just a mini-rant.

The Merit system is meant to stop spammers from ranking up. You're doing just fine, and clearly you're not part of the many users that create random useless posts.

You may want to read Merit is the best thing that happened to new users too. Thanks to the Merit system, you're now not just one out of thousands of Newbies who register each day, you're now one of the few Newbies who's posts can easily be recognized to be worth reading.

Well, if you put it that way, it makes perfect sense. Interestingly enough, my love for the merit system is directly proportional to the number of merit points I have Grin

I agree with Loyce.

Pulled out 18 days old post just to say that you are good and you are doing better than me.
The way you are getting merits, I think you will achieve Hero rank before I achieve Legendary. The way I'm progressing, at least 5 years more needed to achieve Legendary rank.

Just follow the QUALITY and Merits will follow you.

zool2003

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Quote from: SM23031997 on February 17, 2018, 02:23:45 PM

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 07:52:43 PM

I think I'm an outlier. If I have 100 merit in 30 days, I'll eat all my words and post a vid of me masturbating to a merit infographic

I'll help you to reach that on 28 Feb in case if you won't able to cross that mark before that(Although, I'm pretty sure you will be there before time).

9 merit in less than 24 hours it will be done a week early!

SM23031997

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Activity: 1092

Merit: 582

Quote from: alia on January 29, 2018, 07:52:43 PM

I think I'm an outlier. If I have 100 merit in 30 days, I'll eat all my words and post a vid of me masturbating to a merit infographic

I'll help you to reach that on 28 Feb in case if you won't able to cross that mark before that(Although, I'm pretty sure you will be there before time).

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