Topic: Work From Home or The "Laptop Class" is Immoral or Not? - page 3. (Read 556 times)

Just because a person has obtained success in one aspect of their life, this does not mean they know everything there is to know, and what better example than this, it is obvious that as a business owner Elon likes to have as much control over the people that work for him, and this means people working at the office, but this is neither moral or more efficient, so this is just another instance in which we must disregard anything that Elon says as he does not really knows what he is talking about.

Elon Musk is a businessman who has been very successful with the products and services he offers to the world public at this time and this has been recognized by many people at this time. But if Elon views working from home as a moral issue, that could be true because perhaps for him it was actually much safer when he started monitoring all the work he had through a special tool that he provided himself. But some people who disagree with this also have their own reasons because they cannot possibly equate themselves with Elon Musk who has been quite successful in several business fields. And in your opinion, how do you respond to this?

I voted for NO, and I have to disagree with Elon. Yeah, times have changed post-pandemic, and as long as the workers can do their work for the company at home then there is no issues about WFH. It's about doing what you are being paid for, regardless on where you are working. And Elon can't compare it to people who serves coffee or in a physical store because that's their business, they are client facing and so they really need to be upfront everyday.

And remember that this WFH is not a new concept, back then when I work in a company, we have privileges wherein we can do work from home already. And it is perfectly fine. Also there are jobs that you can do at home without interacting. Or if you need someone then send them an email and for sure your job are not going to be affected.

You are right, it's hypocritical of Elon to say that working from home is immoral while he's building AI & robots. Billionaires seem to go crazy at some point, probably a lot of money goes to their heads and they get some weird ideas.

There's nothing wrong or immoral in working from home on a laptop, if the work is such that it can be done that way, why not? I think it's silly to talk about whether someone will be more productive in the workplace or while working from home, we are all different... I believe that people who feel comfortable and know how to organize their time can be just as (if not more ) productive while working from home. Again, it depends on the person, we are not all the same. Elon talks a lot and says a lot of smart things, but sometimes (like now) he gets a little carried away.

I haven't answered because the choice of answers is really limited and no matter which way we talk, we're probably discussing someone's personal opinion and it's not perfect.

Just like the moral issue is based on a means of work, this way of reasoning is not complete because we are born and raised with a lot of capital established from the beginning and also the process of contact with life depends on perception to see.

Regarding work, I think it still belongs to the person doing the work, like it's just a means. I still want to talk about the knife when it is used in the kitchen, or as a deadly weapon, so we cannot say that the knife lacks ethics. So the way the problem was posed from the beginning was an expression of opinion, so there was no answer to those answers.

Musk is using AL to replace human effort in work place and he can't feel it is a moral issue when someone works on his laptop from home so long the person is productive and delivers as according to his assignment schedule. If he is bringing down human labour and using robots, then he should also consider the moral issues there when he has succeeded to take food out of people and their families. Also by doing such lay offs, it means he has also contributed to the numbers of people who would be at home and try to find a job or work from home for themselves.

I don't see any morality question on this. To stay at home and work is facilitated because of the technological advancement globally and people take advantage of it to be at any location to reach the world, advertise their goods and services through digital connectivity. So what is the moral issue that working from home has created... Working from home was made popular from the COVID-19 pandemic where people avoided contacts with others making them work distance. Now, even offices have found patronage from online customers, goods and services are more comfortably delivered online. Therefore, working from home is not because of laziness but talking the opportunity that technology creates for different types of businesses to thrive.

From the entrepreneur's side, maybe most of them don't like this because working from home reduces the productivity of their employees and communicating is easier if employees are on site, and for that reason many companies prefer to call all their employees back to the company to work directly from there. However, this is only a matter of professionalism and linking it to moral issues is perhaps irrelevant. Because whether they work online or not, someone who works must be required to be professional in their work and they must understand that they are being paid, so they must obey the company's rules - whether they need to work online or offline, they must remain professional .

As a person who have worked from home during pandemic and now going office again, what I realized is I'm more productive when I'm at a formal setting. It could also be associated with habit or persona discipline but when I work from home, I barely get the job done, I also procrastinate more and finish the job only when I'm required to.
When I'm at my office table with my office computer, my mind and body works like a machine, I get things done quick, am able to parallel process many task and completes task as soon as I can. I don't have anything to distract me and don't even check my phone once. While if I were at home, I would have a lot of distractions.

in my opinion working using a class laptop is not an immoral act, every person has a reason for that, there are those who don't feel comfortable when working at home and there are those who feel very comfortable when working using a class laptop but when you steal that class laptop or damage it but if you don't want to be responsible for fixing it, that's an immoral act.

Obviously he said that because he is a businessman and what he wants is for all his employees to sweat to get to the office and work according to the standards he sets, but he forgets that when talking about effectiveness, even working from home will still be effective depending on the individual, the person responsible it won't reduce the quality of his work just because he can freely do it at home, but irresponsible people will be ineffective even if they work from the office, so which is better? clearly, the person is responsible and wherever he works the quality will remain the same, and working from home can reduce stress because he has to spend more time getting to the office because of traffic jams, so working from home is a good thing if it is done by the right person and the world is experiencing many changes that must be accepted.

