Topic: Will you leave the country or will you stay, stand up and fight for your right? - page 2. (Read 387 times)
October 25, 2023, 02:06:42 PM
I know Americans as one of the most brave and resilient people on the planet earth. They are not weaklings. I know that they will stay and fight. They will do it for their kids and kids kids. In the end, bitcoin is going to prevail. We know that this is a strategy of the government to be in control. I am not surprised. Some one said this already that BlockRock is the government. I still believe their aim is to control the a large portion of the world's bitcoin. We will see some versions of the PATRIOT Act coming up in other countries. But American bitcoiners must fight. It is the only country you have and can call your own.
October 25, 2023, 01:37:06 PM
First of all, I highly doubt this is going to pass. There are so many bitcoin supporters in the US Senate that it doesn't stand a chance, just like many other anti bitcoin acts that democrats tried to push in the recent years. I also doubt that the next president is going to be a democrat. Most of them are crazy socialists that say they support freedom and democracy but then lock people in their homes and want to inject them with untested medicine against their will, ban cash and make all of them use digital dollar.
I don't live in the US but if this was enforced I'm sure there would be states that would not agree to it, just like there were states that voted for the right to mine bitcoin and against the ban that democrats supported. I wouldn't have to leave the US, I'd simply move to a state that still stands by principles the US was founded on.
I don't live in the US but if this was enforced I'm sure there would be states that would not agree to it, just like there were states that voted for the right to mine bitcoin and against the ban that democrats supported. I wouldn't have to leave the US, I'd simply move to a state that still stands by principles the US was founded on.
October 25, 2023, 01:19:07 PM
Yesterday, I read a topic about the PATRIOT Act by o_e_l_e_o. In summary, the PATRIOT Act seeks to criminalize regular Bitcoin activity and transactions like mixing. For those who think it is a U.S. thing, please think again. The U.S. wields a lot of influence all over the world. We may most likely see its financial regulations being enforced by other countries. But this is not about that. This is about American Bitcoiners. Some of them, with whom I have spoken, say that this law which is agaist their constitutional rights will force them to leave the United States of America since the law is unfavorable to them. I have a question for them: Will you leave the country or stay and stand up and fight for your right?
If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
Do you know many If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
A single voice will certainly not be heard and such voices will be ground into dust by the system. Fight (non-violently), if possible, is only possible collectively. But everyone who has a little bitcoin and is of sound mind will try to leave for a more BTC-loyal system, which is why there will be fewer and fewer votes, and with that the chances that these voices will be heard.
If they remain, then only a few Bitcoin martyrs will remain, but they will not be able to change anything in their favor.
October 25, 2023, 01:06:56 PM
If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
It will be better to leave peacefully than trying to stand up and fight. It is difficult to fight the government, so the action should be to leave peacefully and wait for there to be a change if you ever plan to return. Do not fight battles that you cannot win, and this is a good example of a battle that you cannot win.Do not try to be a martyr.
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October 25, 2023, 12:55:45 PM
Well, I am belong from a third world country and Bitcoin or cryptocurrency is illegal here already. My country has records of people going to jail just for bitcoin transactions. Even though they are not associated with any scam, they are labeled as scammers.
So here I left out the rule of law. If we talk about the support of Bitcoin here, it will be seen that we will get a scammer sign then forcibly taken to jail for being involved in a scam. I will stay the way I am now because even if I raise my voice it will be seen as an invasion of my privacy. From the middle you can only see that you want to ruin your life. But till now I don't have that much btc that will create a interest to me for leaving my home land.
So here I left out the rule of law. If we talk about the support of Bitcoin here, it will be seen that we will get a scammer sign then forcibly taken to jail for being involved in a scam. I will stay the way I am now because even if I raise my voice it will be seen as an invasion of my privacy. From the middle you can only see that you want to ruin your life. But till now I don't have that much btc that will create a interest to me for leaving my home land.
October 25, 2023, 12:50:40 PM
This question can be tricky for many of the bitcoiners because it's not only about the bitcoiners themselves, it's about their families as well. If whole family need to leave the country then we need to consider whether is that really worth for that bitcoiner to leave the country for the amount of bitcoin he is holding right now. Also where will they go and what if that country implement similar law as US does?
