Topic: Work From Home or The "Laptop Class" is Immoral or Not? - page 5. (Read 556 times)

I haven't watched the video yet, but will here soon.  This, at face value, sounds like some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.  Personally for me working from home (which I do) has so many positives that out weigh the traditional working in the office type of work.  How on earth could this be a moral issue?  I think Elon is a fool personally who runs his mouth far too often just to hear himself speak.

No.

It's not immoral.

I think that Elon and the rest who agrees with him are just used to the typical setup that they want to see their workers on their offices. He knows what's his best for his businesses and companies but it's not applicable to all.

Most of the companies that are allowing remote setup sees the value on it and for their employees, they're also giving value to themselves and their worth is being appreciated because they're working while they can bond with their family.

The reduce commute time can be allotted to something meaningful to them before they work. Anyway, I like the remote setup and this is where the world is going to but for these business magnates, to each their own.

The world is rapidly moving towards becoming a smaller village with the inception of new technologies daily and as such some things are there that are going to be stopped. The new generation of Gen Z are definitely those who are exploiting things like working from home to ease not just the workers but the company too some extra expenses that would have been spent on a physical working environment. But still I will say that the act of working all from home to me is certainly not attainable for all companies no matter what because, some companies would definitely need a physical establishment before they can earn the massive trust of customers to prioritize them. A total work from home would certainly cast doubt on the effectiveness of the services.

The Tech Industry are easily the most effective setups that can easily venture into the work from home thing because they usually do not need edifice to show the customers or consumers that they can be trusted. But for sectors like health and educational services then a work from home wouldn’t be enough for the clients even if it is a consultancy.


Personally what I will say i deduced from the relaxing of worker working from home for the then Twitter and now X by Elon Musk was just to me a thing of cutting down expenses on the company. Elon Musk even though regarded as the richest man currently took a major hit when he bought the then twitter company. If we recall it was also the period where inflation was threatening a lot and he had to cut his loses like the way other companies do during recessions. He must have weighed the value of this workers and felt like those working from home could actually be less effective and that’s why they were the targeted ones to lose their jobs

Honestly Elon is a last person i would listen to talk about morality. Also, his point didn't make any sense. For some people there's zero reason to leave their home for work. What elon is saying is similar to saying it's morally wrong that different people have different kinds of jobs. Also this would be first time that elon gave a shit about his employers. He has literally mocked them, kicked his employees out of their jobs, and he values profits over experts and customer / employees safety.

Without any video to back this up, i would totally believe this would be not so well written Onion news headline.

It's all about productiveness, right? When employees work in person at the company building they can be watched and observed by their supervisors, so it's easier to control who is working and who isn't, and why a determined employee is producing more, while another one is producing less. However, when employees work from home, it's not possible or it's very hard to check their performance. Maybe they can be cheating on the boss, and the boss doesn't even know about it. One example is the usage of AIs nowadays. People got lazy and want the AIs to do the whole job for them.

We don't need to go too far to see this reality, as we have already faced it here at bitcointalk forum with some members copying and pasting content from ChatGPT to make their posts for signature campaigns. If those forum members were working physically at a company building, it would be easier to catch them cheating on the instant moment they were doing so, through a supervisor or through a camera installed on the room.

In fact, the camera idea is even being introduced by some companies for remote workers, as the company forces those employees to keep a camera online during the whole worktime. I don't know how effective it is, or even if it's moral to force an employee to follow this rule...

I kinda get where he's coming from, but I ain't fully sold on it.  Ultimately, what matters most is if people are crushing their goals and staying on track with projects, right? Who cares if Debra in accounting is brainstorming in her PJs instead of choking down gas station coffee in a traffic jam?

Now look I get it aint for everyone.  Some folks thrive off collaborating in person and need that water cooler chat to spark ideas.  But for others, the flexibility of remote work does wonders for their productivity and  they don't need an open office plan to crush it.   

From what I've noticed, seems like a lot of Bitcoin heads are fully remote anyway.  With crypto, you can chart charts, run numbers, scribble code, shill coins, and tweet hot takes from wherever - just need that laptop battery juice and a WIFI connection. As long as deliverables are met and timelines looked good does it really matter if you're camped in a WeWork or a hammock in Costa Rica?

You both make good points! Working remotely certainly presents cost savings for companies in terms of reduced office overheads.  It can also promote flexibility and work-life balance for employees and  however, online collaboration has its difficulties, and some staffers may find it tougher to remain productive without the structure of a traditional workplace.  Ultimately, the success of remote work depends on various factors - the specific organization, the roles involved, employee personalities.  While not a universal solution, it can mutually benefit many companies and staff when conditions align.  For example, I like to work from home, and I do not believe that I will ever go back to the old, traditional model. If for some reason this is no longer possible in my current employment, I will look for a new company that allows me to do this, or I will simply go the freelance route.

