Why USA Should Supply more Offensive Weapons to Ukraine

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Quote from: misterrtwisterr on December 17, 2022, 03:11:40 PM

Putin is definitely playing the long game here...

It was unlikely that that was his plan - he wanted to capture Ukraine in 2 weeks Cheesy

I don't think Putin started the game solo. There was collusion to surrender of Ukraine since 2014 between Putin and a number of corrupt governments. But Trump got in the way. And in 2022, they unexpectedly faced the refusal of President Zelensky to escape from Ukraine, the heroic resistance of the Ukrainians and the active help of Boris Johnson.

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Quote from: misterrtwisterr on December 17, 2022, 03:28:45 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 17, 2022, 03:20:54 PM

The West's answer might be fusion, both cold and hot. Here are 3 interesting links that show that usable fusion in the home and car might be just around the corner... or here already... if we could only push governments and industry into manufacturing it.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337064-2022-12-16-first-light-fusion-technical-talks-on-projectile-fusion.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337052-2022-12-15-exclusive-hot-fusion-breakthrough-only-allowed-because-of-cold-fusion.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337115-2022-12-17-cold-fusion-could-allow-your-electric-car-to-charge-itself.htm

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I don't think energy lobby would ever allow an electric car that charges itself with cold fusion. Maybe if it's so heavily taxed that running it equals owning a ICE car. It's probably going to be a mix of hybrids, ICE's, EV's and hydrogen cars. But fully electric future is hardly possible.

In the US, people are waking up about how to bypass government in a whole lot of things. It hasn't gotten to cold fusion yet, but it might sometime. Private Membership Association - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Private+Membership+Association.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 17, 2022, 03:20:54 PM

The West's answer might be fusion, both cold and hot. Here are 3 interesting links that show that usable fusion in the home and car might be just around the corner... or here already... if we could only push governments and industry into manufacturing it.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337064-2022-12-16-first-light-fusion-technical-talks-on-projectile-fusion.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337052-2022-12-15-exclusive-hot-fusion-breakthrough-only-allowed-because-of-cold-fusion.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337115-2022-12-17-cold-fusion-could-allow-your-electric-car-to-charge-itself.htm

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I don't think energy lobby would ever allow an electric car that charges itself with cold fusion. Maybe if it's so heavily taxed that running it equals owning a ICE car. It's probably going to be a mix of hybrids, ICE's, EV's and hydrogen cars. But fully electric future is hardly possible.

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The West's answer might be fusion, both cold and hot. Here are 3 interesting links that show that usable fusion in the home and car might be just around the corner... or here already... if we could only push governments and industry into manufacturing it.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337064-2022-12-16-first-light-fusion-technical-talks-on-projectile-fusion.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337052-2022-12-15-exclusive-hot-fusion-breakthrough-only-allowed-because-of-cold-fusion.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337115-2022-12-17-cold-fusion-could-allow-your-electric-car-to-charge-itself.htm

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Quote from: BADecker on December 16, 2022, 05:50:32 PM

^^^ In keeping within the topic, Putin can't wait for more weapons to be sent to Ukraine. The more that are sent, the poorer the nations who send them become.

Putin knows that his Russia can handle a lot more grief. So he's laughing all the way to the bank from:
1. The weapons he steals from Ukraine and sells or uses;
2. The unaccounted-for cash flow that makes it from Ukraine to Russia;
3. BRICS and the new nations that want to join her;
4. The new gas pipeline to China... and soon to Mongolia and other parts of China;
5. All kinds of innovative advances that will make Russia strong... because of the war.

In fact, Putin is scared MOST that the sending of money and weapons to Ukraine will stop too soon. Just think if the people of the US and Europe could control their banking and their governments... and shut down weapons to Ukraine. All the West nations might just rescue themselves from financial destruction. And that is what scares Putin the most. Not the Ukraine military and their feeble attempts to do something bad to Russia.

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Putin is definitely playing the long game here. And you're right - Russians can handle a lot more grief. Certainly more than westerners. He has three things - people, gas and oil. Last two things in practically unlimited quantities. The west however, and by that mostly Europe, will have to use every imaginable trick to secure gas for each winter from 2022 forward. Given how sensitive geopolitical situation is, other natural gas suppliers might leverage that and secure beneficial deals for them, and those deals might not be so beneficial for Europe. All in all, the west is underestimating Russia, and even making fun of it. Not so smart.

