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Quote from: JoyMarsha on November 17, 2022, 04:17:32 PM

Since you are turning your seed phrase into lyrics of a song, don't forget that the moment you miss any letter word of the seed phrase(the way it's arranged) you have lost access to your wallet automatically.

Human beings are bound to miss a lyrics of a song when it is not played for long their hearing.

Yes.. I agree with what you just said above because turning the seed phrase of our wallet into lyrics of a song is not a bad idea, but not writing it down or documenting it elsewhere, relying only on the brain alone will be the worst thing to ever do. Turning seed phrases into lyrics of a song should be a tertiary or secondary way of storage, that can be easily remembered, while the primary method should be either by writing it on a piece of paper or metal, which can't be easily erased

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Quote from: glendall on November 17, 2022, 06:08:22 PM

I think printing it will be safer because someone's memory will definitely be obsolete and easy to forget which is consumed by time and our age.

Printing the seed phrase (or in this case, the "seed-song") is not recommended, because you introduce third parties, such as the closed-source firmware and software of the printer firm. Just write them down in a piece of paper, with a simple pencil.

Quote from: Smartvirus on November 17, 2022, 04:35:58 PM

The easiest ways to secure your seeds remains to write it down and then, you worry about ensuring what you've written down is safe.

Suggestion: use back-ups. It's more likely to have yourself locked out of your money, than to have a stranger / burglar steal it from you.

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I can never trust to save the seed as a song because human memory is prone to error and forgetting and therefore you can lose all your assets, it is better to write it on a piece of paper and keep it in a safe place in your home, there are many cases of lost accounts and wallets caused by forgetting the password composed of A word or two, so how if it is the case with a seed consisting of 12 or 24 words, the probability of forgetting will be much greater.
Also, if you intend to give the seed to your wife or son for future use after your death, then in this case you are obliged to write it down on a piece of paper.

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You know if one is really smart and dedicated this really would be the best way to go about owning and strong your bitcoin. I mean what a powerful thing that would be to have figured out how to train your brain to remember your seed phrase in a song and or as well as your private key. Sadly I’m going to just admit I don’t think I have what it takes to make this a reality, but hats off to those who do.

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Apart from writing it as song lyrics, I think printing it will be safer because someone's memory will definitely be obsolete and easy to forget which is consumed by time and our age.
anyways for seed phrases very unrelated like songs have to add the word it will make it harder for us to remember it isn't it
the point is I won't do this and will do the old-fashioned way of recording and printing it and then saving it and that's it

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on November 17, 2022, 04:17:32 PM

Since you are turning your seed phrase into lyrics of a song, don't forget that the moment you miss any letter word of the seed phrase(the way it's arranged) you have lost access to your wallet automatically.

Human beings are bound to miss a lyrics of a song when it is not played for long their hearing. The way they do remember it is when is being played to them once in a while. To avoid such mistakes, write the seed phrase on a piece of paper, in case any time you forget a word from the composed lyrics of your seed phrase, you go back to where it is written for a refreshed memory

The only way of doing this safely would be chronological order since the more complex you make it, the more likely you're to make mistakes or forget it. I already think it's a little bit too complex, when really you just need to assure the physical security of your seed, and you'll probably be alright in the majority of cases. There's plenty of ways to mitigate the risks of storing something like this physically, without actually making it more complex than it needs to be.

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Clearly not an option for at OP. Maybe for some but know that, these words are not something that is born out of your emotions. They would always remain something you push through for the sake of making the lyrics rhythm in some manner and that might be some ears to be forgetful.

The easiest ways to secure your seeds remains to write it down and then, you worry about ensuring what you've written down is safe. It's pretty much a hard copy you and the rest is a matter of placement, avoid destructions and ensuring privacy. That might come by some means but in all, you just do what's best for you.

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I have never thought of this but it's a good idea but this isn't advisable for those that can easily forget. You might also forget on which part of the song is your recovery words/seeds.
But the crazier part and advise that I'll never do is to memorize the entire words through my mind only. I saw someone suggested that and when you forgot it, your assets are gone forever.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on November 17, 2022, 08:52:27 AM

If i can consider the security of assets with bitcoin i don't think it's advisable to openly publish my seed phrase on the open forum like this, to me it's not safe enough to use the seed phrase in writing a song on a platform like this, someone could easily spy up the keys and further with some actions to aim on attacking the user, there are more secured ways to permanent keep our keys without any compromised, such is in using an encrypted device whereby you can write them and lock the access, or get yourself a hardware wallets if having problem with keeping the keys in a safe way.

But, who says that you will post it here? If you are concerned about the OP, don't worry because I think the seeds that he wrote in the first page is not his personal but it was only an example. Seed phrases shouldn't be posted in public because it was like a password to open up our wallet.

The two ways that you suggested there to secure our keys are great however I only follow one of it at the moment and that is by using an encrypted device. I am using my laptop, usb flash drive and mobile phone. I don't have a hardware wallet for now but I am planning of owning one soon. Apart from these, the op's idea is also cool. I think I will also try it.

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Since you are turning your seed phrase into lyrics of a song, don't forget that the moment you miss any letter word of the seed phrase(the way it's arranged) you have lost access to your wallet automatically.

Human beings are bound to miss a lyrics of a song when it is not played for long their hearing. The way they do remember it is when is being played to them once in a while. To avoid such mistakes, write the seed phrase on a piece of paper, in case any time you forget a word from the composed lyrics of your seed phrase, you go back to where it is written for a refreshed memory

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Nothing is perfect and it all depends on how much we can secure it, and to memorize 12-24 recovery seed words as a song actually only works in the short term and for the long term, are we still memorizing it.

