Topic: Why USA Should Supply more Offensive Weapons to Ukraine - page 2. (Read 485 times)

Your argument is that Ukraine young soldiers are going to die if they get the supply of modern offensive weapons but will live and be very ok if no weapon is provided to them? I guess you're a terrible Russian propagandist who's so bad at his job that he needs to be fired twice for doing a bad job.

After being removed from her position for lying about Russian soldiers raping Ukrainians, former Ukrainian Parliamentary Commissioner for Human Rights Lyudmila Denisova finally fessed up to making up the fairy tale in an attempt to score more weapons from the West.

In a vote of no confidence that was passed in a 234 to 9 vote, Denisova was pulled from the position and shamed for spreading misinformation that “only harmed Ukraine,” according to parliament member Pavlo Frolov. Denisova presented “numerous details of ‘unnatural sexual offenses’ and child sexual abuses in the occupied territories [that] were unsupported by evidence,” he added.

In a later interview with a Ukrainian news outlet, Denisova admitted that she manufactured lies on purpose and that they were successful in convincing Italy, which is the example she used, to procure Ukraine more weapons to fight against Russia.

“When, for example, I spoke in the Italian parliament at the Committee on International Affairs, I heard and saw such fatigue from Ukraine, you know? I talked about terrible things in order to somehow push them to make the decisions that Ukraine and the Ukrainian people need,” Denisova explained.

Italy’s Five Star Movement, she went on to reveal, was originally “against the provision of weapons to us, but after my speech, one of the party leaders … said that they will support [Ukraine], including by the provision of weapons.”
CNN and the Washington Post both spread Denisova’s lies (among many others)

Even though it was easily verifiable that Denisova was pulling these rape stories out of her behind, fake news giants such as CNN and the Washington Post ran them, repeating them ad nauseum to their scant viewers.

“The media was quick to put this woman’s BS claims out, but couldn’t care less about correcting the record,” wrote Chris Menahan from Information Liberation about the travesty that is Western “news.”

...

...or... hear me out...  The USA could choose to mind their own business and worry about supplying more offensive weapons to their own citizenry so that we never have to worry about anyone trying to infringe on our basic human rights like the people from Ukraine are now feeling.  That would be crazy right?  Imagine a government supplying their own citizens with weapons...  Better to use Ukraine as a proxy and let those people suffer, right?

It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on.  War by big governments is wrong and we all lose, because it only leads to more government control.  Politicians are caught in a feedback loop with the military industrial complex to line their pockets and just for fun politicians have decided that letting big pharma onto their teats would really make them rich.  Next up will be food (it's already started, our supply chain is currently under attack), then housing (inflation/deflation anyone?).  I only hope that Bitcoin proves to be the lifeline it is claimed to be.  I have my doubts, but it seems we'll have our answer in the next 1-3 years.

I think more American assets in Ukraine is a bad idea

Do you really think that having more weapons would help Ukraine end this war faster?

  Even Biden came out publicly and said that we can't stop Russia from doing whatever they want with Ukraine. 

Neither of those things are in the best interests of the Ukrainian people. 

I don't believe in this proxy war bullshit because the wrong people end up being victims, in this case Ukrainians.

You should came here, to Ukraine, and watch it by yourself. Maybe in that case you'll stop all your shitty takes about "proxy", "global games" etc. We have aggressor and victim.

When your ass in comfort and without a chance to be hit by a missile it's good condition for such sophisticated talks.

The best training - is on the battlefield. USA and other countries before supplying weapons to Ukraine, teach out soldiers at first. And after that our army practicing against orcs hordes 

So yeah, the best way to teach ukrainian military is to provide more heavy weaponry to it.

Oh, and how are they affording $9 million for those houses?  Is U.S. "foreign aid" being stolen so they can buy multi-million dollar mansions?

Like most countries, Switzerland has land registry records showing who owns a particular property, how much it sold for, and what taxes are paid on it.  Extracts from those land registries can be accessed by the general public.

