Topic: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? - page 16. (Read 38029 times)

Adam Back lies you all in the face and pretends like nothing has happened.

What he says has nothing to do with original Bitcoin social contract designed by Satoshi. The original vision was that majority of miners and majority of users decide. Users decide by running their clients and miners decide by mining the longest chain. If users start using a client with another chain that is the longest, miners switch to that.

It is really simple. Users decide. MAJORITY of users decide. Where the hell did he get the "minority" from ?

Also, please remember that even if you don't understand Bitcoin technically, you can still vote correctly in the blocksize debate:

How ? The only thing that you actually need to consider is the actions taken by both sides of the debate.

There is only one side of the debate here that repeatedly tries to stifle discussion by resorting to censorship, DDoSing, outright lying while simultaneously pretending that nothing is actually happening. Check out yourself.

If they wanted the best for Bitcoin users, they wouldn't have to lie, censor and directly attack their opponents. Such actions clearly show their evil intentions and their ulterior hidden agenda. Words are often meaningless. Words are cheap. These days you can actually detect bullshit and real intentions of evil people only by watching their actions.

This is at least a 2000-year old truth. "You will recognize them by their fruits" it said in some ancient book.

So basically, the side of the debate that resorts to censorship, lying, manipulation and attacks, is 99,99% of the time the dishonest side which is trying to do something evil while pretending to do something good.

100% consensus is most probably unachievable because of the ability of a single powerful miner to destroy consensus.
I assume we are talking about miner consesus, right ?

1. But that is not really important. The last time hard fork happened (because of network malfunction), the network upgraded, resolved itself & reached "consensus" in around 6 hours. So miner consensus can happen almost instantly. Nobody wants to be on the losing side of the fork - that is pretty obvious.

2. Lately "consensus" means whatever Adam Back wants it to mean. Check out these links:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/434spq/adam_back_on_twitter_understand_bitcoin_social/
https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/692756252418576384

So basically now he claims that consensus is what minority (Blockstream) wants. He has lost it and is completely mad with power.

Last time I remember, Bitcoin was all about what majority wants. When minority wants to change rules of the game then it is called a HARD FORK and they go their separate way.

Not more?  Consensus is certainly at 1 MB then.  As I suspected.  To break the rules of the blockchain, e.g. by increasing the blocksize, increasing the money supply or inflation rate, etc, 10% is not enough.  Neither is 51% or 75% or even 90%.  You need 100% consensus.  Otherwise you will just create another altcoin which a few merchants have agreed to support.  I can not see a clear consensus here.  On the contrary most exchanges and merchants are not there.  Of course the developers won't increase the blocksize if only a few support it.  From the list it is unclear what blocksize they all want as well.  There are so many different suggestions and BIPs on blocksize, I have lost count of them.

Yes

If you would like to use TLSNotary to prove that your screenshot is genuine, PM me. 

Is a plenty of upvoted well-written posts by many distinct accounts on the social media what people believe nowadays?

You have nothing.

A screen that can be really easily faked is not a fact or proof of any kind.

Also your inability to post may be a technical malfunction.

EDIT:
Again, offtopic. Not continuing this any longer. What's with the offtopic making, people ? Can't you really stay straight for an hour ?

all I have is facts

Arguments.

Seriously, are you a child ? Start the arguments or leave the train.

Or you can also state: "You are right, my arguments were incorrect" and that will do it.

EDIT:
This thread has been archived for posterity:
https://archive.is/6Oqgk

More of what?

/r/btc is not censored. You may be shadowbanned from reddit, or from that subreddit.

You may also be a troll which has been banned from /r/btc.

Anyway, this is not enough proof to make an argument. More please.

EDIT:
This thread has been archived for posterity:
https://archive.is/6Oqgk

Toomim acknowledged it in an interview with Guy Corem that it was Olivier Janssen and Marshall Long who got him to be the lead dev of Classic, a position Gavin and Jeff repeatedly refused to take over despite repeated requests, get you facts straight.


Because why should a Chinese Bitcoin users be supposed to keep up with whatever happening on Reddit and Github(websites probably blocked in China)? How are they supposed to know if something is going on, and the view points of all sides?  Those in whatever ways closer to the devs naturally get more information and don't forget, Toomim & Co also haven't really clarified on lots of things, e.g., what they meant by Miner's vote, how do they count these votes? Who are eligible? Anyone with a miner counts? Are Butterfly Jalapenos included? If so, what about CPUs?


Core has no power to have the network upgrading, and could not do so in a timely manner, much of which is still using badly vulnerable client, which Core repeatedly urged to abandon, I have personally spoken to people who told me he wouldn't change anything until the first >1MB block drops, dude, have you ran a full node ever?

You really don't get the point do you? Luke-jr's patch would not be accepted by Core, and even if it did, it would not be accepted by the wider community(which doesn't take their orders),  and all I have heard is that they are oh so unpopular, you failure to grasp this is probably the origin of all your disagreements and misunderstandings.


I did test it, but I was more pointing out the fact that so called "economic majority" was merely a fiction, like, do you even hold a referendum for that?


You have to, the network wouldn't magically upgrade overnight even if you do a hard fork.

I wonder why you are trusting the code they write, even if you switch to Classic.

Explain.

Calling someone names doesn't make you look very good "asswipe"

Lol conflating btc with usd. Fucking retard.

So what has that to with this forum?

(I was being accused of being off-topic but I think that this is far more so)

[citation needed]

Fact 1: r/btc is censored

 https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/

You are stalling again.

Start with the arguments. Only then will you gain my respect.