Topic: Would You Use a Bitcoin Debit Card? (Read 2431 times)

Quote from: Hazir on April 10, 2015, 09:14:52 PM

the idea is cool but, no i would not use it because

fees too high

no verification limit too low

no anon with amount above 500

and i don't know how fast are money transferred from my account to debit card, they can be used istantly?

Fees are not that high in my opinion for some cards, others have very high fees. Hopefully they can be reduced even further one day!

Verification is compulsory according to AML and KYC laws and regulations, however be assured that all data is safe with companies like https://bit-x.com,

Once you pay for something using Bit-X's Debit MasterCard™ for example, the BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Bit-X card has very high and unreasonable fees, same with ANXpro. Xapo's is the most competitive card by far.

How does ANXPRO's Debit Card have very high and unreasonable fees?

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I am not using normal debit card at all why should I use bitcoin version of it? I don't like credit or debit cards in general it does not matter if it is bank card or bitcoins card. I will be using standard paper money, and in the future when it will become reality and bitcoin will be widely accepted everywhere a direct bitcoin transfer from my wallet.

In an ideal situation, we would be able to use bitcoin cards and actually have no bitcoin/fiat conversions, there cards may come in handy to some, but in the end theres that
middle man again, and with him comes the fee, and that is why i dont like it.
When u have situation that you have bitcoin wallet, and merchant is accepting bitcoins, then u have advancement, all this with debit cards is the same trick from the past,
which brings little new offers to the table.

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I am not using normal debit card at all why should I use bitcoin version of it? I don't like credit or debit cards in general it does not matter if it is bank card or bitcoins card. I will be using standard paper money, and in the future when it will become reality and bitcoin will be widely accepted everywhere a direct bitcoin transfer from my wallet.

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I can say that the Bit-x Mastercard has huge ass fees. I wouldn't use the card despite non verification means that I can still spend 750. The monthly fee (waived for first 10k) is still too high and withdrawal from atms for 10 bucks is also too much. If Bit-x could lower their fees, it might be a much more valuable asset to have.

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I definetly need something similar to bitcoin debit card, and i was pretty enthusiastic about the idea, but after recent
experience with somewhat similar skrill mastercard, i am not so impressed.
The thing is, that if you must make currency conversion when ure making a withdraw @ atm machine, u are going to loose alot of money to fee's.
For example, i am in EU, and after making withdraw of about 200$, my account was charged 220$+, and most of it is not card provider's fault, its the
conversion rate that kills you.

Some people said they can make ATM withdrawals in multiple currencies, sadly, i have found no such option here.
The concept is quite amazing, but theres that middle man again, making his claims.

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Quote from: swapman on April 10, 2015, 03:20:22 PM

the idea is cool but, no i would not use it because

fees too high

no verification limit too low

no anon with amount above 500

and i don't know how fast are money transferred from my account to debit card, they can be used istantly?

Fees are not that high in my opinion for some cards, others have very high fees. Hopefully they can be reduced even further one day!

Verification is compulsory according to AML and KYC laws and regulations, however be assured that all data is safe with companies like https://bit-x.com,

Once you pay for something using Bit-X's Debit MasterCard™ for example, the BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Bit-X card has very high and unreasonable fees, same with ANXpro. Xapo's is the most competitive card by far.

With cards not arriving within 4 months and numerous user issues and public relation issues? Great card service..

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Quote from: marcotheminer on April 10, 2015, 11:11:05 AM

the idea is cool but, no i would not use it because

fees too high

no verification limit too low

no anon with amount above 500

and i don't know how fast are money transferred from my account to debit card, they can be used istantly?

Fees are not that high in my opinion for some cards, others have very high fees. Hopefully they can be reduced even further one day!

Verification is compulsory according to AML and KYC laws and regulations, however be assured that all data is safe with companies like https://bit-x.com,

Once you pay for something using Bit-X's Debit MasterCard™ for example, the BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Bit-X card has very high and unreasonable fees, same with ANXpro. Xapo's is the most competitive card by far.

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yes maybe, because in here only few store that accept btc as payment.
so I would use bitcoin debit card...