This.

This is the most important thing because if we do speak about work output in regardless on how its been done as long it would really be able to be provided in the end of the day or something that could be finished then there would really be no issues in this regard. We cant really be able to deny nor we arent that blind that technology becomes that getting more advanced and the things around or getting involved are actually that making those drastic changes on which it wont really be shocking if one day there would really be that full integration or switch up but of course there's no way that it would really be that happening in a snap but rather it would really be that slowly but of course it would be also that co-exist to each other on which it isnt that bad either.

We are living in a world on which it would be something that advancement that if there would really be changes then it would be just that right that you would really be needing up                                                                                                                                 to adjust or adapt accordingly. We are really that now on living on where everything could be that different on the  things that we are getting used to.
If now that most work or jobs could be done remotely then it wont really be shocking that it would really be having this kind of set up.

Most probably due to the transition phase, we can't expect them to fit instantly to completely different environment right. As said it's beneficial for the company if the nature of job allows the work from home is possible. And this is kind of new era to find the actual passionate employees and who are just working because they have been under the eyes, I am sure the one who committed to their task will bring more productivity to the company.

Work from home used to be a thing of a freelance job, you work from home and get paid for that particular job and go hunt for another one but everything change during the lockdown when movement were restricted and because we are now in a digital era, there are things that can be done from home and that escalated quickly for many companies and today it's has become a norm.

Some companies has small place of work, having more staff present in there means they have to go for a bigger space and that means bigger expenses, employing a staff that could actually work from home will be cheaper if he or she can deliver efficiently without any procrastination and been punctual. There is nothing that's wrong with working at home as long as the staff delivers.

As for Elon Musk, I just think he is a fan of working from home. I remember him sacking many staffs immediately when he resume as the CEO of Twitter. Everyone in the company payroll that were working from home were sent off and paid, so his statement is justified from his behavior with staffs.

Elon is a scumbag and his opinions are worthless. He got rich because he was given a bunch of money and was lucky enough to be in the right spot when Paypal needed a cash injection in the early days. He is far from a genius, he was just able to accumulate enough money from other peoples hard work and then decided to go on a Twitter spam fest. He's been known to do insider trading, has a brutally thin ego that reacts badly to offense when he is shown up as a clown and has wasted huge amounts of money ($20 billion+ overpaying on Twitter alone). He wants people in his companies in the office so he can squeeze all of the energy out of them, but it is not good for the workers.

How is Mr Musk doing who is on the moral high horse telling people to get off their moral high horse? How is it morally wrong for people to want to work from home? In my opinion, it makes things easier. It should only be a problem if the person is not productive and if if an employee is not productive you let him go. There are many people who would take on the job and do it well.

He's talking about about engineers, people who fix my house and people who deliver my food not being able to work from home. Really? Did I make them go into that profession or trade? The hypocrisy of this guy. He's worth billions of dollars and there are people who don't make up to a hundred dollars a month, why doesn't he ask how morally wrong that is?
How is it morally okay for a doctor who saves life to make just 20% of what a football player makes? Elon Musk of all people should understand how life works.

His statement was that working from home is morally wrong and he has his reason for his position. I know working from home can reduce productivity which is why many companies like Amazon and Salesforce are forcing workers to return to offices. For me, it will be morally wrong to work from home if your employer's is that you should work in the office. I don't see any problem if people decide to work from home if the company permits it. What is important is for the worker to be productive or perform his task effectively and efficiently. I don't take Elon Must seriously because he is a typical example of a modern-day slave Master.


There are concerns that productivity is reduced when workers work from home. Working from the office makes supervision, teamwork, and direction easy. Anyway, working remotely could be cheaper.

What it has anything to do with the moral values?

Work from home is the new normal and it's the fact that we can't change and that's what the evolution of internet will lead to anyway sooner or later if COVID hasn't interfered in midway and forced everyone to work from their place.

Work from home is actually good for the company too, they no need skyscraper offices, no need to spend huge money in electricity bills and work at everyone's convenience.

Everyone has different perspectives on how they view people who work from home. For me, anywhere you can work as long as you don’t become a setback to the company's goal, you are all good. There is nothing immoral about how the person uses the delivery service to the company.

Some people see working from home as immoral, as they believe they could be distracted and won’t be there when they are needed in the office, and there will be a lack of professionalism in their mode of work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.