Topic: Windows 10 and Bitcoin Discussion - page 2. (Read 7348 times)
i am still using windows 7 and have no problem so far with it. and as far as your concerns go, you can always use offline wallets and only broadcast the signed transactions on your online pc.
Rolling Back From Windows 10 To Your Older OS Appears Problematic
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-10-revert-os,29727.html
The only way to know if you like Windows 10 or not, of course, is to upgrade your system and give it a try. However, if you want to go back to your old OS, it appears that you're on a timer: Microsoft confirmed to Tom's Hardware that users will have only one month to decide if they want to continue with Windows 10 or not. A moderator on Tom's Hardware (darkbreeze) first discovered this issue, and when we reached out to Microsoft for more information, the answers we received raised some troubling potential issues.
Our initial thought was that this "one month" business simply meant you couldn't revert directly back to an old OS from Windows 10, but what about rolling back by simply performing a clean installation of your old OS? When we asked about that specifically, Microsoft dodged the question. At this point, then, we aren't certain if you can return to your old OS by using a clean install, because it is possible that Microsoft will invalidate old activation codes after that first month. This would seem in some way to align with Microsoft's upgrade deal, as you can only get your free Windows 10 by upgrading from your old OS; you can't use an old activation code.
If you want a clean install of Windows 10, you must first upgrade from your old OS to Windows 10, and then re-install Windows 10 again (from installation media). Even though it formats your hard drive during installation, Windows 10 somehow remembers that you previously upgraded from an older OS, and it will self-activate after installation. It isn't clear how Windows 10 does this, but it's likely because it saves the activation code somewhere else inside of your hardware. Some sort of online account-based activation would be far more conventional, but there is reason to suspect this other method is being used.
Microsoft informed us that a "meaningful" change to the hardware may require you to contact customer support in order to activate the system. This means that if you upgrade your system with a new motherboard or CPU, you may not be able to install Windows 10 without having to go through Microsoft's customer support, and even then, you may not be able to activate the system. Microsoft has stated that even with customer support, some hardware changes will invalidate your free copy of Windows 10 and require you to purchase one.
The problem gets worse for users who have a part go bad and need a replacement, as they don't have a choice; they need to fix the part or they can't use their PC, and the cost of that repair, then, would also have to include whatever Microsoft is charging for a new copy of Windows 10 at the time. You could simply go back to your old OS at that point to save a buck, but - again, if Microsoft invalidates your old activation code, you may be stuck having to buy a new copy of Windows 10 anyway.
Source: Tom's Hardware
I just checked the latest Windows 10 version and it works pretty fast. I did not know that it has such privacy issues but I doubt that it's a bug as leaking private information to microsoft is so cheesy. Windows versions always have a compatibility issue and some online wallets may not even work with Windows 10. It's better to have Windows 8 and 10 installed on your machine to switch between the versions.
i just think that for private pc's linux is better.
but thats my opinion: ofc you are free to have your own.
but thats my opinion: ofc you are free to have your own.
Agreed and I hope one day I can completely switch over.
i still think it boils down to comfort and "afraid of learning/changes"
That's certainly part of it, but keep in mind that many people need to work with others in teams so it is beneficial to use the same software for compatibility reasons and ease of familiarity when jumping between devices. Consistency is one important factor in efficiency. I use linux daily, and would certainly prefer to switch completely over but unfortunately linux on the desktop is still not as optimal as osx/win.
at work i dont have a problem with windows. because any bigger company should have someone who checks updates and flag them for their users. but in general i dont really care what companies use: they should evaluate for themselves.
i just think that for private pc's linux is better.
but thats my opinion: ofc you are free to have your own. i dont even want to make you switch! this sub-topic started only because i was interested why somebody who said "maybe i'll switch" did not switch at that very moment.
i still think it boils down to comfort and "afraid of learning/changes"
That's certainly part of it, but keep in mind that many people need to work with others in teams so it is beneficial to use the same software for compatibility reasons and ease of familiarity when jumping between devices. Consistency is one important factor in efficiency. I use linux daily, and would certainly prefer to switch completely over but unfortunately linux on the desktop is still not ready.
that debate again?
what functionality is provided by photoshop and msoffice which cannot be done with gimp and open|star-office?
what functionality is provided by photoshop and msoffice which cannot be done with gimp and open|star-office?