I also don't agree that working from home is morally wrong as long as the worker is giving their 100% even from home. Understandably, some people might misuse the opportunity and become less productive when they are working from home, but if someone has a complete office set up at home, has no disturbance while they are working, is always productive towards their work, and never lacks behind, I don't see any problem with such people working from home.

It should be morally wrong if a person working from home starts losing productivity and the company can see a significant change in their work and behaviour or seriousness towards their job and responsibilities. There is also nothing wrong with someone working on-site as long as the commute isn't a very big problem for them.

Elon has bolder things to say other than that, Just today I saw a news about him saying jobs will become a ‘hobby’ as he predicted the future of work and AIs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXBz6Jf_PwM

This is because of the AI and the anchor added that if the robot took your job and you don't like your job, you can dedicate your life to what you're passionate about. This is scary for all those working class.

I think Elon Musk is wrong here. Working from home isn't a moral high ground but it's not immoral either. It's not a moral issue. Some jobs require physical on-site presence, for others it's completely useless and many jobs are in between. If a job can be done efficiently from home, working from home should be an option. As for essential service work that can't be done from home, maybe the world should pay more for those jobs to compensate for this need.
Working from home remains popular and highly desirable by many people, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I do not understand whether working via the Internet using a laptop has anything to do with the Immoral issue or not? Work is work, whether it is through direct presence in offices or via the Internet.

As long as you do the work required of you honestly and the employer gets exactly what he wants and at the required time, why is the issue unmoral? What is important is the result, and the employer will not pay you the wage unless he obtains what is required.

On the contrary, office work can sometimes be unmoral, as employees can waste time uselessly and intentionally delay work in order to get paid when they achieve the required working hours.

it depends on the job of course it the entire job can be done from remote working I think there's nothing wrong from it, personally I'm on the favour of working remote, no need to have higher carbon foot print traveling just to do the same exact thing that can be done from home, its overall the more efficient way to work and also to save the planet if you know it can also reduce gas needed for transportation meaning it will reduce our overall expenses.
from his opinion you can see from elon perspective that he probably feels wasting money on people that work from home.
but honestly if job is done then it should be okay, i don't understand with these big companies that demands more just for the sake of demanding, maybe the higher ups will feel a lot more productive seeing their employees working together in one place while in reality it absolutely is unnecessary.

When tf did morals come into play in work? Pretty sure CEOs don't bother thinking about that when they throw pizza parties instead of paying their employees proper salaries lol. Plus, the goddamn dumbass argument of trying to make it a moral issue. A plumber working from home? Really? That's the best argument you can come up with? Jesus Christ I know in some aspects you're a genius but holy fuck stop arguing about morals you suck at it.

Sure, if people who were wfh were indeed plumbers, sure, argue that they're not supposed to be working on site. But it's not lol. Most people wfh are on the logistics sides of things. It's really dumb how people invent things to make life easier yet said same people refuse to use said inventions to make life easier.

IIRC, with his story and interview, he said that it was NASA that was able to save him and his empire by having that $1B deal on them. Anyway, there's always the entitlement from these successful people but even with their money, it doesn't mean wisdom to us. We understand how it is to be in the bottom and for sure that he do as well. But he's forgetting that he's standing on a higher ground where most of the people won't get there and he has to realize that sooner.

And that's why his thoughts and opinions won't be aligned to us and that statement about working from home will he never understand because he's an owner of various companies that he owns. Well, moving on. I don't want to dig no more about his attitudes and characters. It's just more about his stand about working from home that we don't agree with him with. The rest, let alone everyone understand criticize him the way he's doing things and how he acts like child.

The world doesn't revolve around what Elon musk thinks, working from home can't be immoral, working from home makes work less stressful and more relaxing. Working from home is also more productive and doesn't put limitations on how many work people can do remotely. Working online has made people to be able to work from different geographical location in the world and still delivering a perfect job. Maybe Elon musk doesn't like the idea but that doesn't make it immoral or wrong. He has his own thinking and I'm surprised by him saying this because with the help of some of the technology that he's improving on, working from home might become more common.

Lets consider people that do some jobs online and get paid in Bitcoin or other cryptocurrency, this won't have been possible if everybody has the thinking of Elon musk. He thinks in a way that isn't normal and doesn't go in accordance with the rest of the world. He's a genius no doubt but not everything that a genius says that should make sense to us because they can make mistakes and this is one for those times. The world is going digital, we can't stop the need for the spread of remote jobs.

Surprised to see someone voted Yes lol.
I have nothing against Elon but he is just not making sense here. Because some people go to the office or stand on the manufacturing line to do their job, he also wants people to go into the office and do the work there. If it can be done online then it's an option. Not sure what he is trying to make people do.

i don't really agree with this, because issues related to morals have further implications for individuals and discussing it just because of wfh or laptop classes is quite excessive. because in some cases, working or studying online is much more effective and efficient, because not all lessons or work need to be completed offline. for example, in my city, until now offices and schools are regulated by the government to make their students or employees work online once a week, to reduce traffic jams and the carbon footprint resulting from people's travel. this is really effective and the plan is to extend it in the future.

indeed, at one point, working or studying offline is more effective, but at one time the online world is just as effective, and we don't need to exaggerate to say that this is a moral issue.