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Topic: wow ,almost 30,000 unconfirmed trans (Read 13752 times)

legendary
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December 01, 2016, 08:07:15 PM
yep, same here.

http://statoshi.info/dashboard/db/memory-pool






65 000 tx in mempool now.
legendary
Activity: 2674
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Terminated.
December 01, 2016, 03:09:54 PM
Bitsquare wallet attack (more than 5 connexions per IP with differents ports) and Mempool rise ...


Just wait for r/btc folk to jump with theories of real world usage with sudden exponential growth during random times of the week. Roll Eyes



This picture represents mempool TX count.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1011
December 01, 2016, 03:07:46 PM
Bitsquare wallet attack (more than 5 connexions per IP with differents ports) and Mempool rise ...



https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
November 30, 2016, 11:27:13 AM
What?! us these all true? I cant believe this. What happened to the people looking or in charge for this? Are they tired or maybe they are too much busy?

Well, i dont know if i would believe this. Do you have proof about this? Then if you have, thats the that i would believe. Because i know, people behind this dont let users or people to think bad for them. Because this is not just a minor problem.  Angry

It's not really that bad or even unexpected. Bitcoin is "private money" with no formal control structure. Innovation springs from the removal of restrictions. Many major businesses (Google, Apple etc.) have benefited from removing the normal strictures of corporate control and putting pool tables, video games and bean bags in common areas to allow their employees to just "play" if they want to. It allows a freedom of thought that fosters innovation.

The downside to that freedom is a loss of control. Bitcoin benefits from that same freedom. No one is in charge. Developers (people normally controlled by the company), for the most part, keep Bitcoin headed in a single beneficial direction. But, without a boss/company/government controlling them they can and do have very different directions in mind that splinter the focus (segwit, classic, bla bla). That is the biggest reason Bitcoin is stagnating and splintering in development but it's also the reason Bitcoin exists. The lack of strict structure and control is a double edged sword.
legendary
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November 30, 2016, 06:26:04 AM
So what's your point really?

You misunderstood what I was saying about the rate of change required to support onchain transaction increases, with our conversation that average recent actual blocksize directly contradicts your assertion that Chinese miners were at that time artificially sabotaging the system by choking transaction inclusion.

So how does that support your claim that everything will be tip-top in the future, when huge block sizes will be possible thanks to the expansion in network bandwidth, storage capacities, processing power, etc?

Well, it obviously will not be, if we do not allow it. I'd like to at least remove the artificial barriers that currently prevent this. Why is that so hard to understand?

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While minor problems, which don't even require the tiniest part of the future technological improvements, still cannot be solved for longer than a year, today?

This is not a technological problem, but rather a self-imposed management problem.

It doesn't matter. Without resolving current issues first, it doesn't make any sense to talk about future requirements and necessary technological advances to meet these requirements. It is not even so much about these issues as such as the lack of any real attempts at coming to a solution. Or, at least, to an agreement about how to resolve them in a constructive way. It is like dreaming about wedding when you have just been walked out on...

You have to deal with reality and harsh facts, and not get lost in wishful thinking and pipe-dreaming

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And while we are at it, it is still not proven that this transaction jam was not deliberately caused by miners themselves

I struggle with trying to discern any relevance to this.

So why have you been constantly referring to that in your own posts if you don't see any relevance yourself?
legendary
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November 30, 2016, 01:24:28 AM
So what's your point really?

You misunderstood what I was saying about the rate of change required to support onchain transaction increases, with our conversation that average recent actual blocksize directly contradicts your assertion that Chinese miners were at that time artificially sabotaging the system by choking transaction inclusion.

So how does that support your claim that everything will be tip-top in the future, when huge block sizes will be possible thanks to the expansion in network bandwidth, storage capacities, processing power, etc?

Well, it obviously will not be, if we do not allow it. I'd like to at least remove the artificial barriers that currently prevent this. Why is that so hard to understand?

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While minor problems, which don't even require the tiniest part of the future technological improvements, still cannot be solved for longer than a year, today?

This is not a technological problem, but rather a self-imposed management problem.

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And while we are at it, it is still not proven that this transaction jam was not deliberately caused by miners themselves

I struggle with trying to discern any relevance to this.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
November 28, 2016, 07:40:41 PM
There is a Chinese pool operator who wanted to bet Greg maxwell 1000 btc yesterday that segwit will not even reach 51% and Greg refused the bet.....
I have never heard of that person before. He's related to some LTC pool, but besides that I have no idea "what pool" he operated in Bitcoin. Maxwell's decision to refuse such a stupid bet shows rational thinking. Accepting such a bet gives people added monetary incentive to fight against Segwit.

