Would you Bet on a Fight that is Scripted?

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Quote from: goaldigger on March 09, 2023, 04:06:27 PM

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I like WWE but I don't like to bet on its matches because they're all scripted. That's why it's made for entertainment and that's why even during my childhood it made me believe that everything there is real. But not until I become grown up and understand the meaning of WWE.
It is no sense to me to bet on matches that even if it is scripted, I still don't know who's going to win on it. And that's why you rarely see matches on bookies with it because even if it's a sport, it's also entertainment that's attached to it, it's not a competitive sport, unlike the others.

Many thought WWE is a real one not until we saw a lot of news about it being a scripted movie just for the purpose of entertainment. Well, its hard to tell if you have the right source so its risky to bet and honestly,

I was also one of those boys that have believed that WWE is a real thing. I think about the source based on the OP, it says that they're the actual source the management itself so that's not going to be a questionable thing if ever they're now allowed to put their matches into bookies.

Quote from: goaldigger on March 09, 2023, 04:06:27 PM

honestly, WWE didn’t entertain me anymore since the exit of my childhood star like The Undertaker. If you are going to bet on this, make sure that you are ready for the risk.

That's okay, we became grown-ups and that's why there's no more flavor in watching wrestling matches. But it had added a lot of nice experiences watching it and made our childhood colorful. Those retirements that we've been seeing from our childhood heroes, that also signifies that they're not just the only one that's growing older but also us.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 10, 2023, 04:33:01 PM

Quote from: harapan on March 10, 2023, 04:24:15 PM

This doesn't in any way look viable. There's no way you can keep the outcome of the match from leaking. Even information from organizations and agencies that their M.O. is secrecy still gets leaked. There are too many loopholes to exploit in this. The outcome of the match is known in the organization weeks or days to the match. You cant keep these kind of things a secret for that long, it would certainly come out to the public one way or the other. Lets assume they can contain it somehow and makes sure it doesn't leak, how do the handle the people in the organization that have access to this information? They would definitely want to exploit the opportunity and make the most out of it.

Well the point is that some 3rd party are going to handle the outcome of the match in secrecy and most likely the people involved are going to sign NDA to prevent anything from leaking into the public.

Nevertheless, as others have said, when we are young, we love WWF (as it was known before), and we become fans of it and it become a part of our childhold days. But I will not going to bet on the fight that is scripted though. Might as well put my money on other sports betting.

Too sad to know that our favorite WWE is scripted even without any official statement about this, rumors seems more reliable and true. So probably every fighter have signed the NDA or else that show was ruined already, and viewers might not watch it anymore. I also not prefer to bet on a fight light this, where the opposite result can happen any time, even if you have a trusted insider, it is still risky to follow that signal not unless you'll bet with his money as well.

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Quote from: harapan on March 10, 2023, 04:24:15 PM

This doesn't in any way look viable. There's no way you can keep the outcome of the match from leaking. Even information from organizations and agencies that their M.O. is secrecy still gets leaked. There are too many loopholes to exploit in this. The outcome of the match is known in the organization weeks or days to the match. You cant keep these kind of things a secret for that long, it would certainly come out to the public one way or the other. Lets assume they can contain it somehow and makes sure it doesn't leak, how do the handle the people in the organization that have access to this information? They would definitely want to exploit the opportunity and make the most out of it.

Well the point is that some 3rd party are going to handle the outcome of the match in secrecy and most likely the people involved are going to sign NDA to prevent anything from leaking into the public.

Nevertheless, as others have said, when we are young, we love WWF (as it was known before), and we become fans of it and it become a part of our childhold days. But I will not going to bet on the fight that is scripted though. Might as well put my money on other sports betting.

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This doesn't in any way look viable. There's no way you can keep the outcome of the match from leaking. Even information from organizations and agencies that their M.O. is secrecy still gets leaked. There are too many loopholes to exploit in this. The outcome of the match is known in the organization weeks or days to the match. You cant keep these kind of things a secret for that long, it would certainly come out to the public one way or the other. Lets assume they can contain it somehow and makes sure it doesn't leak, how do the handle the people in the organization that have access to this information? They would definitely want to exploit the opportunity and make the most out of it.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 10, 2023, 08:31:03 AM

It's possible I'd bet the scripted fight but avoid placing big bets because that comes with the risk of losing money should the scenario change. Or if I didn't know the fighter, I wouldn't place the bet and would rather enjoy some other entertainment that doesn't cost money. But there are many options that people can choose from and usually, they will place big bets because there is already a guarantee that the fighter will win in that fight.

Well, it's actually up to the bettors because they are the ones who will determine whether they want to place a bet, just skip it or just watch the fight. But it is a fraud where we are guaranteed to win and we don't know what the return of the information will be to the informant.