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verification method is much difficult to get Bitcoin Debit Card because some people don't want to share their documents with 3rd party so make it simple and accessable for every person without miner verification.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on April 10, 2015, 09:01:26 AM

Quote from: Tarantino on April 10, 2015, 08:55:53 AM

Why don't you try find someone one a country that will receive them for you and reship them on?

I hear where you're coming from, but it's bad enough I have to give all my personal info to Bit-X just to sign up for the card. Now I have provide additional info to a complete stranger in another country?!!! Huh

No offense to any of you overseas, I Love all my fellow Bitcoiners across the globe. One of the main points I got into Bitcoin was the complete anonymity it provides, and providing my personal info and phone number to a centralized exchange, and my shipping address to a complete stranger totally go against that.

No thanks.

This is where the aspect of trust will have to play a major role. If you don't like sending over verification documents to use a service then don't use the service. Most people don't mind as they trust the exchange.

You don't have to provide your shipping address to a complete stranger!

Yea I know, I was referring to Tarantino's suggestion to get someone overseas ship the debit card to me, which require me providing a valid shipping address to a person I would have to somehow "trust".

Unfortunately, I don't know too many people around the world outside of my country the USA, that I'd just give my home or work shipping address randomly.

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Quote from: Cruxer on April 10, 2015, 08:51:51 AM

I would not, debit cards are passe... Smartphone is only tool that almost everyone have to use bitcoin everywhere around world

Yet 99% of merchants have never heard of and won't accept bitcoin in the near future.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on April 10, 2015, 09:01:26 AM

Quote from: Tarantino on April 10, 2015, 08:55:53 AM

Why don't you try find someone one a country that will receive them for you and reship them on?

I hear where you're coming from, but it's bad enough I have to give all my personal info to Bit-X just to sign up for the card. Now I have provide additional info to a complete stranger in another country?!!! Huh

No offense to any of you overseas, I Love all my fellow Bitcoiners across the globe. One of the main points I got into Bitcoin was the complete anonymity it provides, and providing my personal info and phone number to a centralized exchange, and my shipping address to a complete stranger totally go against that.

No thanks.

This is where the aspect of trust will have to play a major role. If you don't like sending over verification documents to use a service then don't use the service. Most people don't mind as they trust the exchange.

You don't have to provide your shipping address to a complete stranger!

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Quote from: Tarantino on April 10, 2015, 08:55:53 AM

Why don't you try find someone one a country that will receive them for you and reship them on?

I hear where you're coming from, but it's bad enough I have to give all my personal info to Bit-X just to sign up for the card. Now I have provide additional info to a complete stranger in another country?!!! Huh

No offense to any of you overseas, I Love all my fellow Bitcoiners across the globe. One of the main points I got into Bitcoin was the complete anonymity it provides, and providing my personal info and phone number to a centralized exchange, and my shipping address to a complete stranger totally go against that.

No thanks.

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Quote from: Cruxer on April 10, 2015, 08:51:51 AM

I would not, debit cards are passe... Smartphone is only tool that almost everyone have to use bitcoin everywhere around world

But most places don't accept payment from a smartphone. At least not in my country (though this might change in the future).

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 10, 2015, 08:47:11 AM

I was Really Happy When BIT-x announced that They are going to release A Debit Card, But when It release the thing is that they Dont Allow send Card to my country, Then I went for a advcash the Same thing with them also they also Dont alow member from my Country, Now Im looking for Anx card and Send a message to OP if they can send a Card to my country. I will not apply for XAPO card, I think Its not a Good Site.

That's the boat I'm in as well. None of the Bitcoin debit cards ship to the continental US, so I'm pretty much screwed.

Sucks for one's willing to be guinea pigs. OH well, as soon as the regulatory framework finally gets established, there'll be a ton of these cards on the market....

Why don't you try find someone one a country that will receive them for you and reship them on?