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^^^ In keeping within the topic, Putin can't wait for more weapons to be sent to Ukraine. The more that are sent, the poorer the nations who send them become.

Putin knows that his Russia can handle a lot more grief. So he's laughing all the way to the bank from:
1. The weapons he steals from Ukraine and sells or uses;
2. The unaccounted-for cash flow that makes it from Ukraine to Russia;
3. BRICS and the new nations that want to join her;
4. The new gas pipeline to China... and soon to Mongolia and other parts of China;
5. All kinds of innovative advances that will make Russia strong... because of the war.

In fact, Putin is scared MOST that the sending of money and weapons to Ukraine will stop too soon. Just think if the people of the US and Europe could control their banking and their governments... and shut down weapons to Ukraine. All the West nations might just rescue themselves from financial destruction. And that is what scares Putin the most. Not the Ukraine military and their feeble attempts to do something bad to Russia.

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It was obvious from the start that Putin will not abandon his adventure.

He has to be captured or killed like any other serial killer dictator.

The world needs to be cleansed from Rashists.

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Quote from: Dripstoil on June 09, 2022, 03:15:41 AM

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Note: I've never been in support of straining the USA resources to fight foreign wars that does not concern us but this is different. Ukraine will pay for the weapons and a dictator has to be stopped before it's too late.

The United States is obliged to provide all possible assistance to Ukraine in accordance with the Budapest Memorandum. But the ~~Biden (,?)~~ Obama administrations are not doing that.

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Quote from: Dripstoil on June 19, 2022, 12:03:54 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 18, 2022, 05:20:22 PM

Don't forget the part about the sanctions against Russia, sanctions that are making Russia rich, and weakening the West, through Russia increasing the price for the West to do business with her, to get the supplies the West needs from her. You seem to forget the vast amounts of mineral rich land Russia owns... Siberia. Russia is just playing around with the West and her Ukraine sort-of ally.

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LOL...

Ukrainian forces killed 28 Russian troops and destroyed one T-62 tank, one radar station, one fuel tanker, and other military vehicles. According to the Independent Newspaper, Kiev.

⚡️Ukraine’s military strikes cluster of Russian forces in Kherson Oblast.

Ukraine’s Operational Command “South” reported on June 18 that it carried out four air raids in southern Ukraine.

Give a monkey a typewriter, and he's liable to spell a word sometime.

Give the Ukrainian military some weapons, and they're liable to bash a few Russians once in a while.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 18, 2022, 05:20:22 PM

Don't forget the part about the sanctions against Russia, sanctions that are making Russia rich, and weakening the West, through Russia increasing the price for the West to do business with her, to get the supplies the West needs from her. You seem to forget the vast amounts of mineral rich land Russia owns... Siberia. Russia is just playing around with the West and her Ukraine sort-of ally.

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LOL...

Ukrainian forces killed 28 Russian troops and destroyed one T-62 tank, one radar station, one fuel tanker, and other military vehicles. According to the Independent Newspaper, Kiev.

⚡️Ukraine’s military strikes cluster of Russian forces in Kherson Oblast.

Ukraine’s Operational Command “South” reported on June 18 that it carried out four air raids in southern Ukraine.

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Quote from: Dripstoil on June 18, 2022, 07:01:25 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 16, 2022, 01:21:28 PM

Supplying Ukraine with more offensive weapons, will simply give more to Russia as they gradually take the Ukraine over. The Russia can sell them on the black market and make a big profit.

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There's only one outcome for this war which is the inevitable further disintegration of the Russia Federation. Putin played into the USA hands without knowing it by opening up an indirect war front against the USA. The consequence is that US will continue to directly or indirectly sponsor the Ukraine to wage this war until Russia is completely weakened. Similar to what we did with the Afghans against same Russia.

While that is going on, the CIA is probably working on one, two or more serious oppositions against the Putin's regime. Soon he'll be waging real wars and political wars on multiple fronts.

With the American support, Ukraine is ready and willing to fight for years. And there'll be unlimited supply of weapons from the USA. China would have suffered the same faith but seems to be wise enough to not have engaged Taiwan.

ONLY TWO OPTIONS EXISTS FOR PUTIN

1. Withdraw from Ukraine with tail behind his back. Go home and continue to build his country to be great while enjoying his lifetime presidency in peace.