Scripted fight or not, it's always advised to bet smaller amounts if you are not familiar with the contestants involved. Any sports is still entertaining with or without betting involved but people only do bets on them to make extra money. They are turning their hobby into a profitable activity.

There are people who enjoy scripted or exhibition matches but for me I think I will enjoy those fights who are natural. They are also more exciting to watch because each players are giving their best in order to win the competition. This is usually the type of match that I will like to place a bet but I will first track the player's record so that I can increase my winning chance.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 10, 2023, 05:37:15 AM

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It is inevitable that results might be leaked especially those that are working for them. They can't just guarantee that even if there will be FEDs involve, they just can't help if money is involved with it.

The fact that it is scripted and promising that they won't leak the result is already vague. That's an odd promise to be said as there's something that would be pursued once it's allowed.

It's easy money for them and the management will surely take advantage of it. Well, they might just go to Vegas and do the fights there. Tongue

There will always be high chances that results will eventually come out in the public, no matter how they promised to the audience that everything will not be leaked. Everyone wants to make an income of it especially for those greedy operators so it won’t be surprising at all if audience has already anticipated who’s the winner in the end. However, when it comes to betting on this type of scripted game, to be honest i don’t see it exciting anymore.

If it's just a promise and there's no punishment for any breach of contract then they can commit "mistakes" anytime as they wish. We all aware of the gambling industry is a big money industry and that's why any opportunity that can be seen either by gamblers, management and other people related to the business, they'll take it.

Quote from: Finestream on March 10, 2023, 05:37:15 AM

Gone are the days where we think this WWE is real and not scripted, but now that we know that everything is being faked, betting on it is like useless anymore. It’s more on an entertainment actually, no need to place an actual bet.

It's because that they've been exposed and they said that they're scripted so, people are assuming every match they do is already scripted. But true that I miss those days when I was still a kid and believes everything I see there.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 10, 2023, 01:27:54 PM

Actually, no. There is no manipulation because the match is not even live. Results are already determined prior to that match to be listed on whatever bookies will list it. It means people who are not aware of the result of that scripted match will guess who's the winner of the match even if it's scripted. A guessing game indeed.

Not that interesting though for us usual bettors here that only place a bet on a legit match.

It was discussed before here that there's a bookie that lists WWE matches. Just remember that considered betting on that only for entertainment.

I thought of it being live and when they're looking at the live odds and details of most bets in bookies, they can alter the result based on what's favoring them and the house.

But if it's a pre-recorded match, it's certainly a guessing game but those staff and people that had a glance of that result during the recording session, they will surely not gonna miss any single bet for that match even if the odds will be too little.

The purpose is certainly for entertainment but still, there's an entry for taking advantage from those people that knows the actual result and it can't be helped.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 09, 2023, 11:08:34 AM

Everything about WWE is scripted since I know about them, the matches look fake to me at times and it is not what I can go for. I will prefer to for boxing instead which is real. I can never bet on wresting like WWE.

For the real life matches in sport, we have so many options that we can just go for instead of the wrestling that is only meant for entertainment, not for betting for me when I have real life ones that can even take away my whole day if I want it to be like that.

It's funny but most WWE wrestlers get angry when you mention "fake fights". I remember that back in the day Hulk Hogan was always offended by it, even though it was true. There were some real hits made of course and some wrestlers broke limbs or even their backs, but it can be compared to what stunt men are doing in movies. They also get injured but they know what's going to happen and the goal is not to get injured but make a good show.

I wouldn't bet on that. It doesn't make sense to me since fighters know who will win before the match starts.

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Quote from: virasisog on March 10, 2023, 11:12:16 AM

WWE is entertaining to watch but I think they will only take advantage of their bettors by manipulating the whole gameplay so I'd rather just watch it for fun than bet big.

Actually, no. There is no manipulation because the match is not even live. Results are already determined prior to that match to be listed on whatever bookies will list it. It means people who are not aware of the result of that scripted match will guess who's the winner of the match even if it's scripted. A guessing game indeed.

Not that interesting though for us usual bettors here that only place a bet on a legit match.

It was discussed before here that there's a bookie that lists WWE matches. Just remember that considered betting on that only for entertainment.

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It's possible I'd bet the scripted fight but avoid placing big bets because that comes with the risk of losing money should the scenario change. Or if I didn't know the fighter, I wouldn't place the bet and would rather enjoy some other entertainment that doesn't cost money. But there are many options that people can choose from and usually, they will place big bets because there is already a guarantee that the fighter will win in that fight.

Well, it's actually up to the bettors because they are the ones who will determine whether they want to place a bet, just skip it or just watch the fight. But it is a fraud where we are guaranteed to win and we don't know what the return of the information will be to the informant.