October 25, 2023, 12:45:25 PM
If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
The earlier the better for the government to realize that bitcoin is not their enemy,
it had rather come to help them with every of their financial unfinished businesses, there's no any law that will stand against bitcoin, if they couldn't achieve such over fourteen years now i don't think they can anymore, the good aspect of it is for their proposal not to stand, if not everywhere you go through will always carry the same regulations on bitcoin.
I'm fine with the regulations they are trying to make around with cryptocurrency, but I think it is really fair for everyone who uses or not, for it to be regulated just so the government has a point touch of it. I hope they realize that this isn't something they should be prioritizing because there are more bigger than this matter. 
October 25, 2023, 12:35:22 PM
Since I am not a citizen of the US but relating this to my own situation, first I will wait to see what the extent of the law and see if holding Bitcoin at all becomes a crime which is impossible since Bitcoin in your own wallet can not be traced, but then also the focus of the regulation in the US is not against bitcoin in it entirety but against the use of bitcoin mixer which most of the US legislators and other prominent bitcoin advocates have referred to as a bad actors, since the use of bitcoin mixer have aided the cancellation of legal money and is mostly used by hackers and other cyber criminals.
So if the fight is against criminality in the system and ways to tax every Bitcoin holder in the US, it means that many of the citizens will obey and ride along with the government instead of becoming a refugee and r going into exile like a fugitive.
So if the fight is against criminality in the system and ways to tax every Bitcoin holder in the US, it means that many of the citizens will obey and ride along with the government instead of becoming a refugee and r going into exile like a fugitive.
October 25, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
Well, there are several ways we can fight for a anything without actually causing a scene or violence and bitcoin is decentralized which means no one is in charge except you and in cases like this, I don’t think running is an option as there are other several ways you can stop stay safe while holding your coins and personally I’m not from the states neither do I know how things are been ran there but I will use my country and myself as a case study because though the restrictions on cryptocurrency and bitcoin was for the banks not getting involved with any cryptocurrency transaction but the local police especially the sars department are already making it seems holding bitcoin is illegal as you’re forced to unlock your phone but yet we still have to also device other methods to still hold our coins without getting into issues.
October 25, 2023, 12:06:38 PM
Banning American Bitcoiners?
Will all of them be detected or only those who are caught red-handed or claim to be Bitcoiners?
The government will not be able to track everyone who uses Bitcoin,
they will be anonymous as long as they do it properly.
A law that discriminates against Bitcoiners would just be a useless law.
They just want the taxes paid by Bitcoiners and some Mixer platforms that will provide more profits.
As my Grandpa @philipma1957 said:
Taxes are only used as a tool to punish someone, punish for not obeying the rules that are made.
limiting all kinds of fun and privacy with Bitcoin, not to fix things that are getting worse.
Will all of them be detected or only those who are caught red-handed or claim to be Bitcoiners?
The government will not be able to track everyone who uses Bitcoin,
they will be anonymous as long as they do it properly.
A law that discriminates against Bitcoiners would just be a useless law.
They just want the taxes paid by Bitcoiners and some Mixer platforms that will provide more profits.
As my Grandpa @philipma1957 said:
Taxes are only used as a tool to punish someone, punish for not obeying the rules that are made.
limiting all kinds of fun and privacy with Bitcoin, not to fix things that are getting worse.
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The USA has not had a plus budget in over 22 years. Which means it uses taxes as an arm of the law to punish people not as a way to better people.
The USA has not had a plus budget in over 22 years. Which means it uses taxes as an arm of the law to punish people not as a way to better people.
October 25, 2023, 12:03:36 PM
If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
Definitely not. I’m from 3rd world country which probably leaving my country as not advisable due to more financial problem. I’d rather sell all my Bitcoin rather than change country that has high cost of living. Choosing another 3rd world country is not my alternative choice either since finding new job will be hard unlike in my country which I earn decent amount.
I can live without Bitcoin but I can’t live properly on other country with different culture. It’s too much adjustment for me just to avoid being persecuted by owning Bitcoin while I can sell all my holdings before this law implemented since government gives advisory before they implement new harsh law in my country.
