Topic: Why USA Should Supply more Offensive Weapons to Ukraine - page 3. (Read 456 times)

Only agressor can stop this war it any moment. Victim have only two options: to die or to keep figthing for it's own life. Period


really good idea, this how it works in most cases. If i have a gun it's more unlikely you will try to rob my house.


Your statement tha same as: "jews, stop protecting yourself, nazi propaganda will 100 % point on this"!
The problem is that russian propaganda already tells that ukrainians is not allowed to live. And ukrainian question must be solved (yeah, with no joke, the same as nazis told about "jewish question")
And Russia already invided Ukraine, so i doubt it can do things worse.


This "hypersonic nuclear weapons" exists only in russian cartoons for Putin (with all other russian wunderwaffe). You should stop watch them already.

It's good to call for peace. We all love a peaceful world that is free of warfare. But has calling for peace ever worked in this scenario? I believe they should be some form of deterrence while we continue to call for peace and explore every negotiation tactics.



The analogy may not be perfect but let's assume there's no police to be called. All you have is your ability to defend yourself or attack back. Bear in mind the attack will continue days after days with no police to be called. What would you do?

LOL. Definitely not trying to destroy neighbours house, because he can hire a bulldozer and destroy your house completely. Do you know difference between attacking and defending your property? If someone breaks into your house, would you call a police or wait until burglar leaves, or make him leave, and then break into his house ? Using same strategy enemy did is your choice? Piece is the only strategy or solution.


This is called not protecting, but spreading havoc

What will a third neighbour think about both of you? If both are doing havoc, how can you tell who is bad and who is good? Both should be put under control.

Supplying more offensive weapons would escalate the war which would lead to more loss of lives and properties. Russia has in stock some hypersonic nuclear weapons that can reach most of the NATO nations including the US. NATO and the US also have the same military capabilities. The best option now is peace which can be triggered by dialogue and compromise. Russia and Ukraine have learnt their lessons. At least Russia now know that Ukraine is not as weak as it thought. They expected that war to last for few weeks but Ukraine has proved that they have the military capacity to fight this war for years. Ukraine has also learnt that NATO would only give average assistance and would never join the fight against Russia. They have also learnt that it is Ukraine that bears the pains and scars of the war. What we need now is peace.   

You live next to a neighbor who woke up one day and started raining stones and bottles in your house,  breaking your roof and hitting your children and wife and injuring some. He continues without let up, and even coming closer and closer.

What would you do in this scenario?

Try to defend your compound with trampoline and give your children umbrella for protection? Giving him all the freedom in world to keep kitting your home while his own household goes about in total freedom and safety.

Or you hit back at his own house, wrecking equal havoc while protecting your home?

Which do you think would be more effective strategy?

What about calls to stop this war? You suggest to stop violence with violence. If Ukraine starts to attack Russian territory, propaganda will 100% point on this and say that Russia has attack Ukraine to stop this and they acted ahead of. Russians, that are against war will support Putin even more. Because "we are being attacked and this must be stopped".

Answering on aggression with aggression is totally wrong. It will only give birth to more aggression.

Russia wants Ukraine to be abandoned without any help from the West, so they'd continue to strike and maim with impunity. The sad reality though is that USA and European Union has continued to appease the Kremlin much to the disappointment of Ukraine. Their reasons being that they don't want the war to escalate. But the truth is that you can't stop escalation by appeasing a dictator. Rather he would be emboldened to advance with impunity.

Having sensed the weakness shown so far by the west, Russia is capitalizing on that to threaten anyone who tries to supply weapons to the Ukrainian Military. This is where America and Europe has to draw the lines and move in with full intent by supplying Kiev with all the weapons they needed to prosecute this war. Not only with their self defense, but to be armed with the ability to launch great offensives against the Russians.

Ukraine should not only defend. They should be able to attack and hit Russian territories. That's the only way to balance the equation and possibly tilt the war in favor of Ukraine.

Ukraine has held back the supposed super power for 3 months,  limited them to the border towns. The last thing Russia would want is trying to goad a 'Real War Tested Superpower' into a direct confrontation. Russia is not in the same league with the US when it comes to conventional warfare and they know it.



You can see from the latest map that Russia has not been able to advance beyond the border towns and the few coastal cities, some of which they have been pushed back from, town after town. You can't win a war by simply defending your territory. You need to launch equal or surpassing devastation against your enemy in order to deter them.

THE US SUPPLY TO UKRAINE SO FAR

1. The Javelin anti-tank missiles
2. Switchblade drones
3. Artillery and body armor
4. Some high-tech equipment like laser-guided rocket systems
5. Surveillance radar
6. Mi-17 helicopters

This was detailed in a recent list circulated by the Department of Defense.

Increase in the supply of offensive lethal weapons to Ukraine will help stop Putin and accelerate the end to his madness. This stupid war has to end now.

Note: I've never been in support of straining the USA resources to fight foreign wars that does not concern us but this is different. Ukraine will pay for the weapons and a dictator has to be stopped before it's too late.