Topic: Will you leave the country or will you stay, stand up and fight for your right? (Read 332 times)

I'm not against your opinion, however, how will people know if the candidate/s that they are going to vote for will support Bitcoin?

Including Bitcoin as a political platform is never heard of. The talks regarding Bitcoin/Crypto were only included if it is raised by many people. Also, there's no guarantee that the political party will continue to support Bitcoin if ever being selected or won with the citizen's vote.

Aside from that, a newly elected politician/s can't easily change the implemented law. Meaning, that even if you voted for them the law continues to become a law. Unless it is suspended by the highest position in the government, which is the President. 

You do not fight the government by avoiding them or relocating to another country..... you fight them with your vote. The government that makes stupid decisions like that, should not be in power..... so you should vote for another political party that will support Bitcoin.

You should also garner support of all your friends and family that can vote and use all those votes against them. A government can only have influence over Bitcoin, if we allow them to stay in power. 

It all depends on the situation and circumstances. If things change for the worse, we can't force ourselves to stay in the United States, especially if we lose most of what we have. But what if there was a massive demonstration that could defend people's rights? Don't forget that large-scale demonstrations can change laws because many people don't like them.

And if the United States government continues to act harshly by persecuting and imprisoning people, that will be contrary to human rights. Some countries will defend the people of the United States because the government has confused politics with people's rights. There may be a large-scale population movement from the United States to other countries because it is no longer possible for the population to survive.

The United States has not always been a powerful country among other countries. Maybe now it is still a powerful country, but will it still be in power ten years or even 25 years later? Nowadays, many small countries are starting to grow better and if they no longer agree with the United States, they can look for other allies.

Bitcoin has improved our lives a lot but it is not the only thing that can feed us. Don't forget that before bitcoin appeared, we could still live and survive without bitcoin. So, if I had to choose, I would choose my family, bitcoin is not something valuable for me to trade my family to choose it. To me, bitcoin is just money, nothing more, nothing less, and there are many ways to make money, not just investing in bitcoin. So if I don't have bitcoin or lose it, getting my money or bitcoin back is not too difficult for me, but if I abandon my loved ones just for money then I will never find them again.

There is an ambivalence in your idea."1" y "2".
Fortunately it ideas and those people take us forward in the fight for our right is.

 (1) "While you stay, stand up and fight for your right is a something stupid since you're risking your life to go jail."

Ok, basically it goes with what I said, fortunately what they get us "freedoms" are stupid people. (sarcasm)

Anyway, according to you, we can go to prison for fighting, but what you mention before:

(2)"stay in the country and stay private."

It sends you to jail anyway, you may succeed... but hiding from the IRS is not the best idea for any American citizen, in fact your geographical location is the least important thing, no matter where in the world you live, you pay taxes.

bitcoin is definitely a very powerful social-financial weapon, but that is not enough, we must fight against those who oppose them, but ignoring the laws that govern us to achieve our rights is not the most intelligent way, anonymity is its own condition of the individual is a right, and we must fight for that to be achieved in some way.

So being legally anonymous, complying with your tax rights is possible, you have to agree to pay taxes but not give up the right to be anonymous.

Then, for Americans: "They need to do the homework, no matter what".  It works like that, otherwise they would have to give up their right to be Americans.

There's no doubt that the Philippines has made a place for itself on the world stage as a crypto-friendly country. The government is taking a good, forward-looking step by being bold. Still, the problem of how to tax cryptocurrency gains is a problem for everyone. A lot of countries are trying to figure this out, trying to find the best balance between encouraging new ideas and making sure they are responsible with their money. You are exactly right about how realized gains are taxed when crypto is converted to fiat. It makes sense to take that step, but is it the best one? What about the little details of peer-to-peer shopping?