It doesn't sound to me that you have spent much time using and comparing both. Not only are there many differences in features but some of these open source products are buggy and use too many system resources. I periodically download and test thunderbird/open/star/libre office because I would really love to use them over MS Office. But they aren't anywhere near as good. Gimp has come a very long way and isn't half bad but Photoshop is miles ahead in its features and abilities.
Lets be honest with ourselves here and acknowledge that while there are some amazing pieces of open source software (I.E.. VLC) , there are some horrific ones as well. Some people simply need to get the work done efficiently and need to use the right tools to do so rather than demanding everything they touch is open source.
i dont demand that anything is opensource.
i do have commercial software - even for linux.
and i have spent much time using both... i was a windows dev (pensionated now) and used windows at work. but at home i use linux because for me it is easier to use and has more functionality.
as i said: to really see the differences someone needs to use linux for more than a year. solely. its hard to switch and at first linux looks all complicated. but that changes after you have used it a long time.
btw i know two professional photographers which use linux only. so i dont think the differences between gimp and photoshop are that big. but i dont use them so i cant say anything about it.
i still think it boils down to comfort and "afraid of learning/changes"
that debate again?
what functionality is provided by photoshop and msoffice which cannot be done with gimp and open|star-office?
what functionality is provided by photoshop and msoffice which cannot be done with gimp and open|star-office?
It doesn't sound to me that you have spent much time using and comparing both. Not only are there many differences in features but some of these open source products are buggy and use too many system resources. I periodically download and test thunderbird/open/star/libre office because I would really love to use them over MS Office. But they aren't anywhere near as good. Gimp has come a very long way and isn't half bad but Photoshop is miles ahead in its features and abilities.
Lets be honest with ourselves here and acknowledge that while there are some amazing pieces of open source software (I.E.. VLC) , there are some horrific ones as well. Some people simply need to get the work done efficiently and need to use the right tools to do so rather than demanding everything they touch is open source.
I have upgraded my laptop a few days back with some of my hot wallet files on it. I stumbled upon some article regarding the bugs and other unknown privacy issues that may access sensitive information to the user (such as data mining and backdoors). I reverted back to Windows 7 immediately and because I used Windows 10 for awhile with some files on it, is it possible that all of the information already stored in my computer had been mined? Just a thought.
I love many distros of linux and open source but this is not realistic to do for many people. Linux doesn't have the driver support that MS has and many programs that people need aren't available on linux. Open source alternatives fall short too. I.E... Gimp is not anywhere as good as photoshop and open/libre/star office is shit compared to MS office.
that only means that comfort is more important than privacy to you - which is fine.
my privacy is very important to me. even if windows could print food for free i wouldnt use it...
Not comfort primarily, but the functionality within these apps are what people see that's why they tend to use it over the other.
I love many distros of linux and open source but this is not realistic to do for many people. Linux doesn't have the driver support that MS has and many programs that people need aren't available on linux. Open source alternatives fall short too. I.E... Gimp is not anywhere as good as photoshop and open/libre/star office is shit compared to MS office.
that only means that comfort is more important than privacy to you - which is fine.
my privacy is very important to me. even if windows could print food for free i wouldnt use it...
Not comfort primarily, but the functionality within these apps are what people see that's why they tend to use it over the other.
that debate again?
what functionality is provided by photoshop and msoffice which cannot be done with gimp and open|star-office?
to be honest: i dont know photoshop nor gimp very well - but i used mso and staroffice very often (even used mso apis to automate customer-letters for a german bank).
anyhow: linux requires learning. much learning. which takes time. once this time is spent linux people are more happy and have a better system (functionality wise) than win users.
to provide an example which fits the topic: i dont want to check every ms update if i need to update my prevent phone-home capability apps.
only thing are games. i have a win install for them. i'll update that to windows 10. but hey: only games... let ms see that i think there os is a console
that only means that comfort is more important than privacy to you - which is fine.
my privacy is very important to me. even if windows could print food for free i wouldnt use it...
my privacy is very important to me. even if windows could print food for free i wouldnt use it...