Personally, I think the safest way is to store that seed offline, and never store it in any way digitally unless that digital device is never allowed to connect to the internet.
and lots of people have found creative ways to do this, writing it on paper is fine but prone to damage, so think more physical methods like etching a rock or metal.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 17, 2022, 03:24:22 PM

It can be fine, but it's not the best thing you can do. Even if it's an air-gapped device, hard disks are known for having a few years long lifetime.

I was mainly referring to plainly written down, so I probably should've worded that better. I personally believe in physical, non digital storage. Then securing that physically is really your main concern.

As you mention, failing hard drives are one thing that's pretty unpredictable. However, also corruption, and not outright failure can obviously lead to problems too. Ideally, you'd have multiple non digital back ups, that aren't stored in the same place. However, not many people have the resources to do that, at least securely.

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Quote from: BTCapsule on November 16, 2022, 04:45:03 PM

Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier.

You should try whatever fits your character and mood. Satoshi gave us bitcoin, what we do with it and how well we can protect it is up to us.

Quote from: BTCapsule on November 16, 2022, 04:45:03 PM

I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.

In short, it's a song about regret and depression, like most of his songs. It's either melancholy or sadness in there, or both.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 17, 2022, 02:49:20 PM

I do not remember saying that I know more than the experts who study encryption algorithms for years. I do not think I made it sound like that.

I didn't say you did. I just answered on your question, which was if it'd be good idea to come up with your own encryption scheme.

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 17, 2022, 02:49:20 PM

And if you noticed I also said that writing it down, either as an encryption, in a song or plain text is not a good idea. But you must have missed that part of my post.

I didn't miss it. I'm not talking about you anyway-- broadly, about people who would might have the same question about encryption scheme.

Quote from: Welsh on November 17, 2022, 02:52:58 PM

Plain text can be fine.

It can be fine, but it's not the best thing you can do. Even if it's an air-gapped device, hard disks are known for having a few years long lifetime.

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Quote from: Odusko on November 17, 2022, 03:06:07 PM

also misspellings of the seed phrase as time goes on, but why do I need to write them down in a song when I can simply have them written down in a save place either none paper or other means of securing them.

Any mistakes in spelling should be easy to rectify. You could easily just Google the correct spelling, unless you've made an absolute mess of things, but most people are competent enough not to do that. I guess the only exception would be a non English speaker, that's using the English word seeds.

For your later point, it's usually okay to do so for most people. Obviously, people have different threat models, and comfort levels. So, it's going to differ from person to person, and there's no real correct answer. I prefer the approach of not over complicating things so much that it introduces problems, rather than solves them.

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Song lyrics can serve as a good means to store some words for a long time and are easy to remember those phrases, but again we should take time to understand and evaluate the risk involved in having the written as song lyrics since humans can make the mistake of forgetting things or also misspellings of the seed phrase as time goes on, but why do I need to write them down in a song when I can simply have them written down in a save place either none paper or other means of securing them.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 17, 2022, 02:49:20 PM

I also said that writing it down, either as an encryption, in a song or plain text is not a good idea. But you must have missed that part of my post.

Plain text can be fine. Depends how you store it, basically you need a back up that isn't just convenient, but also has a high degree of physical security. Therefore, the most important part about a physical backup, is how you store it, and what sort of security you implement. You can make it digitally as strong as you want, but if you don't approach the physical side of things with the same scrutiny, that digital protection could all be for nothing.

Luckily, generally most of us can devise a pretty good standard of protection physically without doing anything too fancy.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 17, 2022, 02:41:57 PM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 17, 2022, 02:15:35 PM

Why not just think of your own simple encryption algorithm and write it down like that?

Because it's unlikely you know more than the experts who're studying about encryption algorithms for years.

I do not remember saying that I know more than the experts who study encryption algorithms for years. I do not think I made it sound like that.

What I am saying is that, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a seed phrase song just a kind of algorithm in itself? That's basically what I meant, because it seems like to me that a song would just be easier to crack if someone knew what to look for? Again, I am not calling myself an algorithm expert. Far from it.

And if you noticed I also said that writing it down, either as an encryption, in a song or plain text is not a good idea. But you must have missed that part of my post.

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Quote from: Jatiluhung on November 17, 2022, 01:01:17 PM

I write on special paper using a white crayon. so the text is not visible. and will only be visible when washed with other color paint.

I've not researched this, but generally Crayon isn't known to last very long. Are you sure that this would last potentially decades? Nothing has been tried, and tested more than normal ink. Crayon on the other hand, probably wouldn't last as long, especially if it was subjected to frequent handling. Ideally, you wouldn't be handling it very often, but I don't know your setup so it could potentially be handled or stored with other important documents which could effect it.

I'm sure you've considered it, but thought it might be worth mentioning. I personally wouldn't want to use crayon. I'm sure if it's just white crayon it would be able to be seen via shining a light on it or holding it up to light, right?

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 17, 2022, 02:15:35 PM

Why not just think of your own simple encryption algorithm and write it down like that?

Because it's unlikely you know more than the experts who're studying about encryption algorithms for years.

Quote from: Jatiluhung on November 17, 2022, 01:01:17 PM

Remembering 12 personal wallet phrase codes I don't think is as difficult as you think.

Let's do an experiment then. Generate a seed phrase, try memorizing it, don't touch it for a year, and come back in this thread to tell me that you do remember it. Maybe it isn't as easy as it seems.

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