It gets less clear as we go deeper into the P2P world. Countries that have made crypto illegal are pushing crypto fans like you into these dark places. It's great that you brought up China and their well-known crypto bans, but it's also a well-kept secret that underground groups are doing very well there. People are very creative when they use Telegram, VPNs, and other tools to get around rules. But it also raises the question: why should states play this game of cat and mouse when they could just accept that the future is here and build strong frameworks?

Beforehand, my apologies. Bitcoin is not the single most important facet of my life. I still have a family that continually supports me, friends who constantly provide solace, and a home that remains a comforting sanctuary for me and those close to me. Nevertheless, I remain enamored with Bitcoin because it has afforded me several opportunities to enhance my quality of life.

Alright, concerning my perspective on potential government regulations that might discriminate against Bitcoin enthusiasts (should such regulations come into effect in my country), I would reluctantly part with my Bitcoin holdings and choose to stay in my homeland. I wish to remain with my family and friends here, without the need to emigrate in order to preserve my affection for Bitcoin. Even if I no longer utilize Bitcoin, it does not diminish my love and gratitude for it.

My primary objective is the well-being of my family and close associates, while Bitcoin has been the driving force that has significantly contributed to my life thus far. I shall not harbor any ill will towards Bitcoin, even if I opt to remain in my homeland under regulations that may not favor Bitcoin enthusiasts.

Yes, I will fight 1st to hold my rights, but if I'm no longer to fight it, I will leave the country and go to El Salvador.

I don't know why a strong country that always upholds freedom always binds and shackles its inhabitants. this is a big dilemma for the people who want to freedom and make his decisions. the government always states the truth, but in action reversed from what they said. The government always upholds human rights, but in fact, they violate themself for justice. The world is experiencing chronic cancer, This world needs to be saved by a fair leader where it's no longer exists.

It depends whether you care about your own country or not. I'm not American, I know Americans are very patriotic mainly because they think they are the best country in the world, but looking from outside it doesn't look like the American government cares too much about its own people so, if I were American, I would simply move somewhere else. Many laws and bans are made because someone can make a profit out of it, not because they are actually good for people.

I will be more interested in working in shadow. Well, I think my country will never ban crypto currency, and even if they do, they will never stop me from investing and doing bitcoin stuff. I'm an IT professional, and I know how to do things untracked, so even if they ban any access to bitcoin, it is easy to bypass that. About the group that discriminates against bitcoin, I guess they are hired by the government, maybe, or anyone else that is afraid of the potential of bitcoin, as if it continues, we know bitcoin can be powerful in the future. and as it's powerful, no one could control the bitcoin, only us, the holders and investors themselves. I'm not afraid of anything as I keep my bitcoin stuff secret only known to my trusted friends that also do bitcoin and crypto stuff, we will fight for it? yes but silently.

this was most likely inspired by the bitcoin university video right? he uses exactly the same language.

In each and every country we were able to experience these kind of things. Whenever a law is introduced, somehow it affects certain group of people or a community. For this if they choose to keep running, we can't be sure of the situation in the next country. This is the hard reality, and in such situation we should have the mind to accept and live. This is where we've born and lived for years, moving to a new country and getting adopted to the change isn't not an easy thing. Already an user stated about being in a third world country and once again moving to a third world country wouldn't be considered. My stand is also the same, when we move to a new country, surely our minds will think of a better nation. If we start thinking of the difference in spending, lifestyle, finding a job, everything will be difficult. When the law doesn't affect the living there is nothing to fight, it is possible to live without bitcoin.

I'm just fortunate that Philippines is one of the crypto-friendliest countries in the world.

However, taxing cryptocurrency earnings is one of the challenges that the government is facing these days. But for now, they just base our taxes in realized earnings where we cash out from crypto to fiat to any regulated bank, mobile bank, etc.

Let's say I am in a country where Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are illegal. The safest is to look for an underground community who does P2P transactions and also use a VPN when trading or interacting in any crypto exchange platform.

As I cannot see myself in leaving this emerging space, leaving the country would be a tough one and may take some time to change citizenship or so. On top of that, it would cost me a lot of money to process everything plus the board and lodging, everyday food, etc., that you need to sustain yourself.