2. Continue with this mess until Russia is fully disintegrated.

The choice is his to make and he got to be wise about it. You simply can't defeat The USA in proxy wars. They've tried it before and failed and this can't be any different.

Don't forget the part about the sanctions against Russia, sanctions that are making Russia rich, and weakening the West, through Russia increasing the price for the West to do business with her, to get the supplies the West needs from her. You seem to forget the vast amounts of mineral rich land Russia owns... Siberia. Russia is just playing around with the West and her Ukraine sort-of ally.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 16, 2022, 01:21:28 PM

Supplying Ukraine with more offensive weapons, will simply give more to Russia as they gradually take the Ukraine over. The Russia can sell them on the black market and make a big profit.

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There's only one outcome for this war which is the inevitable further disintegration of the Russia Federation. Putin played into the USA hands without knowing it by opening up an indirect war front against the USA. The consequence is that US will continue to directly or indirectly sponsor the Ukraine to wage this war until Russia is completely weakened. Similar to what we did with the Afghans against same Russia.

While that is going on, the CIA is probably working on one, two or more serious oppositions against the Putin's regime. Soon he'll be waging real wars and political wars on multiple fronts.

With the American support, Ukraine is ready and willing to fight for years. And there'll be unlimited supply of weapons from the USA. China would have suffered the same faith but seems to be wise enough to not have engaged Taiwan.

ONLY TWO OPTIONS EXISTS FOR PUTIN

1. Withdraw from Ukraine with tail behind his back. Go home and continue to build his country to be great while enjoying his lifetime presidency in peace.

2. Continue with this mess until Russia is fully disintegrated.

The choice is his to make and he got to be wise about it. You simply can't defeat The USA in proxy wars. They've tried it before and failed and this can't be any different.

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It looks like arms donations to Ukraine are dying out. There are what seem to be demands, but nobody is following through on the demands. It will be interesting to see if Biden listens to the demands and really does it.

NATO Summit Demands: More Weapons For Ukraine!

Quote from: http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/327246-2022-06-16-nato-summit-demands-more-weapons-for-ukraine.htm

The rhetoric at the NATO summit this week is predictable: we must send more weapons to Ukraine! But behind the rehearsed facade, there are increasing cracks in the alliance...and among the peoples of Europe. Even Blinken is changing his tune a bit...

NATO Summit Demands: More Weapons For Ukraine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5kNFBsCTMM

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Quote from: Waradlain on June 16, 2022, 03:18:40 PM

He's even worse. You must be new here so I'll explain in a few words.
This guy is insane. I mean literally nuts. He constantly posts some absolute nonsense taken from shady websites mixed with conspiracy theories and qanon bs. You'll never have a dialogue with him so Id suggest to avoid at all costs.

True true.
After he told me that Ukraine is attacking russian cities from 2014, I've come to the same conclusion as you and just add this dude to my ignore list.

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Quote from: Dripstoil on June 12, 2022, 10:10:32 PM

Quote from: BADecker on June 10, 2022, 11:53:42 AM

Quote from: johhnyUA on June 10, 2022, 10:03:15 AM

The best training - is on the battlefield. USA and other countries before supplying weapons to Ukraine, teach out soldiers at first. And after that our army practicing against orcs hordes Cool

So yeah, the best way to teach ukrainian military is to provide more heavy weaponry to it.

It's so sad that all these nice, young, Ukrainian soldiers have to die in training, but what else could anyone expect? Wishes and hopes don't make what is happening. And what is happening is that the part of the Ukraine that has become corrupt is failing. But the whole war is a cover for other things that are going on.

Your argument is that Ukraine young soldiers are going to die if they get the supply of modern offensive weapons but will live and be very ok if no weapon is provided to them? I guess you're a terrible Russian propagandist who's so bad at his job that he needs to be fired twice for doing a bad job.

He's even worse. You must be new here so I'll explain in a few words.
This guy is insane. I mean literally nuts. He constantly posts some absolute nonsense taken from shady websites mixed with conspiracy theories and qanon bs. You'll never have a dialogue with him so Id suggest to avoid at all costs.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 09, 2022, 09:07:30 AM

Why USA Should Supply more Offensive Weapons to Ukraine

There is one major reason why. Provides more jobs for American war machine manufacturers. Bring the US economy back up, even if it is through manufacturing war machines. I should get a job in that industry. I don't know what those guys get paid, but it should be at least $100 per hour.

Btw, with inflation going like it is and is going to be, soon fast food workers will be getting $100 per hour.

