Would you Bet on a Fight that is Scripted? - page 2.

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Quote from: livingfree on March 09, 2023, 05:42:04 PM

It is inevitable that results might be leaked especially those that are working for them. They can't just guarantee that even if there will be FEDs involve, they just can't help if money is involved with it.

The fact that it is scripted and promising that they won't leak the result is already vague. That's an odd promise to be said as there's something that would be pursued once it's allowed.

It's easy money for them and the management will surely take advantage of it. Well, they might just go to Vegas and do the fights there. Tongue

There will always be high chances that results will eventually come out in the public, no matter how they promised to the audience that everything will not be leaked. Everyone wants to make an income of it especially for those greedy operators so it won’t be surprising at all if audience has already anticipated who’s the winner in the end. However, when it comes to betting on this type of scripted game, to be honest i don’t see it exciting anymore. Gone are the days where we think this WWE is real and not scripted, but now that we know that everything is being faked, betting on it is like useless anymore. It’s more on an entertainment actually, no need to place an actual bet.

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It's just a waste of time and money. Maybe some people might still bet on them but still, it's like you are just joking with yourself even though the odds are high. I might bet on the fight that I think is worth spending my hard-earned money on and think that I will enjoy the fight, not a script that you know who already won even though the fight still not starting.

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as a fan of WWE or world wrestling since childhood? i am truly disappointed knowing that this is scripted but since now I understand that this is a entertainment so betting in a fight that scripted will not be on my list to gamble, I want to preserve how i wanted to enjoy this games.
and besides we will never be sure about the tips , as most of those are just created for scamming and for fooling people.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 09, 2023, 11:01:04 AM

Would you bet on a fight that is scripted even with the promise that the outcome will not be leaked to the public before the match ends? What is the ethical consideration is this case? Well this is the new information regarding the WWE about to explore this new type of betting option. You can read a part of the news quoted below and make your comments.

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WWE Keen to Explore Betting on Scripted Fights as an Option
But if the states were to clear this type of betting, that would only raise integrity concerns observers believe, as the outcomes of fights would be known and the possibility of a leak – high. WWE is reportedly working with Ernst & Young, an accountancy firm, to prove that the results of such fights would not be known to the public beforehand nor that they would leak out of the organizaiton.

Ernst & Young has previously advocated for the legalization of Academy Awards betting, and worked to keep the results a secret, proving that it’s possible to know an outcome beforehand and still have a fair betting market on the activity. WWE is of a similar mind, as the Oscars are already supported as betting markets in some places in the country, so why would sportsbooks hesitate to offer WWE fights, which are a form of entertainment for the most part rather than a pure athletic contest?

No official comment has been made by WWE officials to further elaborate on the situation, but Colorado has already denied the rumors. The Colorado Division of Gaming spoke to CNBC and briefly said that it had no intention of allowing betting on WWE matches as of right now. Legalizing WWE fights as viable betting events is not a stretch, however.

https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/wwe-wants-to-launch-gambling-on-scripted-fights-in-colorado-michigan/

I could really never imagine if anyone would take betting on WWE in serious consideration. Betting on WWE could be the biggest scam. Let's say that outcome will not be leaked, okay, but I'm afraid they'll collect the data, analyze how much money is bet on X side and Y side and the game will act according to whatever result brings the most profit to casinos.
This is what I mean:
Imagine there is a fight between John Cena and Dwyane.
Totally $20 million is betted on John Cena and $100 million is betted on Dwyane.
We don't know the outcome but they know that if John Cena wins, casino will profit $80 million (not net profit) but if Dwyane wins, casinos will lose a lot. They'll also take bet odds into consideration for more profit and less outcome.
Definitely, it's a big no no!

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Quote from: Casdinyard on March 09, 2023, 03:17:14 PM

A fight scripted such as one in WWE doesn't necessarily mean a fixed match.

You are wrong, a scripted match is likely to be fixed, there would be many people that will know that the match is scripted, also many people that will script the matches.

Gambling should be what no one should know the result until the match has finally ended
What a single person knows about is still better
What two people knows can go viral in just a day

In scripted matches, there are many people that knows about it which can make us conclude that scripted matches are fixed matches.

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i used to watch this show a lot back then but don't watch it anymore because i know it was a scripted fight and it was set up, i think people know that so no one wants to gamble on this fight, well even though it was there it was just for fun, I don't think this type of bet seems popular in a lot of casinos either and I don't even see people betting on fights where the outcome is already decided.

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Since not all fight are scripted, what's the reason I need to place my bet on fixed match? I can still have many choices to bet on the other real matches. Fixed match will have higher chance to goes opposite even majority of people think there's no way for the favorited player or team will lose. If you want to bet on fixed match, make sure you're bet not for serious, but you're fan of the player or team.

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I am certainly not going to bet in any scripted fight. As long as it is scripted, it might be compromised. One of the executives or any top officials that knew about the winning team may want to bet on it through someone else.
Regardless of the promise that no one else will know about who is going to win, it will be so hard to trust such promise when it comes to gambling. Not only from the top officials, the fighters them selves may be the once to compromise the game.
I will not and also advice nobody to engage in such high risk.

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Before, I enjoyed watching WWE. After knowing that the WWE is a fixed-match entertainment, I stopped watching it. Scripted fights don't have a thrill; even watching them now for too long is hard. Betting on it would not excite me at all. So honestly, I would not gamble on this kind of fight.

