Topic: Write a song with your seed phrase - page 3. (Read 560 times)
What if i like nursery poems haha 🤣. Bro what are are really doing thats one of the most stupid thing i have ever sceen as you did mentioned that your are not encouraging but still what are you doing haha what you actually want to prove if these are your writing skill then you are admired.
Though it should never be the one of the main ways of storing a seed phrase, I wouldn’t discard it’s use under certain circumstances. Say for example one needs to flee from his country, wishes to keep his seed handy, but has a chance that anything physical he carries (cyphered or not) can be confiscated or stolen along the way. One could try to memorize it, and a poem or a song seem like the easiest ways to convey the seed to memory, though it has to be well committed and tested, and it’s certainly not exempt from risks.
Often though, people may have more than one seed, and the song scenario is likely not going to be feasibly scalable to accommodate more than one seed. Additionally, one has to make sure not only to include the words from the mnemonic in order, but also to asses that he doesn’t include additional words from BIP 39’s wordlist alongside those from the seed in the said song.
Often though, people may have more than one seed, and the song scenario is likely not going to be feasibly scalable to accommodate more than one seed. Additionally, one has to make sure not only to include the words from the mnemonic in order, but also to asses that he doesn’t include additional words from BIP 39’s wordlist alongside those from the seed in the said song.
If i can consider the security of assets with bitcoin i don't think it's advisable to openly publish my seed phrase on the open forum like this, to me it's not safe enough to use the seed phrase in writing a song on a platform like this, someone could easily spy up the keys and further with some actions to aim on attacking the user, there are more secured ways to permanent keep our keys without any compromised, such is in using an encrypted device whereby you can write them and lock the access, or get yourself a hardware wallets if having problem with keeping the keys in a safe way.
As long as the song is really nice and easy to sing, it will make you easier to remember your seed phrase. The thing is your seed phrase is randomly generated, you would get a word that you didn't really understand the meaning or really hard to include it for your song, this make it's not good to write a song with your seed phrase. Don't really depends with your song, you need to back up your seed phrase using steel plate or other solid material.
You can write a song with your seed phrase, but know that the memory can fail someone at anytime, what you think you know might be forgetting, or the brain not able to accurately process the correct words completely. What you can rely on is to just backup the seed phrase offline on paper or metallic sheet. Backup on paper is the easiest while you can have the backup in two or three different locations, but there are metallic sheet you can purchase which are designed for seed phrase backup as well. Have the backup in at least two or three different locations. You can make the song the fourth backup, but never rely on it.
I also support your opinion that relying only on memory to save seed-phrases is very risky. But what if you combine your proposal for a backup on paper or metal with OP's proposal? That is, in the backup, write not just the words from the seed-phrase, but write it as the text of the song. If you forget or mix up the lyrics of your seed-song, then the correct version will be in the backup. And also, it will create an insignificant, but still protection from prying eyes. Well, who would be interested in a simple song embossed on a piece of metal? 
Nicely done. But, not everyone is as talented as you to be able to write a song with some random words.
I would love to do something like this with my seed phrase tho.
However, hope you know that writing a song with your seed phrase doesn't guarantee that you will remember it. You might still forget a word or two, so my best bet is to write it down on paper, that way you never get to forget except you misplace the paper.
I would love to do something like this with my seed phrase tho.
However, hope you know that writing a song with your seed phrase doesn't guarantee that you will remember it. You might still forget a word or two, so my best bet is to write it down on paper, that way you never get to forget except you misplace the paper.
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
Making music out of things that are difficult to keep to memory is a really good way not to forget things. I remember that when we were in the high school then and were trying to learn about the first twenty elements in chemistry and also the periodic table, Our teacher made us sing a song that she formed using the name and symbol of these elements. It was the surest way for us not to ever forget, because I actually never did till date, whenever I remember the melody, I remember the elements in the right order. If songs were able to help us learn the very long periodic table, turning your seed phrase into a melody can be another good way to always remember them. You can even go the extra to record or write this song so even if you face experience memory loss, you will not be left completely blank. 
"I wish I was like you
Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything’s my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua sea foam shame
Sunburn freezer burn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything’s my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua sea foam shame
Sunburn freezer burn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
I wouldn't advise people to memorize things like that, especially secret keys that can be used to access valuable private data or assets. People could give them away sub-consciously or in the dream. I have no problem with memorizing public info, or private info that is not too valuable
Compiling a song from the words of a seed phrase is not so easy, there must be a rhyme in the verses, and for this you will most likely have to use additional words and you will need to somehow know the words from the seed phrase and where are the other additional words. Because remembering everything will not work, our memory is not so perfect to remember everything. I doubt this method, because it still requires the use of memory, and it can let us down at the most crucial moment.
