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With all this being said, does that mean they could have manipulated results for players?
@joksim299 We totally understand your concerns, to make it fully transparent we will introduce the manual input of a client seed in a few days!
I played a 0.01% chance at first reached 35k bets but didn’t win, I deleted the seed and started again and reached almost 40k bets again but still didn’t win I turned to support asked why this chance is on the maximum amount he answered me what the chance can be up to 10,000,000 bets or more, that is, either the children sit in support or the support does not understand what’s lol, that is, if at 0.01% 10,000,000 bets it turns out that 1% percent can be 100k bets, the lol is really stupid or they wanted to mislead me also the day before yesterday I again showed the wrong timer on the video and when I click play all the coins play only one the last numbers do not play the question why they are needed the backing answered that I would not delete the video they will contact me but 2 days have passed but there’s nothing fixed in short bad attitude to their users and remember if they once deceived you they will always cheat you and ban the chat for no reason they ban only when the player writes about the problem on the site lol and it’s true in the 44th thread I described this for which I got a ban for one week on the 44th branch everything is described to all good luck
@RHAvar The client seed in compare to the server seed only looks like hashed, in fact, it is definitely not.
Obviously..
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As you can notice in a provably fair checker, the client seed is public as well as a nonce. Simple saying the client seed is just a random generated string that works equally to the manually provided string by a user.
It doesn't matter if it's public, it's exclusively picked by and controlled by the server (which knows the unhashed server-seed). Your website description of a client seed is correct, and the the very name "client seed" makes it clear that it's a seed set by the client after seeing the hashed server seed. Yet your site doesn't work that way. It can be done automatically (via client side random generation) but it should be set by the client, and absolutely must be allowing user input.
As it stand, the site clearly doesn't meet the standard threshold of "provably fair" and is imho engaging in pretty deceptive conduct by trying to explain away a major problem with technobabble.
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Put another way, if you simply removed the "client seed" the player would have exactly the same guarantees -- which just makes the whole client-seed as implemented by your site purely smoke-and-mirrors.
Its totally random they have RNG cetrificate in their footer
Here we have server seed and server client seed and we can only change it to another server client seed
You must allow user input as client seed without restriction
https://cryptogambling.org/articles/benchmarking-true-provable-fairness/
@RHAvar The client seed in compare to the server seed only looks like hashed, in fact, it is definitely not.
Obviously..
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As you can notice in a provably fair checker, the client seed is public as well as a nonce. Simple saying the client seed is just a random generated string that works equally to the manually provided string by a user.
It doesn't matter if it's public, it's exclusively picked by and controlled by the server (which knows the unhashed server-seed). Your website description of a client seed is correct, and the the very name "client seed" makes it clear that it's a seed set by the client after seeing the hashed server seed. Yet your site doesn't work that way. It can be done automatically (via client side random generation) but it should be set by the client, and absolutely must be allowing user input.
As it stand, the site clearly doesn't meet the standard threshold of "provably fair" and is imho engaging in pretty deceptive conduct by trying to explain away a major problem with technobabble.
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Put another way, if you simply removed the "client seed" the player would have exactly the same guarantees -- which just makes the whole client-seed as implemented by your site purely smoke-and-mirrors.
@RHAvar The client seed in compare to the server seed only looks like hashed, in fact, it is definitely not. As you can notice in a provably fair checker, the client seed is public as well as a nonce. Simple saying the client seed is just a random generated string that works equally to the manually provided string by a user. At the moment we don't allow for user input, but it will be released soon.
I was asked to comment on the provably fairness of this site.
AFAICT it doesn't even pass a cursory glance. I wasn't even able to specify my own client seed. Even the "refresh" option would generate a new one, server-side (where the server seed is known).
I'm not quite sure how the name "client seed" isn't a dead-giveaway that it should be picked by the client. I don't want to imply malice, but it's odd the site explanation directly contradicts how it actually works:
AFAICT it doesn't even pass a cursory glance. I wasn't even able to specify my own client seed. Even the "refresh" option would generate a new one, server-side (where the server seed is known).