I myself actually have different assumptions and opinions from yours because I would never want to bet on such a fight even if I only used a smaller amount of money.
Bets on battles that are written have such a big risk because in that battle there must be a lot of manipulation that will only benefit one party and make many gamblers lose and lose their bet money.
We bet with the aim of getting big profits and of course we will make bets with the amount of bets we can afford and with a slightly larger amount too so it's better to bet on matches or fights that we can only rely on so we can predict easily and can win the bet.
If indeed the fight is only for entertainment and looking for fun it is better to just watch it without having to get involved in the bets that have been provided.

WWE is entertaining to watch but I think they will only take advantage of their bettors by manipulating the whole gameplay so I'd rather just watch it for fun than bet big. I would prefer betting with smaller amounts just for fun because we can take WWE seriously since they're full of drama and scripts. It's better to enjoy it without having the doubt of losing because a scripted or manipulated sports is actually unpredictable because the result might depend on the number of bets.

Maybe when we were kids, it was fun to watch the masked jokers but the fights are not really real.
When a big guy punches a person straight to his face, in real life it's going to be bloody. If you are skinny and in a position against the big guy, you would know you are no match against him that's the reality.

It wouldn't be surprising to see a lot of upsets in WWE fights that even the tiniest can win over a Brock Lesnar type.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 10, 2023, 08:31:03 AM

It's possible I'd bet the scripted fight but avoid placing big bets because that comes with the risk of losing money should the scenario change. Or if I didn't know the fighter, I wouldn't place the bet and would rather enjoy some other entertainment that doesn't cost money. But there are many options that people can choose from and usually, they will place big bets because there is already a guarantee that the fighter will win in that fight.

Well, it's actually up to the bettors because they are the ones who will determine whether they want to place a bet, just skip it or just watch the fight. But it is a fraud where we are guaranteed to win and we don't know what the return of the information will be to the informant.

I myself actually have different assumptions and opinions from yours because I would never want to bet on such a fight even if I only used a smaller amount of money.
Bets on battles that are written have such a big risk because in that battle there must be a lot of manipulation that will only benefit one party and make many gamblers lose and lose their bet money.
We bet with the aim of getting big profits and of course we will make bets with the amount of bets we can afford and with a slightly larger amount too so it's better to bet on matches or fights that we can only rely on so we can predict easily and can win the bet.
If indeed the fight is only for entertainment and looking for fun it is better to just watch it without having to get involved in the bets that have been provided.

WWE is entertaining to watch but I think they will only take advantage of their bettors by manipulating the whole gameplay so I'd rather just watch it for fun than bet big. I would prefer betting with smaller amounts just for fun because we can take WWE seriously since they're full of drama and scripts. It's better to enjoy it without having the doubt of losing because a scripted or manipulated sports is actually unpredictable because the result might depend on the number of bets.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 10, 2023, 08:31:03 AM

It's possible I'd bet the scripted fight but avoid placing big bets because that comes with the risk of losing money should the scenario change. Or if I didn't know the fighter, I wouldn't place the bet and would rather enjoy some other entertainment that doesn't cost money. But there are many options that people can choose from and usually, they will place big bets because there is already a guarantee that the fighter will win in that fight.

Well, it's actually up to the bettors because they are the ones who will determine whether they want to place a bet, just skip it or just watch the fight. But it is a fraud where we are guaranteed to win and we don't know what the return of the information will be to the informant.

I myself actually have different assumptions and opinions from yours because I would never want to bet on such a fight even if I only used a smaller amount of money.
Bets on battles that are written have such a big risk because in that battle there must be a lot of manipulation that will only benefit one party and make many gamblers lose and lose their bet money.
We bet with the aim of getting big profits and of course we will make bets with the amount of bets we can afford and with a slightly larger amount too so it's better to bet on matches or fights that we can only rely on so we can predict easily and can won the bet.
If indeed the fight is only for entertainment and looking for fun it is better to just watch it without having to get involved in the bets that have been provided.

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It's possible I'd bet the scripted fight but avoid placing big bets because that comes with the risk of losing money should the scenario change. Or if I didn't know the fighter, I wouldn't place the bet and would rather enjoy some other entertainment that doesn't cost money. But there are many options that people can choose from and usually, they will place big bets because there is already a guarantee that the fighter will win in that fight.

Well, it's actually up to the bettors because they are the ones who will determine whether they want to place a bet, just skip it or just watch the fight. But it is a fraud where we are guaranteed to win and we don't know what the return of the information will be to the informant.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 09, 2023, 11:01:04 AM

Would you bet on a fight that is scripted even with the promise that the outcome will not be leaked to the public before the match ends? What is the ethical consideration is this case? Well this is the new information regarding the WWE about to explore this new type of betting option. You can read a part of the news quoted below and make your comments.

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WWE Keen to Explore Betting on Scripted Fights as an Option
But if the states were to clear this type of betting, that would only raise integrity concerns observers believe, as the outcomes of fights would be known and the possibility of a leak – high. WWE is reportedly working with Ernst & Young, an accountancy firm, to prove that the results of such fights would not be known to the public beforehand nor that they would leak out of the organizaiton.