Surely some people would excite by this kind of betting. I hope they can manage to ensure that the match's outcome will not be leaked.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 09, 2023, 11:01:04 AM

Would you bet on a fight that is scripted even with the promise that the outcome will not be leaked to the public before the match ends? What is the ethical consideration is this case? Well this is the new information regarding the WWE about to explore this new type of betting option. You can read a part of the news quoted below and make your comments.

Why not, but if the risk is that our account becomes known as a limit or banned because we often bet on matches that fall into the fixed match category, then I will choose not to.
I don't think that WWE is a sports organization so what they hold falls into that category, WWE is just a fake match, it's almost the same as an exhibition match in my opinion so if there is a punther who can consistently win at this bet then his account could be in trouble someday.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 09, 2023, 11:01:04 AM

Would you bet on a fight that is scripted even with the promise that the outcome will not be leaked to the public before the match ends? What is the ethical consideration is this case?

Betting on a scripted fight like WWE is the most craziest thing to do for a gambler IMO lol.
There is no guarantee that there is no leak that is going to happen. In fact they can always manipulate the outcome and possibly work with the bookies.
WWE is exploring new ways of earning more moneys, to cut the story short. No offense to the WWE fans though, but I think it's better to just remain at the "entertainment" level and avoid things that would complicate the show.

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I might try betting on scripted games like WWE. I think we can't tell who would win if the fighters or wrestlers are evenly match based on their match before. We know that there are giants in WWE and they are more likely to win if 1 on 1 against other wrestlers that are not giant or very tall and big like big show. Scripted games is not reall good but I prefer the game that is not scripted like basketball and other sports.

yep that's right.
because in a friendly match it is very vulnerable to manipulation in the match. because many bookies are there and each bookies usually communicates to talk about win win solutions. I mean sometimes in friendly matches like WWE there are several bookies there and they talk to each other about the advantages of losing to one of the opponents. so I also don't like this type of match and prefer more real MMA bets.
even though in sports betting matches sometimes there is manipulation, but in WWE it's easier to manipulate and it happens often.

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Seriously ask, which sports bookie do include WWE matches? I don't see any crypto casino have WWE event, it's only MMA and it's a real fight, not scripted.

There's also a friendly match or exhibition match where the purpose is for entertainment and many people think the match was already scripted too. I don't comfortable to bet on exhibition or friendly match because the match can end in unexpected result.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 09, 2023, 11:01:04 AM

Would you bet on a fight that is scripted even with the promise that the outcome will not be leaked to the public before the match ends? What is the ethical consideration is this case? Well this is the new information regarding the WWE about to explore this new type of betting option. You can read a part of the news quoted below and make your comments.

I am not even a fool to bet in scripted game so what more in trusting them about not having a leakages ? though Wrestling is indeed scripted but I'm not sure if i can trust anyone that will tell me this is to win and this is to lose.
also the essence of entertainment will be gone and this will become a pure gambling that will surely end the career of all wrestlers in the world in future.

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WWE is obviously scripted and to put money on it, I don't see how can I be interested or attracted to it in the first place.

On their official website, the results are already there prior to the main event e.g Royal Rumble, Wrestle Mania, etc.

I can't believe there's a gambling market for that scripted event. I don't want to risk my money for an obvious show.

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I doubt if that can be seen as real gambling in any ways. What if my bet was correct on the right person that was supposed to win the fight, but due to it being scripted, the supposed winner then allowed his opponent to win just because it was scripted? Although it's still gambling, because some who will gamble on it may not know who will win. In that kind of bet, the winning will be biased, so I would better not bet on scripted wrestling like in the WWE.

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Scripted and bettings are two words apart you can't combine these two words, we hate the word scripted when we are betting and we accuse casinos of cheating if they allow the fight to be scripted, so how will you connect these two
when money is already involved, you're just allowing WWE to cheat you and you can not blame them because it's fixed, all I know is wrestling format has two scripts to play on and it depends on the fans' reaction to what storyline they will play on.

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Definitely no regardless of whether the source is legit or not. It's just that, I don't want to patronize betting on the scripted match as there are lots of "what if" there. Aside from that, I don't want to add more risk to my gambling activity by relying on those scripts.

I will continue my usual way of betting and depend on my own analysis instead of betting on a supposed sure win.

Specifically to WWE, I won't a risk every single bucks on it for an obvious reason that everything here is just for entertainment.

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Quote from: n0ne on March 09, 2023, 06:28:27 PM

It is something same as the fixed match. Why to spend on something that is being already planned and the outcome is decided. I never prefer such kind of bets. Even to watch those matches were I feel bad, because over exaggeration takes place. In no time results change.

In the past we had the SmackDown and Raw, now the same is happening in the name of different names. I'm not sure whether all these are same or different. However the importance of have got over the real fight is nil.

if you know that it is only scripted, the thrill on betting is the fact that the audience doesn't know the outcome of the match. but we don't know if the people behind it are taking advantage of knowing what the results are. they can easily relay it to one of their friends or colleagues so they can place a bet. who knows right?
this kind of fight, won't place a bet. will just enjoy watching it. for me, they can easily rig the event even at the last minute if they know there's a large money at stake.

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It is something same as the fixed match. Why to spend on something that is being already planned and the outcome is decided. I never prefer such kind of bets. Even to watch those matches were I feel bad, because over exaggeration takes place. In no time results change.

In the past we had the SmackDown and Raw, now the same is happening in the name of different names. I'm not sure whether all these are same or different. However the importance of have got over the real fight is nil.

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