I'm not quite sure how the name "client seed" isn't a dead-giveaway that it should be picked by the client. I don't want to imply malice, but it's odd the site explanation directly contradicts how it actually works:
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Wolf.bet uses a cryptographic provably fair algorithm which allows users to check and analyze the legitimacy of every roll and confirm they are not manipulated. Our random numbers are generated through the use of two seeds, a server seed, and client seed. The server seed is created before a user specifies his client seed, ensuring that a server seed purposely in our favor cannot be generated. The third variable is nonce which is an arbitrary number which increases by one after each roll has been made. Nonce together with the seeds is used to create a provably fair roll number within the 0-99.99 range.
Look at the difference between first position to second position for the latest contest results it looks very far more than 120 btc and i do agree if the statistics belong to the whales and i think this is first time to me seeing those wager statistics in the contest but seems it will be the last big wager i had seen because i didn't see big wager again appears at the current contest
Big wager can come anytime even in the last seconds, that's the common thing I can see on wagering contest.
Those who have smaller bankroll are wagering earlier because they need to make more bets with lower bet amount and whales come in the last hours/minutes with bigger bet amount.
Of course it does not happen every day, whales can come anytime they wish.
Those who wager in the last minutes try to win the contest with the minimum wagering amount needed. They usually wager a little more than the second place.
In the previous contest, the winner has wagered 125 BTC. The purpose of that gambler wasn't only winning the contest. He had likely wagered that amount during 24 hours.
Most of those high rollers don't even know there is a contest. Try just start playing and disappear after the session. Maybe the contest money stays untouched in their accounts.
Today's results are here! 
There are places that does give away money to people who find bugs but that is usually a thing that they let people know on their website as well. Like they would have a competition of "find a bug and get 100 buck" type of deal and if there is none then there is no reason to ask for it neither, people "could" help others out for free without expecting nothing in the real world but unfortunately we are living in a much more brutal and cruel world.
Let's hope wolf.bet actually listens and pays up because it is something that has been done nice to them here, people could abuse the next bug they find instead of letting them know, if you don't show some respect on the first one, second one won't show any respect to you neither, whatever they can change they will as a punishment.
Yes, wolf.bet is many things, they don't care about support, they don't care about marketing, they don't care about anything but themselves and how much money they make. But nobody could call them a scam, this place has never scammed anyone so far ever since they started.Let's hope wolf.bet actually listens and pays up because it is something that has been done nice to them here, people could abuse the next bug they find instead of letting them know, if you don't show some respect on the first one, second one won't show any respect to you neither, whatever they can change they will as a punishment.
Even the person who is calling the website scam didn't had too much detail about why he called the website a scam so he wrote the same thing over and over and over again so it looked a bit big but when you try to look at it and read it you see it is the same thing. If you have 2 accounts then you get banned, simple as that, there is no excuse, no reason, no logical explanation of why you could have two accounts. Open another account and both gets banned, simple as that.
I don't understand people who try to overcome the rules and think they can be beyond the rules because they did it differently than others, doesn't change the fact that you did something against the rules.
Look at the difference between first position to second position for the latest contest results it looks very far more than 120 btc and i do agree if the statistics belong to the whales and i think this is first time to me seeing those wager statistics in the contest but seems it will be the last big wager i had seen because i didn't see big wager again appears at the current contest
Big wager can come anytime even in the last seconds, that's the common thing I can see on wagering contest.
Those who have smaller bankroll are wagering earlier because they need to make more bets with lower bet amount and whales come in the last hours/minutes with bigger bet amount.
Of course it does not happen every day, whales can come anytime they wish.
Those who wager in the last minutes try to win the contest with the minimum wagering amount needed. They usually wager a little more than the second place.
In the previous contest, the winner has wagered 125 BTC. The purpose of that gambler wasn't only winning the contest. He had likely wagered that amount during 24 hours.
There are places that does give away money to people who find bugs but that is usually a thing that they let people know on their website as well. Like they would have a competition of "find a bug and get 100 buck" type of deal and if there is none then there is no reason to ask for it neither, people "could" help others out for free without expecting nothing in the real world but unfortunately we are living in a much more brutal and cruel world.
Let's hope wolf.bet actually listens and pays up because it is something that has been done nice to them here, people could abuse the next bug they find instead of letting them know, if you don't show some respect on the first one, second one won't show any respect to you neither, whatever they can change they will as a punishment.