Same case here, if I were to leave from my country as a part of 3rd world country, I don't think 1 Bitcoin would be enough to live for a year as you will still adjust from the new environment and doesn't have any idea to budget your funds. In this case, selling would be better, and those funds you'd sell just use it to invest another like trying to build a small business or other alternate options such as real estate, etc. Since we're already involved in currencies and money so engaging in risky investment would be average for us, but still we need to gather knowledge before starting your own business. In my country, I think this would be impossible issue since Bitcoin is not that casually used by people or you won't hear them in our daily lives. So for sure government doesn't have their attention as they focused on other issues of the country.
October 25, 2023, 11:58:28 AM
If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
Migrating to another country can be very expensive especially if you have a young family. Leaving my country because of this law will depend on so many factors with my financially position as my main consideration. As much as I don't want to give away my privacy but I will be forced to remain in the country because I don't have enough money. Aside mixers there are still other means of maintaining my privacy , I might try other options and see how it works.
I am assuming that standing to fight means peaceful demostration or lobbing the government to change these polices. But there is no way you can protest or lobby the government without losing your privacy. You would have to come out to protest and you would have to meet a politician to lobby. However the law is still a proposal, we have to wait to see if it will be passed into law.
You don't need to leave your country for some law be imposed to citizens or BTC users because it will make you to lose so many things that your generation will need to fight since you run away for such issues in your country. The way I saw the case going in the court, I get confident on that case that it will favour bitcoiners and it will bring more opportunities that will increase bitcoiners in the country because, some don't want to show their faces as a bitcoiners until those bitcoiners involved in the case ssucceed and be favour from court before they will come out openly as a bitcoiners.
If this government allow bitcoiners to be persecuted because of this law, it will surely affect some of their politicians in the country because there is no way bitcoiners will support any presidential candidates again, and it will cause many to loose their presidential election.
If this government allow bitcoiners to be persecuted because of this law, it will surely affect some of their politicians in the country because there is no way bitcoiners will support any presidential candidates again, and it will cause many to loose their presidential election.
As much as I know many Bitcoiners want to remain anonymous. The government owns or runs the court so I doubt if the legal system will favour the fight for privacy. Don't also forget that many centralsed platforms will be happy if this law is enforced.The best option is to seek for alternatives.
October 25, 2023, 11:58:03 AM
Running has never been known to solve any issues and with how bad the economy is, who knows how the economy of the place you want to move onto will be like? The best thing is to stay and fight for your right because these laws are aimed at targeting the growth of Bitcoin, they will not stop coming at it with rules, laws and restrictions till they feel they have subdued it but I feel that the earlier they realize the true intention and aim of Bitcoin, the better. Else they'd keep seeing Bitcoin as the enemy.
Most Americans are aware that this law will put them in a tight corner, making them choose between moving from the country or having to undergo the KYC. The best option for me is to do it, after all it won't affect my using it but won't stay quiet because if you do, more laws that seek to press Bitcoin will come up.
Most Americans are aware that this law will put them in a tight corner, making them choose between moving from the country or having to undergo the KYC. The best option for me is to do it, after all it won't affect my using it but won't stay quiet because if you do, more laws that seek to press Bitcoin will come up.
October 25, 2023, 11:54:02 AM
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Apparently, we are now in the "fight you" phase.
There are many strong supporters of bitcoin in the US Congress who will fight back against these draconian proposals.
Apparently, we are now in the "fight you" phase.
There are many strong supporters of bitcoin in the US Congress who will fight back against these draconian proposals.
October 25, 2023, 11:50:20 AM
Will you leave the country or stay and stand up and fight for your right?
If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
If this law is eventually legalized, we are going to have Bitcoiners who would be persecuted and jailed for wanting to fight it. There are going to be Bitcoin martyrs. Will you leave the country and take your Bitcoin with you, or will you stay and stand up and fight (non-violently) for your rights?
It depends on the amount of Bitcoin in my wallet. If my Bitcoin funds are sufficient to sustain living in another country, why not?