Ernst & Young has previously advocated for the legalization of Academy Awards betting, and worked to keep the results a secret, proving that it’s possible to know an outcome beforehand and still have a fair betting market on the activity. WWE is of a similar mind, as the Oscars are already supported as betting markets in some places in the country, so why would sportsbooks hesitate to offer WWE fights, which are a form of entertainment for the most part rather than a pure athletic contest?

No official comment has been made by WWE officials to further elaborate on the situation, but Colorado has already denied the rumors. The Colorado Division of Gaming spoke to CNBC and briefly said that it had no intention of allowing betting on WWE matches as of right now. Legalizing WWE fights as viable betting events is not a stretch, however.

https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/wwe-wants-to-launch-gambling-on-scripted-fights-in-colorado-michigan/

LOL, WWE is already scripted to the core. Sometimes it's just hilarious to watch the fighters literally act in the ring.
I would definitely not place any bet if it were in such scripted fights.
Besides that, what's the point if one already knows the outcome of the match. Why would anyone bet in such a match anyway ?

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Betting on a scripted fight is not only extremely boring but its not even gambling, really. Its like that old game you play with kids where they guess which hand is holding the candy behind their back. A mean adult might even switch hands to win, every time.

Same thing with scripted "fights". Although I would not call them fights. Scripted means there is no real fight, no real action. So its not even a sport, as far as I can tell. Just a swindle.

But maybe some people like to bet on "who is planned to be the winner". 50/50 chance to get the right one, after all.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 09, 2023, 11:01:04 AM

Would you bet on a fight that is scripted even with the promise that the outcome will not be leaked to the public before the match ends? -snip-

I wouldn't bet on such fights from the WWE. The fact that these fights are scripted just takes the fun out of betting on them. Also, in my opinion, it allows too much cheating. The organizers can preview the quettes and finish the fight the way they need it to make a big profit. Sure, it's debatable if they would actually do it, but the possibility still exists. Sad

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 09, 2023, 11:01:04 AM

Would you bet on a fight that is scripted even with the promise that the outcome will not be leaked to the public before the match ends?

My answer is "Yes", but only for entertainment purposes using small money, I would not bet big money with very high risk of losing. Sometimes it's very entertaining to see how WWE plays the drama they create for their wrestlers. But I'm sure that if they make bets on their matches, there won't be a lot of people betting there, I personally also can't be sure they'll stick with the initial scenario if the betting on a particular wrestler is really heavy.

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What the hell was WWE? Do you mean the American Wrestling Federation?
American wrestling is entertainment, not actual sport. Betting on scripted fights is like betting on the outcome of some Hollywood movie. Grin

Total nonsense, if you ask me. It seems like the people, who are running the American Wrestling Federation want to squeeze more money out of the rednecks, who are watching this "wrestling" BS. I used to be a fan of WWE 20 years ago, when I was a dumb kid/teenager. Now I can't watch WWE fights without feeling the cringe. Grin

Only kid/teenagers/redneck enjoy this kind of circus. I would never bet any money on scripted fights. This is ridiculous.

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No, I won't bet on this.
I am a fan of WWE back when I was a kid but not anymore ever since I realized it was all scripted. The Rock, Stonecold Steve Austin, Mankind, X-pac, Triple H, and more, you name it, all are still in my memory especially that cage match with Mick Foley.
It's entertainment only and they can bend the situations if ever the management feels like the fans are not on the hype anymore. They put rivalries, villains, or other stuff. But betting on it is way far from reality and I sincerely doubt there will be patrons on that betting line. (Not that I am against scripted entertainment)

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 09, 2023, 06:35:03 PM

Quote from: n0ne on March 09, 2023, 06:28:27 PM

It is something same as the fixed match. Why to spend on something that is being already planned and the outcome is decided. I never prefer such kind of bets. Even to watch those matches were I feel bad, because over exaggeration takes place. In no time results change.

In the past we had the SmackDown and Raw, now the same is happening in the name of different names. I'm not sure whether all these are same or different. However the importance of have got over the real fight is nil.

if you know that it is only scripted, the thrill on betting is the fact that the audience doesn't know the outcome of the match. but we don't know if the people behind it are taking advantage of knowing what the results are. they can easily relay it to one of their friends or colleagues so they can place a bet. who knows right?

Adding to what n0nce said, football is not scripted, but fixed match exists in football. What more is expected of a scripted game assuring players and audiences that they won't leak the outcome of the game. It's not possible, if gambling shifts to WWE and yields a plethora of high roller players they won't have any option other than revealing the hidden results to top stakers for more profits. Using Soccer as an example, I can't get convinced about their promises. It's funny.

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