Let's hope wolf.bet actually listens and pays up because it is something that has been done nice to them here, people could abuse the next bug they find instead of letting them know, if you don't show some respect on the first one, second one won't show any respect to you neither, whatever they can change they will as a punishment.
Look at the difference between first position to second position for the latest contest results it looks very far more than 120 btc and i do agree if the statistics belong to the whales and i think this is first time to me seeing those wager statistics in the contest but seems it will be the last big wager i had seen because i didn't see big wager again appears at the current contest
Big wager can come anytime even in the last seconds, that's the common thing I can see on wagering contest.
Those who have smaller bankroll are wagering earlier because they need to make more bets with lower bet amount and whales come in the last hours/minutes with bigger bet amount.
Of course it does not happen every day, whales can come anytime they wish.
Look at the difference between first position to second position for the latest contest results it looks very far more than 120 btc and i do agree if the statistics belong to the whales and i think this is first time to me seeing those wager statistics in the contest but seems it will be the last big wager i had seen because i didn't see big wager again appears at the current contest
Damn the first winner wagered more than 125btc, I think it is the first time I see someone wagered that much at Wolfbet during the race. It is like a sign that more whales are coming soon which will be good for Wolfbet. Once more whales come, I think Wolfbet will offer bigger race. Perhaps like weekly or monthly race with bigger prizes.
The participations of big whales are somewhat signals for the growths of Wolf.bet and reflect the rises of Wolf.bet's reputation too. Whales don't take risks at non-reliable sites with their huge funds like that. I think we can say congratulations for Wolf.bet with this whale participation in the last wagger round. If it can be maintained in next rounds of wagger contest, the Wolf.bet will have stable growths.Damn the first winner wagered more than 125btc, I think it is the first time I see someone wagered that much at Wolfbet during the race. It is like a sign that more whales are coming soon which will be good for Wolfbet. Once more whales come, I think Wolfbet will offer bigger race. Perhaps like weekly or monthly race with bigger prizes.
The participations of big whales are somewhat signals for the growths of Wolf.bet and reflect the rises of Wolf.bet's reputation too. Whales don't take risks at non-reliable sites with their huge funds like that. I think we can say congratulations for Wolf.bet with this whale participation in the last wagger round. If it can be maintained in next rounds of wagger contest, the Wolf.bet will have stable growths.Thats how you play wagering contest.
It was too easy to win top spots
Damn the first winner wagered more than 125btc, I think it is the first time I see someone wagered that much at Wolfbet during the race. It is like a sign that more whales are coming soon which will be good for Wolfbet. Once more whales come, I think Wolfbet will offer bigger race. Perhaps like weekly or monthly race with bigger prizes.
The participations of big whales are somewhat signals for the growths of Wolf.bet and reflect the rises of Wolf.bet's reputation too. Whales don't take risks at non-reliable sites with their huge funds like that. I think we can say congratulations for Wolf.bet with this whale participation in the last wagger round. If it can be maintained in next rounds of wagger contest, the Wolf.bet will have stable growths. All your feedback is appreciated and taken into account, thank you! Today's results are here, another crazy wagering session by hodler2
@SirLancelot Exactly what you are saying will be introduced next week! Races with bigger prizes but held for a shorter time or a prize pool divided among the larger number of players. We certainly try to A / B test a lot of things we promote but we face limitations also from the development side.
Marketing teams always need to do A/B test but this place denies that logic completely. I don't quite understand whats the point with having a website and only post the pictures and think that's marketing. We all know they are not doing any proper marketing, their marketing team obviously is interns or people who don't understand from marketing and they are failing at it very horribly.
How many websites give away a thousand dollars EVERY SINGLE DAY and still have as low user number as wolf.bet? Reality is this place should have a lot more users with this much money given but they only post the picture and leave and think that is called marketing when it is nowhere near enough marketing. I think there should be some tests like top 3 giveaway, top 10, top 30 is done, top 50, even top 100. All of these should be tested to see how it is.
How many websites give away a thousand dollars EVERY SINGLE DAY and still have as low user number as wolf.bet? Reality is this place should have a lot more users with this much money given but they only post the picture and leave and think that is called marketing when it is nowhere near enough marketing. I think there should be some tests like top 3 giveaway, top 10, top 30 is done, top 50, even top 100. All of these should be tested to see how it is.
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