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>>fast food workers will be getting $100 per hour

It's a good money. You should finally get a job.

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Supplying Ukraine with more offensive weapons, will simply give more to Russia as they gradually take the Ukraine over. The Russia can sell them on the black market and make a big profit.

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Quote from: af_newbie on June 14, 2022, 10:36:38 PM

Quote from: Hetadrop on June 14, 2022, 06:33:34 PM

Quote from: yazher on June 13, 2022, 11:42:04 PM

Since they are getting more and more supplies in the past months, the war will never end soon and the result will be even worse in the upcoming days.

Result when Ukraine gets more weapons will be better!
Because Ukraine will have more opportunities to gain terretory back and drive out russian opressors.

Like when russians marched towards Kyiv to occupy it, Ukraine achieved to push out russians out of ukrainian terretory. Now, it's peace around Kyiv.
Ukraine needs more weapons immediately to push all ruZZians back to RuZZia.

Quote from: yazher on June 13, 2022, 11:42:04 PM

What really concerns me is when they started to nuke each other, though we are miles and miles away from them, we will be affected and mostly our economy will fall.

Putin should just leave Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal. He is not allowed to start a war against Ukraine.
It's like Hitler was not allowed to start a war.
Same for Putin.
He's a war criminal.

Putin's Russia can only be stopped by force.

All Western countries should intervene in Ukraine to destroy the Russian army, once and for all.

New fronts should be opened in Georgia, Chechnya, Finland, Kaliningrad, and Kamchatka. All at once.

I've said it time and again, you can't stop this war by appeasing Russia and Putin. The world should rise up in full force against the Kremlin and crush them with maximum force. They started the war without any predicate. Therefore, the world shouldn't take permission from them to end the war.

Forget about nuclear weapons. Russia is not too stupid to play with their own annihilation by attempting nuclear confrontation with the USA. Yes, Russian has thousands of stockpiles but America has the best and far superior nuclear defense system and Russia knows it. USA also has the best and the most efficient means to deliver nuclear warheads.

Attach Russia from all fronts and watch them crumble. Appeasing them will only prolong the Ukrainians suffering. Opening a new front in Georgia, Chechnya, Finland, Kaliningrad, and Kamchatka like you said will box Russia into a corner and quickly bring this war to an end. Same as with Germany and Japan.

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Quote from: Hetadrop on June 14, 2022, 06:33:34 PM

Quote from: yazher on June 13, 2022, 11:42:04 PM

Since they are getting more and more supplies in the past months, the war will never end soon and the result will be even worse in the upcoming days.

Result when Ukraine gets more weapons will be better!
Because Ukraine will have more opportunities to gain terretory back and drive out russian opressors.

Like when russians marched towards Kyiv to occupy it, Ukraine achieved to push out russians out of ukrainian terretory. Now, it's peace around Kyiv.
Ukraine needs more weapons immediately to push all ruZZians back to RuZZia.

Quote from: yazher on June 13, 2022, 11:42:04 PM

What really concerns me is when they started to nuke each other, though we are miles and miles away from them, we will be affected and mostly our economy will fall.

Putin should just leave Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal. He is not allowed to start a war against Ukraine.
It's like Hitler was not allowed to start a war.
Same for Putin.
He's a war criminal.

Putin's Russia can only be stopped by force.

All Western countries should intervene in Ukraine to destroy the Russian army, once and for all.

New fronts should be opened in Georgia, Chechnya, Finland, Kaliningrad, and Kamchatka. All at once.

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Quote from: yazher on June 13, 2022, 11:42:04 PM

Since they are getting more and more supplies in the past months, the war will never end soon and the result will be even worse in the upcoming days.

Result when Ukraine gets more weapons will be better!
Because Ukraine will have more opportunities to gain terretory back and drive out russian opressors.

Like when russians marched towards Kyiv to occupy it, Ukraine achieved to push out russians out of ukrainian terretory. Now, it's peace around Kyiv.
Ukraine needs more weapons immediately to push all ruZZians back to RuZZia.

Quote from: yazher on June 13, 2022, 11:42:04 PM

What really concerns me is when they started to nuke each other, though we are miles and miles away from them, we will be affected and mostly our economy will fall.

Putin should just leave Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal. He is not allowed to start a war against Ukraine.
It's like Hitler was not allowed to start a war.
Same for Putin.
He's a war criminal.

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