It seems like there aren't many options for those who are financially struggling. I plan to exchange my Bitcoin and search for a new source of income to support my livelihood in our country while also adhering to government regulations such as KYC. I am not involved in any illegal activities except for the use of Bitcoin, so I will remain here and comply with the law.
October 25, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
It's a proposal even in the US, so assuming that it will spread as a legislative approach far beyond the US might be premature for now.
The US has been pretty tough in terms of crypto regulations (tougher than many other countries), but it doesn't seem like its approach is adopted by others much. My country is pretty dependent on the US support right now, but I don't think it would adopt the US crypto policies, for example, because my country actually wants to become very crypto-friendly.
If I lived in the US, I'd wait to whether the proposal actually gets adopted before making any decisions. Honestly, I think op is a bit overreacting. And the US is a democracy, so it's not a problem to organize protests, gather petition signatures, etc.
The US has been pretty tough in terms of crypto regulations (tougher than many other countries), but it doesn't seem like its approach is adopted by others much. My country is pretty dependent on the US support right now, but I don't think it would adopt the US crypto policies, for example, because my country actually wants to become very crypto-friendly.
If I lived in the US, I'd wait to whether the proposal actually gets adopted before making any decisions. Honestly, I think op is a bit overreacting. And the US is a democracy, so it's not a problem to organize protests, gather petition signatures, etc.
October 25, 2023, 11:37:27 AM
I wouldn't leave my country because of this, instead, I will pipe low and act as id U don't have any bitcoin since I have a family and I also have a job here in my country. It is very hard to travel to somewhere no to start life all over again when it is not that you went to the country on a job invitation. The cost of living might be higher in that country that you want to run to and this might affect your standard of living and even your personal life and that of your family. There are many factors that needs to be considered before running away from your country fue to some government laws on bitcoin. We were doing fine when bitcoin wasn't in existence.
October 25, 2023, 11:29:24 AM
This is a big question to be answer by all and not for one country. I know that USA is one of the major if not the number one country that practice TRUE DEMOCRACY, and in true democracy there is liberal democracy and in the liberal democracy the citizens have the right to do want they think is good for them and make them happy. And I learn this from US Democratic State. Running is part of human survival, so if the pressure from the government is high, then they (bitcoiners) have to look for a way to survive from the pressure then return later when the pressure has calm. All these Patriot Act is to threaten the bitcoiners to stop using bitcoin since they (government) cannot control the coin and they are seen that the value is higher than US dollar. So they are working a modality to control or stop the coin. But irony will be their case. But the way I am seeing things people might jail because of the bitcoin. But victory is sure.
October 25, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
When the paranoia is high the method to clear it is to see that you keep your feet on the ground.
Just count your options, you have a family you have a future and you need to survive, so either you can die fighting or you can accept the KYC system that may come up and continue to use bitcoin and live a happy life.
I am also not a fan of KYC but consider why you would not want to undergo it. Unless you are involved in money laundering yourself, you can be proud of your bitcoin and how you earned them. The KYC debate has been going on for long, and I dont find any fruitful discussion from it which is why I dont comment. But regulation is the future and this is how things might start off.
Mixers are their main target, small cap investors need not bother, in my opinion.
I personally am not from the US and I doubt how far this will actually go.
Just count your options, you have a family you have a future and you need to survive, so either you can die fighting or you can accept the KYC system that may come up and continue to use bitcoin and live a happy life.
I am also not a fan of KYC but consider why you would not want to undergo it. Unless you are involved in money laundering yourself, you can be proud of your bitcoin and how you earned them. The KYC debate has been going on for long, and I dont find any fruitful discussion from it which is why I dont comment. But regulation is the future and this is how things might start off.
Mixers are their main target, small cap investors need not bother, in my opinion.
I personally am not from the US and I doubt how far this will actually go.
October 25, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
When things like these occur, I personally feel bad for those who are influencers and are publicly named and government agencies knows that these people are the one supporting Bitcoin or Crypto in the country so they will be the biggest targets of these rules or laws. For most of us, or those who are anonymous, they will be good to go and I am not sure why would anyone be fighting for something which is not going to be implemented at all.
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