You can have both. Half of my computers run Linux and I have a KVM which allows me to switch between windows and linux with a simple click.
They made it impossible to downgrade back to an older version where you have control of your computer.
This is false as you can easily revert back to windows 7 or 8 with a single click in settings. I just did it on a computer yesterday.Windows and OSX have had backdoor accessible to them and likely agencies like the NSA for many years before windows 10. They aren't secure OS's if you are a journalist, political activist, whistleblower, Network admin, or criminal. Don't use these OS for those purposes.
Source?Clean installs are always best, but the revert I did yesterday was bug free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/nsa_helps_micro_1.html
I have upgraded my laptop a few days back with some of my hot wallet files on it. I stumbled upon some article regarding the bugs and other unknown privacy issues that may access sensitive information to the user (such as data mining and backdoors). I reverted back to Windows 7 immediately and because I used Windows 10 for awhile with some files on it, is it possible that all of the information already stored in my computer had been mined? Just a thought.
I love many distros of linux and open source but this is not realistic to do for many people. Linux doesn't have the driver support that MS has and many programs that people need aren't available on linux. Open source alternatives fall short too. I.E... Gimp is not anywhere as good as photoshop and open/libre/star office is shit compared to MS office.
that only means that comfort is more important than privacy to you - which is fine.
my privacy is very important to me. even if windows could print food for free i wouldnt use it...
Not comfort primarily, but the functionality within these apps are what people see that's why they tend to use it over the other.
I love many distros of linux and open source but this is not realistic to do for many people. Linux doesn't have the driver support that MS has and many programs that people need aren't available on linux. Open source alternatives fall short too. I.E... Gimp is not anywhere as good as photoshop and open/libre/star office is shit compared to MS office.
that only means that comfort is more important than privacy to you - which is fine.
my privacy is very important to me. even if windows could print food for free i wouldnt use it...
Not comfort primarily, but the functionality within these apps are what people see that's why they tend to use it over the other.
They made it impossible to downgrade back to an older version where you have control of your computer.
This is false as you can easily revert back to windows 7 or 8 with a single click in settings. I just did it on a computer yesterday.Windows and OSX have had backdoor accessible to them and likely agencies like the NSA for many years before windows 10. They aren't secure OS's if you are a journalist, political activist, whistleblower, Network admin, or criminal. Don't use these OS for those purposes.
Source?Update:
I reverted back to Windows 7 immediately and because I used Windows 10 for awhile with some files on it, is it possible that all of the information already stored in my computer had been mined? Just a thought.
Possibly.Not comfort primarily, but the functionality within these apps are what people see that's why they tend to use it over the other.
It is about comfort. The average user does not use Photoshop nor do they need the extensive functionality of MS Office. I love many distros of linux and open source but this is not realistic to do for many people. Linux doesn't have the driver support that MS has and many programs that people need aren't available on linux. Open source alternatives fall short too. I.E... Gimp is not anywhere as good as photoshop and open/libre/star office is shit compared to MS office.
that only means that comfort is more important than privacy to you - which is fine.
my privacy is very important to me. even if windows could print food for free i wouldnt use it...
OTHER CONCERNS
"While the inital reflex may be to block all of the above servers via HOSTS, it turns out this won't work: Microsoft has taken the care to hardcode certain IPs, meaning that there is no DNS lookup and no HOSTS consultation. However, if the above servers are blocked via HOSTS, Windows will pretend to be crippled by continuously throwing errors, while still maintaining data collection in the background. Other than an increase in errors, HOSTS blocking did not affect the volume, frequency, or rate of data being transmitted."
This would be completely unacceptable and evil if it didn't have this context-
https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/issues/19
"The only IPs that are white listed in the DNS dll are update servers, activation servers, support and MSDN."
Hard-coding those Ip's around HOSTs makes a lot of sense because it is perfectly understandable for MSFT to insist upon collecting errors and patching botnet computers.