Blocking Segwit and calling for on-chain scaling makes you somewhat of a hypocrite FYI.


If you bothered to read the LN Network Paper, it states that OnChain BlockSize will have to be Increased.  Tongue
Reference: https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf

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10    Block Size Increases and Consensus
If we presume that a decentralized payment network exists and one user will
make  3  blockchain  transactions  per  year  on  average,  Bitcoin  will  be  able
to  support  over  35  million  users  with  1MB  blocks  in  ideal  circumstances

(assuming 2000 transactions/MB, or 500 bytes/Tx).

This is quite limited, and an increase of the block size may be necessary to support everyone in the world using Bitcoin.
A simple increase of the block size would be a hard fork,  meaning  all  nodes  will  need  to  update  their  wallets  if  they  wish  to
participate in the network with the larger blocks.

While it may appear as though this system will mitigate the block size increases in the short term,
if it achieves global scale, it will necessitate a block size increase in the long term.


 Cool

FYI:
1 Business may make hundreds of transactions per day , and they calculate someone only making 3 transactions per year.  Tongue
If that does not prove Core is up to some shenanigans with SegWit , then you are not paying attention.  Cheesy
legendary
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November 28, 2016, 02:58:59 PM
So what's your point really?

You misunderstood what I was saying about the rate of change required to support onchain transaction increases, with our conversation that average recent actual blocksize directly contradicts your assertion that Chinese miners were at that time artificially sabotaging the system by choking transaction inclusion.

So how does that support your claim that everything will be tip-top in the future, when huge block sizes will be possible thanks to the expansion in network bandwidth, storage capacities, processing power, etc? While minor problems, which don't even require the tiniest part of the future technological improvements, still cannot be solved for longer than a year, today? Previous congestion of the scale we saw recently happened in the summer of 2015...

And while we are at it, it is still not proven that this transaction jam was not deliberately caused by miners themselves
legendary
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November 28, 2016, 02:15:13 PM
There is a Chinese pool operator who wanted to bet Greg maxwell 1000 btc yesterday that segwit will not even reach 51% and Greg refused the bet.....
I have never heard of that person before. He's related to some LTC pool, but besides that I have no idea "what pool" he operated in Bitcoin. Maxwell's decision to refuse such a stupid bet shows rational thinking. Accepting such a bet gives people added monetary incentive to fight against Segwit.

Blocking Segwit and calling for on-chain scaling makes you somewhat of a hypocrite FYI.
legendary
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1000
Si vis pacem, para bellum
November 28, 2016, 01:44:32 PM
I get the feeling segwit will not activate

There is a Chinese pool operator who wanted to bet Greg maxwell 1000 btc yesterday that segwit will not even reach 51% and Greg refused the bet.....

https://m.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5f07m2/gambling_of_1000_bitcoin_segwit_soft_fork_wont/

legendary
Activity: 3024
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November 28, 2016, 12:38:46 PM
So what's your point really?

You misunderstood what I was saying about the rate of change required to support onchain transaction increases, with our conversation that average recent actual blocksize directly contradicts your assertion that Chinese miners were at that time artificially sabotaging the system by choking transaction inclusion.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
November 28, 2016, 11:08:02 AM
The fact is the unconfirmed transactions just prove Bitcoin is not ready for prime time. That's why it's still in beta after all these years. I suspect the same group of devs are working on Bitcoin that are working on the new forum. They will probably be released from beta at the same time. LOL
i didnt know that the core software is still in beta phase and i have found no details regarding that even while searching,i thought unconfirmed transactions are present because there is an attack on the network or the miners are avoiding low fees to pass through

Yes, it is still listed in Github as in beta. I actually have to give them props for that. They know it's not ready and they list it as such. Gavin Andresen, wherever he is, has said over and over again,  "Bitcoin is an experiment and you shouldn’t invest your life’s savings. You should use it at your own risk.”

Another famous quote from Andresen, "The currency’s value is built almost entirely on speculation, so any indication that the system is less than bulletproof can cause a major price shock".