Among the owners of luxury real estate in the country of banks and alpine meadows, are high-ranking officials from Zelensky's entourage.

We begin with Dmitry Razumkov, a Ukrainian politician and former Chairman of the Verkhovna (Legislature).

According to land registry extract Mr. Razumkov seems to have bought himself a luxurious home for 8,954,621.00 Swiss Francs, which are about equal to the value of a U.S. Dollar.  His name is at the bottom of the property sale record:

...

But without proper training (and not a daily course) Ukraine army with high-tech weapons will be mishitting everything as stormtroopers

Now, imagine them being equipped with advanced high-tech offensive made in the USA weapons?

Why USA Should Supply more Offensive Weapons to Ukraine

Russia needs to build its arsenal. Now they can do this easily... by taking the US weapons away from the Ukrainians as the Ukrainian soldiers surrender.

Better to use Ukraine as a proxy and let those people suffer, right?

I've heard anyone say Putin didn't have the guts to invade...  He's sort of known for being a man's man who is fearless. 

...or... hear me out...  The USA could choose to mind their own business and worry about supplying more offensive weapons to their own citizenry so that we never have to worry about anyone trying to infringe on our basic human rights like the people from Ukraine are now feeling.  That would be crazy right?  Imagine a government supplying their own citizens with weapons...  Better to use Ukraine as a proxy and let those people suffer, right?

It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on.  War by big governments is wrong and we all lose, because it only leads to more government control.  Politicians are caught in a feedback loop with the military industrial complex to line their pockets and just for fun politicians have decided that letting big pharma onto their teats would really make them rich.  Next up will be food (it's already started, our supply chain is currently under attack), then housing (inflation/deflation anyone?).  I only hope that Bitcoin proves to be the lifeline it is claimed to be.  I have my doubts, but it seems we'll have our answer in the next 1-3 years.

The analogy may not be perfect but let's assume there's no police to be called. All you have is your ability to defend yourself or attack back. Bear in mind the attack will continue days after days with no police to be called. What would you do?

What about calls to stop this war?

You suggest to stop violence with violence.

propaganda will 100% point on this and say that Russia has attack Ukraine to stop this and they acted ahead of. Russians, that are against war will support Putin even more.

Supplying more offensive weapons would escalate the war which would lead to more loss of lives and properties. Russia has in stock some hypersonic nuclear weapons that can reach most of the NATO nations including the US.

Supplying more offensive weapons would escalate the war which would lead to more loss of lives and properties. Russia has in stock some hypersonic nuclear weapons that can reach most of the NATO nations including the US. NATO and the US also have the same military capabilities. The best option now is peace which can be triggered by dialogue and compromise. Russia and Ukraine have learnt their lessons. At least Russia now know that Ukraine is not as weak as it thought. They expected that war to last for few weeks but Ukraine has proved that they have the military capacity to fight this war for years. Ukraine has also learnt that NATO would only give average assistance and would never join the fight against Russia. They have also learnt that it is Ukraine that bears the pains and scars of the war. What we need now is peace.   

LOL. Definitely not trying to destroy neighbours house, because he can hire a bulldozer and destroy your house completely. Do you know difference between attacking and defending your property? If someone breaks into your house, would you call a police or wait until burglar leaves, or make him leave, and then break into his house ? Using same strategy enemy did is your choice? Piece is the only strategy or solution.

This is called not protecting, but spreading havoc

What will a third neighbour think about both of you? If both are doing havoc, how can you tell who is bad and who is good? Both should be put under control.

You live next to a neighbor who woke up one day and started raining stones and bottles in your house,  breaking your roof and hitting your children and wife and injuring some. He continues without let up, and even coming closer and closer.

What would you do in this scenario?

Try to defend your compound with trampoline and give your children umbrella for protection? Giving him all the freedom in world to keep kitting your home while his own household goes about in total freedom and safety.

Or you hit back at his own house, wrecking equal havoc while protecting your home?

Which do you think would be more effective strategy?

Or you hit back at his own house, wrecking equal havoc while protecting your home?