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Quote from: Cruxer on April 10, 2015, 08:51:51 AM

I would not, debit cards are passe... Smartphone is only tool that almost everyone have to use bitcoin everywhere around world

+1

Bitcoin debit card is a vague concept just like bitcoin ATM. These are unnecessary and has no real world utility. Bitcoin online wallet serves well the purpose of debit cards.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 10, 2015, 08:47:11 AM

I was Really Happy When BIT-x announced that They are going to release A Debit Card, But when It release the thing is that they Dont Allow send Card to my country, Then I went for a advcash the Same thing with them also they also Dont alow member from my Country, Now Im looking for Anx card and Send a message to OP if they can send a Card to my country. I will not apply for XAPO card, I think Its not a Good Site.

That's the boat I'm in as well. None of the Bitcoin debit cards ship to the continental US, so I'm pretty much screwed.

Sucks for one's willing to be guinea pigs. OH well, as soon as the regulatory framework finally gets established, there'll be a ton of these cards on the market....

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I would not, debit cards are passe... Smartphone is only tool that almost everyone have to use bitcoin everywhere around world

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I was Really Happy When BIT-x announced that They are going to release A Debit Card, But when It release the thing is that they Dont Allow send Card to my country, Then I went for a advcash the Same thing with them also they also Dont alow member from my Country, Now Im looking for Anx card and Send a message to OP if they can send a Card to my country. I will not apply for XAPO card, I think Its not a Good Site.

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Quote from: Oscilson on April 10, 2015, 05:30:58 AM

The fee is the main issue here. When it is reduced to below visa or master, I will use it.

That'll only ever happen if the business wants to give away free coins and/or go out of business.

Visa/MasterCard will charge fees as would be expected and usually the business providing the card will too.

Of course, fees can be lowered by certain amounts!

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Quote from: Slunt on April 10, 2015, 08:30:17 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 10, 2015, 04:46:14 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 09, 2015, 05:40:13 AM

Like other have said it would all depend on the fees. High fees kind of make it pointless really and not worth the fuss of it all.

Debit: Funds are taken from your wallet on the site offering the card. No need to fund it manually. Once you pay for something, BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Prepaid: Funds must be loaded by the user manually. Funds are converted once loaded so you may lose money due to the volatile exchange rate.

But with a debit version you have to keep your coins on a third party site and we all know that's a bad idea especially long term. If the site gets hacked or disappears then you can say buy to all your coins too.

That was a major issue a year or so ago, less now with the rise of licensed exchanges like https://Bit-X.com.

I don't think being licensed makes them immune from thefts or scamming users themselves (you can always have rogue employees too). Where is the exchange licensed?

I'll direct you to their official thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bit-xcom-exchange-btc-ltc-usd-eur-gbp-rub-bitcoin-debit-card-874312

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Quote from: marcotheminer on April 10, 2015, 04:46:14 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 09, 2015, 05:40:13 AM

Like other have said it would all depend on the fees. High fees kind of make it pointless really and not worth the fuss of it all.

Debit: Funds are taken from your wallet on the site offering the card. No need to fund it manually. Once you pay for something, BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Prepaid: Funds must be loaded by the user manually. Funds are converted once loaded so you may lose money due to the volatile exchange rate.

But with a debit version you have to keep your coins on a third party site and we all know that's a bad idea especially long term. If the site gets hacked or disappears then you can say buy to all your coins too.

That was a major issue a year or so ago, less now with the rise of licensed exchanges like https://Bit-X.com.

I don't think being licensed makes them immune from thefts or scamming users themselves (you can always have rogue employees too). Where is the exchange licensed?

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I doht have enough bitcoin that will make having a devit card for it worth it. Ill loose all the money lol.

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The fee is the main issue here. When it is reduced to below visa or master, I will use it.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on April 09, 2015, 05:40:13 AM

Like other have said it would all depend on the fees. High fees kind of make it pointless really and not worth the fuss of it all.

Debit: Funds are taken from your wallet on the site offering the card. No need to fund it manually. Once you pay for something, BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Prepaid: Funds must be loaded by the user manually. Funds are converted once loaded so you may lose money due to the volatile exchange rate.

But with a debit version you have to keep your coins on a third party site and we all know that's a bad idea especially long term. If the site gets hacked or disappears then you can say buy to all your coins too.