I am a Bitcoin user. I've mined more Bitcoin in the beginning than most of you will probably ever own. I come off as "Debbie Downer" all the time because I tell the truth. I want people to see what Bitcoin is right now, not what it has the potential to be 40 years from now. I've had lots of friends on this forum and personally that lost lots of money using Bitcoin. It's easy to say "it's not bitcoins fault Mark Karpeles was a crook". While that's technically true, it's also true that he was the only exchange in town for a long time. Bitcoin gave him the opportunity to steal from all of us. While computer security is the individuals fault, Bitcoin having no big bank fraud protections and being used from insecure computers allows stupid people to be ripped off (not that I considered Allinvain stupid).

I just want everyone to know what they're dealing with and accept the risk. That way when you lose your money and go running to mommy government to fix it I can laugh at you. LOL
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
November 28, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
maybe it is because of the low minor fee that the people are being able to give .or the miners have being able to solve the issue t all .or it would be difficult for others .kudoos Smiley
legendary
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November 28, 2016, 05:50:32 AM
I am pointing out that the argument against increasing the blocksize directly by changing the maxblocksize parameter, solely because today, technology dies not accommodate Visa scale upon a decentralized blockchain, is absurd. That is what the fuck I am talking about

You still don't get it

I'm not talking about setting that maxblocksize parameter to 100Gb right now, I'm not even talking about it as such. I just show that you are pretty much disconnected from reality. At first, you start saying that there are serious issues at hand and eagerly try to prove your point. I can understand that. Then you jump into the far future and start claiming that everything will be tip-top even if the block size gets increased to 100Gb. But what about current issues after all, why they are still bugging us, today, not in the distant future?

Well, you are the person who initially tied my conversation with Carlton Banks into my conversation with you. You misunderstood what I was saying about the rate of change required to support onchain transaction increases, with our conversation that average recent actual blocksize directly contradicts your assertion that Chinese miners were at that time artificially sabotaging the system by choking transaction inclusion.

To begin with, it was not your conversation with Carlton Banks since it was not you (nor was it Carlton Banks) who started this topic on increasing block size to increase the transaction rates. You joined this discussion in pretty much the same way as I did, and in fact, you did it after me, so there is hardly any reason to make it look as if I intervened in your conversation with Carlton Banks. Further, my assumption of the Chinese miners artificially ignoring transactions is in no way relevant to this discussion, nor has it been proven wrong itself (just in case)...

So what's your point really?
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
November 27, 2016, 11:20:46 PM
This might just mean a lot more people are using bitcoins and creating transactions, which is a good sign. More people are adopting bitcoin and using it in transactions. Yeah, it's a problem right now, but it's a good problem to have.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
November 27, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Small Snip-bit of CB,
broken record.  Cheesy

Your trolling is a well known fact. It's not ad hom, when it's the truth.
I've quoted your false reporting of my words already, trolling deeper now isn't going to work.
Kano, your trolling is terrible. You're a disgrace to the technical community for posting this claim.
kiklo is currently trolling Bitcoin every chance there is
Your behaviour only ever has the effect of multiplying the efforts of the trolls that spend all-day every-day trying to ram this nonsense down our throats.
Media needs to troll harder, lol


 Cool

FYI:
CB sees Trolls Everywhere, thinks it normal.   Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3024
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November 27, 2016, 08:32:44 PM
i didnt know that the core software is still in beta phase

0.13.1

I've not seen a recent official declaration (maybe since Gavin's exit?), but FOSS conventions being what they are...
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
November 27, 2016, 07:43:28 PM
The fact is the unconfirmed transactions just prove Bitcoin is not ready for prime time. That's why it's still in beta after all these years. I suspect the same group of devs are working on Bitcoin that are working on the new forum. They will probably be released from beta at the same time. LOL
i didnt know that the core software is still in beta phase and i have found no details regarding that even while searching,i thought unconfirmed transactions are present because there is an attack on the network or the miners are avoiding low fees to pass through
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
November 27, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
Don't worry about it jbreher. All he ever does when he's losing an argument is call someone a troll. That's like the pot calling the kettle black (no racial pun intended).





The fact is the unconfirmed transactions just prove Bitcoin is not ready for prime time. That's why it's still in beta after all these years. I suspect the same group of devs are working on Bitcoin that are working on the new forum. They will probably be released from beta at the same time. LOL
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3074
November 27, 2016, 06:55:11 PM
What are you babbling about, Cton? I was merely asking you to clarify your declaration.

I've quoted your false reporting of my words already, trolling deeper now isn't going to work.

Ad hominem, followed by refusal to support, is duly noted.

Your trolling is a well known fact. It's not ad hom, when it's the truth.

And answer my question: Why did you try to pretend that I said the precise opposite of what I really said, j?
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