If you look at China during the times they outlawed Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, there are still so many Chinese communities who are using Telegram and other apps to communicate and do crypto trading. It's all about doing whatever it takes even at this tough situation where crypto is outlawed like in Nepal, Egypt, etc.

This is not the first time we are hearing or reading about such news and to some extent i dont really care about whatever the government is going to do as regards to Bitcoin and its services as long as I still have control over my bitcoins that are saved in my wallet without any third-party interventions, thay settles it alot for me at that point and I am not looking for any other form of freedom, I have never used bitcoin mixer before but with what has happened to one of the most popular mixers that are closed down now and how constantly it being mention to be used by many of the popular cyber thieves it then become proven to the government that it's either regulated or risk the security of the wholes state, I don't think this should bother citizens of the US at all and at some point, there is no need to flee your country because first before this policy will ever materialized is going to take a long time and at the same time not everyone will be cut up in this shift at some point even if it been implemented at some point.

The rules in the US are quite strict. Even if you want to fight, you have to do it legally. Though I am not a citizen of the US, I know some rules about it. They are very hard on taxation. No one can skip it in the US. Probably, citizens won't move to another country because its people dream of becoming citizens of the US if they live outside of that country. They should fight in court about their rights. There is no way to commit violence.

Totally depends on your financial capacity which it would really be according to the ff;

1. If you are financial capable and have the documents ready then you could always have the confidence on going out in the country
2. If you are just average earner or person whose money would really be just that enough on day to day living then you wont really be
having no choice but to stay.

This is the sad reality on what we are facing on which if you do live on a country which laws and rules is really that against on your principles then
getting living through it would really be challenging day by day. If you do really find out that you could really be able to make yourself
that getting out without any problems since you do have the money then you would definitely be able on doing such thing without any issues
or problems.

This is putting a hard time on bitcoin enthusiasts. Why on earth that there are really countries who are giving a hard time for their citizens when all their main goal is actually to serve them, and no to cause harm and ruin them. 

But if I'm one of them, I don't think leaving the country is a wise decision. You are only making them feel that they can easily control and manipulate their citizens the way they want. I'd better stay and continue with bitcoin but only myself is aware about that. There's no need actually to tell the whole world that you are into bitcoin. It's enough that you are doing it privately so you can have all the freedom to do what you want without those eyes from the government that will monitor your actions.

OP may think there should be 2 common options (leave or stay).
If you stay, it means you take the second option. You can hide your Bitcoin activity but it means you never do anything to struggle the rights of Bitcoiners there. OP expected that there is a direct response to the laws.

Yes, leaving means to avoid the fact in our country. We may live better in a new country but we never contribute anything to solve the problem in our country. It is not about adaptation to a new country, it is about pride. Well, just avoid any actions that risk to the jail. Fighting with the wrong laws can be done with varied ways.

If you can leave the country for good without affecting your family, then probably it could help you live at peace. However, living the country means preparing your family for a new set of cultures and starting all over again which I think is actually hard to process. So I don't think it's a good decision either. But if you chose to stay and live your life without declaring that you have bitcoins with you, then maybe it could be safer for you and fopr your family.

Bitcoin is still decentralized and no other third party can trace its transactions if you just do it privately. So just do it for now.  For sure, when  majority of the other countries are into bitcoin adoption, I guess USA will also follow the path and that you're totally free to do your bitcoin thing without any threat.

You can't fight with your own state and stand for your own right. You'll only end up as a martyr and still end up being persecuted. So the best thing to do is just to leave your country because its not healthy anymore if you stay. While bitcoin is important for you, your self-worth is much important as well. Just leave your country and be at peace to another country where bitcoin is widely accepted and is not attacked by its own law.

However, I can't imagine that just by simply hodling bitcoin, the scenario will go this far. It only proves that bitcoin has no place in a selfish country where all the officials develop the greed for money as if its the main reason why they are still living.