Since it called a "debit card", so you could fund the card with the coins when you need to use this card, There’s no need to keep fund in this third party site. Just fund it when you need.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on April 09, 2015, 05:40:13 AM

Like other have said it would all depend on the fees. High fees kind of make it pointless really and not worth the fuss of it all.

Debit: Funds are taken from your wallet on the site offering the card. No need to fund it manually. Once you pay for something, BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Prepaid: Funds must be loaded by the user manually. Funds are converted once loaded so you may lose money due to the volatile exchange rate.

But with a debit version you have to keep your coins on a third party site and we all know that's a bad idea especially long term. If the site gets hacked or disappears then you can say buy to all your coins too.

That was a major issue a year or so ago, less now with the rise of licensed exchanges like https://Bit-X.com.

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Like other have said it would all depend on the fees. High fees kind of make it pointless really and not worth the fuss of it all.

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 09, 2015, 05:40:13 AM

Debit: Funds are taken from your wallet on the site offering the card. No need to fund it manually. Once you pay for something, BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

Prepaid: Funds must be loaded by the user manually. Funds are converted once loaded so you may lose money due to the volatile exchange rate.

But with a debit version you have to keep your coins on a third party site and we all know that's a bad idea especially long term. If the site gets hacked or disappears then you can say buy to all your coins too.

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Possibly, especially if they were low or no fee.

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we its a debit card some fees are aplied but in general i might use it just the fact its not to promoted i cant use it in my country

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It depends really about the cost of the card and its availability in my country.
Right now, we have just 1 BTC ATM in my country, and still very few merchants accept Bitcoin, so these are not sufficient reasons to get started with BTC card now.
If more merchants accept BTC in the future and we get more BTC ATM here, in this case I will be interesting to have my own Bitcoin Debit Card.

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I would actually love a bitcoin debit card but only if the fees were not excessive and sadly all I've seen are. I don't mind paying a small fee everytime I use it but I don't want all the extra costs of a monthly fee or re-activation fee when I don't use it for a month etc etc. It would be nice to have one as a back up to be able to spend my coins if and when needed but they're not really feasible for me how they operate currently.

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Of course I would, if it makes my life easier.

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I'd prefer to use a cash deposit from an exchange to a bank account, then use the debit card linked to that account, but it's always nice to have an alternative in case that method isn't available for whatever reason like a secondary emergency backup or something along those lines.

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bitcoin debit cards charges significantly higher fees than ordinary anonymous debit card. Sure, they may be convenient to use but it's a loss to pay such high fees.

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Quote from: Alley on April 09, 2015, 10:13:05 AM

Not unless 0 fees and 1% discount like my visa.

0 fees that would be impossible, How will Bit-X make profit? I won't get myself any of those card due to high fees if they decrease there fees i would consider getting one.

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Not unless 0 fees and 1% discount like my visa.

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The fee is a little high, if the fee can be low, I may consider it.
It's a cool thing to use a card.

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Quote from: Amph on April 09, 2015, 08:42:41 AM

Quote from: R2D221 on April 09, 2015, 08:04:10 AM

The only real Bitcoin debit card is Coinkite. All of the others mentioned here are just fiat debit cards that happen to exchange from a Bitcoin account when used. You're still paying in dollars.

isn't this just an online wallet?

They also provide both a debit card and a POS terminal: https://coinkite.com/store/products/all

Please note that I've never used them. I don't know how trustworthy they are.

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I would right now, if I would have an amount of Bitcoin that matters - which I don't.
In my country the only good exchange FROM Bitcoin was shut down a few months ago.

I'll be honest, I didn't check what are the fees; if the fees are big indeed I would also look for alternatives.
But yeah, right now I don't need all this. I have to get bitcoin first.

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I do actually like the idea and it would make it easier to cash out quick if needed, also it would start to give you reason to put more fiat into Bitcoin knowing that you can get it back instantly if needed pay bills etc a nice step closer to ideal.

Have not checked the fee's yet that could be a put off but hopefully they are not to extreme. Thanks op i will look into this further hopefully they can ship to me in the UK.