The concern I have with windows 10 is MSFT adapting the domains and servers gathering data continuously. I suppose we will see with time.
They made it impossible to downgrade back to an older version where you have control of your computer.
This is false as you can easily revert back to windows 7 or 8 with a single click in settings. I just did it on a computer yesterday.
Free windows 10 is the definition of a government honeypot.
Windows and OSX have had backdoor accessible to them and likely agencies like the NSA for many years before windows 10. They aren't secure OS's if you are a journalist, political activist, whistleblower, Network admin, or criminal. Don't use these OS for those purposes.
why not now?
it takes a little time to get used to it, but when the switch is done you dont want to look back
it takes a little time to get used to it, but when the switch is done you dont want to look back
I love many distros of linux and open source but this is not realistic to do for many people. Linux doesn't have the driver support that MS has and many programs that people need aren't available on linux. Open source alternatives fall short too. I.E... Gimp is not anywhere as good as photoshop and open/libre/star office is shit compared to MS office.
With all this crazy control shit that Windows is trying to get, sooner or later I'll be using Linux only!
why not now?
it takes a little time to get used to it, but when the switch is done you dont want to look back
eg small things like removing/renaming files while using them has made my life easier - and thats just a very small example
With all this crazy control shit that Windows is trying to get, sooner or later I'll be using Linux only!
I would just add that whoever upgraded (not performed a clean install) from Windows 8 or 7 you should go downgrade right now. AFAIK the option to downgrade is there only 1 month after you upgrade according to the settings. I'm in the process of reverting to Windows 8.1 right now. It's a shame that Microsoft is doing this. I might even just start fresh with a pirated (intended) Windows 7 edition on the laptop as well.
Using Bitcoin or any other encrypted service (such as e-mails) is pointless on Windows 10.
While these privacy concerns might be exaggerated, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Using Bitcoin or any other encrypted service (such as e-mails) is pointless on Windows 10.
While these privacy concerns might be exaggerated, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Yes I did it after 10 minutes only.
Windows 10 is simply crap!
Then when you downgrade also do this to remove the icon and the upgrade request or it will ask you again to do that.
http://www.howtogeek.com/218856/how-do-you-disable-the-get-windows-10-icon-shown-in-the-notification-tray/
And, lastly, go to explorer and clean the updates you downloaded to save up to 4 GB!!!
I would just add that whoever upgraded (not performed a clean install) from Windows 8 or 7 you should go downgrade right now. AFAIK the option to downgrade is there only 1 month after you upgrade according to the settings. I'm in the process of reverting to Windows 8.1 right now. It's a shame that Microsoft is doing this. I might even just start fresh with a pirated (intended) Windows 7 edition on the laptop as well.
Using Bitcoin or any other encrypted service (such as e-mails) is pointless on Windows 10.
While these privacy concerns might be exaggerated, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Using Bitcoin or any other encrypted service (such as e-mails) is pointless on Windows 10.
While these privacy concerns might be exaggerated, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Format your hard drive & install linux distro such as ubuntu, debian or linux mint. You don't have to worry about your privacy anymore.
Or just use older windows version
Or just use older windows version
true but some users are so used to using windows that they naturally would upgrade to version 10 if it is free.
I have some older versions of windows in VM that I use from time to time but I dont think I will be upgrading to windows 10 anytime in the near future if ever.
IMO nothing is for free.
There is always a catch.
Also, has anybody considered the fact that the new "free" windows come with some sort of mining apps that start as a service (apart from the data mining)?
I have not used win10 (nor am I planning to at the mo), so can someone verify the claims of this OP and also do a little digging around the OS?
Format your hard drive & install linux distro such as ubuntu, debian or linux mint. You don't have to worry about your privacy anymore.
Or just use older windows version
Or just use older windows version
true but some users are so used to using windows that they naturally would upgrade to version 10 if it is free.
I have some older versions of windows in VM that I use from time to time but I dont think I will be upgrading to windows 10 anytime in the near future if ever.
i wonder what bigger companies will do.
i dont think they'll accept this new ms policy or are business version without spyware?
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