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I would use a Bitcoin Debit Card like a Xapo or a Bit-X one, but unfortunately I don't think they ship to the good ole USA.

If they did, I'd put away my bank card for awhile and use it in a heartbeat...

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Quote from: R2D221 on April 09, 2015, 08:04:10 AM

The only real Bitcoin debit card is Coinkite. All of the others mentioned here are just fiat debit cards that happen to exchange from a Bitcoin account when used. You're still paying in dollars.

isn't this just an online wallet? better to use blockcahin.info instead, the point of converting in fiat is that many people still are not so accustomed to bitcoin, and there are many service that accept bitcoin yet

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Quote from: R2D221 on April 09, 2015, 08:04:10 AM

The only real Bitcoin debit card is Coinkite. All of the others mentioned here are just fiat debit cards that happen to exchange from a Bitcoin account when used. You're still paying in dollars.

Yeah, but it's bridging a gap. Maybe people like to hold their money in BTC... Maybe they feel safer doing so (political reasons!? economical reasons!?) I think it's important to just go and try it out. Let's see what happens.

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I would definitely use a BTC debit card. In my country, the actual places where you can spend BTC are very rare and using this card is the only way to spend without going through banks and converting into fiat. I am contemplating of ordering one of these soon.

On the other hand, fees are the major issue, especially that inactivity fee. What is that, the issue wants to make me spend my own money even if I do not need anything? I think that one needs to be removed ASAP.
Regarding verification, I have no problem with that. Only people who have something to hide or deal with some illegal activities are afraid of that.

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The only real Bitcoin debit card is Coinkite. All of the others mentioned here are just fiat debit cards that happen to exchange from a Bitcoin account when used. You're still paying in dollars.

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I just wanted to go and say "hey, my signature campaign is currently offering one" and then I saw that it's actually you - the person running that very campaign Cheesy

I find the idea interesting, I don't like paying FIAT amounts with BTC when BTC is this volatile (and low), though :/

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Quote from: cakir on April 09, 2015, 06:23:12 AM

I don't use any kinda debit card issued by (especially*) mastercard or visa.
We're using bitcoin because of decentralization and those cards are kicking us back to central banks. What's the point that card? I'm not dependant only bitcoin. Of course I'm using my local currency, and I'm gonna use it (till bitcoin is accepted widely).

especially mastercard: As we know mastercard ceo's speech about bitcoin ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO4jHXjCXw8 ) . One day they can say something like that: "hey dudes I 've decided to terminate all bitcoin related service usages, If you got paid via an Exchange etc those money will not be transferred to you".

The ability to spend (actually use) one's Crypto balance is something the needs to be available. At this moment in time, many companies do not accept BTC/LTC, thus having a stepping stone to full crypto acceptance in the form of a Bitcoin MasterCard is key.

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Quote from: Amph on April 09, 2015, 06:48:05 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 09, 2015, 06:28:41 AM

the idea is cool but, no i would not use it because

fees too high

no verification limit too low

no anon with amount above 500

and i don't know how fast are money transferred from my account to debit card, they can be used istantly?

Fees are not that high in my opinion for some cards, others have very high fees. Hopefully they can be reduced even further one day!

Verification is compulsory according to AML and KYC laws and regulations, however be assured that all data is safe with companies like https://bit-x.com,

Once you pay for something using Bit-X's Debit MasterCard™ for example, the BTC is exchanged instantly at the time of payment, not before or after (you won't lose money due to the volatile exchange rate).

the problem is not they are not that high(well some yes are high) but there are too many type of fee, like inactive monthly fee, really? some of them seems unnecessary, just added to suck money

also for all member that carry signature, are issuance and activation fee, removed? do i need to activated anyway my card?

Issuance fee is free for campaign members.

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Quote from: Jeremycoin on April 09, 2015, 06:24:27 AM

I would, but the card is too expensive for me. Grin

all of my BTCitcoin isn't enough to buy it, yet.

Then enter the giveaway! https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/winners-announced-giveaway-bit-x-bitcoin-debit-card-1018534

~~Sure, I will enter it. Thx BTW~~
But wait, no..... my country is excluded Cry

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