"I wish I was like you
Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything’s my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua sea foam shame
Sunburn freezer burn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
I will be confused when memories the lyrics song at the same time and have to remember the melody too. And because the BIP39 seed word is unavailable in my local language, I shouldn't follow your suggestion. It's hard to memorize the lyric song where you unusually use that language. Are you creating another backup?, if not, you have to prepare to lose the money. Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything’s my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua sea foam shame
Sunburn freezer burn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
OP, in addition to your idea, get a parrot and teach it your song. Parrots are long-lived; if you are accidentally hit in the head, and you forget your song, then the bird will restore your memory.
But seriously, good methods of saving passphrases have already been mentioned thousands of times. It is always said that the best is the enemy of the good. If keeping a record of the seed phrase on paper works, but for the paranoid on steel, why complicate it even more?
But seriously, good methods of saving passphrases have already been mentioned thousands of times. It is always said that the best is the enemy of the good. If keeping a record of the seed phrase on paper works, but for the paranoid on steel, why complicate it even more?
a song, simple but who doesn't like it. one way to remember it by liking. but behind it I think there is a risk that it could leak at any time about phrases or sensitive things about security even though it is difficult to memorize at least there are other ways, for example writing or sculpting. If the lyrics of the song are not the same (mixed with 12 word phrases) it will be awkward in the ears of some people and trigger suspicious questions. easier to remember but risky and in my opinion phrases can be made in the form of paintings etc
"I wish I was like you
Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything’s my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua sea foam shame
Sunburn freezer burn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
It is not a bad idea as this is a very old trick used to remember all kind of information that people have known for a very long time, but it should not replace traditional backups and at best it should be used as a last resort.Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything’s my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua sea foam shame
Sunburn freezer burn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
This way if for some reason you lost access to your wallets and your backups you will still have some chances to recover your coins by having your seed words in your memory, however it is an unreliable method, and most likely just when you need it the most you will not remember all your seed words.
Bad idea. Human memory is limited and it is very hard to remember what words in your song are parts of your wallet seed.
Maybe you will have your encrypting method to note that what words are for your seed. Only you can recognize them but I am doubtful if you put a dot on seed word or anything similar, others can see it too and make their guess.
I don't support this idea because at the end, if you store your backup safely and very secretly, you don't actually need this misleading method that might cause trouble to yourself too.
Maybe you will have your encrypting method to note that what words are for your seed. Only you can recognize them but I am doubtful if you put a dot on seed word or anything similar, others can see it too and make their guess.
I don't support this idea because at the end, if you store your backup safely and very secretly, you don't actually need this misleading method that might cause trouble to yourself too.
Yeah we humans love to sing no doubt about that , but not all of us has that memorization ability in which some of us even their favorite songs cannot fill their mind so they forget it .
But I love your Idea and like me that also loves to right , I think now I have Idea how to keep safe my Seed , but will try this deeper for sure because we are talking about our holding here that may lose in the air if we fail to remember the seed without writing it down.
But I love your Idea and like me that also loves to right , I think now I have Idea how to keep safe my Seed , but will try this deeper for sure because we are talking about our holding here that may lose in the air if we fail to remember the seed without writing it down.
~snip~
My personal trick to keeping it in mind is to practice at least once or twice a month.
However, i can agree that memorizing one's seed is a solution which can be very situational, it would be useful to pass savings through borders or keep one's money save in a place which is very anti-Bitcoin or cryptography, like China for example.
In the end, for most of situations keeping it safe somewhere engraved on metal should be enough.
As for me, I totally forgot about it. I can't even remember a single word from my seed phrase. But I think this is totally understandable knowing that you don't make use of it every now and then. The last time I made use of it was years ago; that was years before the pandemic. That's a recovery phrase and recovery doesn't happen all the time.
I think it helps crossing very unfriendly boarders not to raise suspicion about listed words or words engraved on a piece of metal. So writing sentences or poems or, yeah, songs that contain those words might help.
there is actually ton of idea about how we save the seed phrase including this one 
I also heard about implant in teeth. the best way is mage 2-3 and spread it ex. 1 in hardware wallet 1. paper and secure it etc. i think this is the best solution
I also heard about implant in teeth. the best way is mage 2-3 and spread it ex. 1 in hardware wallet 1. paper and secure it etc. i think this is the best solution 
Well, to each his own, but I don't think I'd go as far as this in order to memorize my seed phrase. As a matter of fact, even if I successfully memorized it because of this strategy, it will just be a matter of time before I forget it. After all, I probably won't be singing it every single day. And, if worst comes to worst, and you'll experience memory loss, there's nothing to remember anymore. So the best way would still be writing it down in multiple copies and keep it in different hidden places.
My personal trick to keeping it in mind is to practice at least once or twice a month.
However, i can agree that memorizing one's seed is a solution which can be very situational, it would be useful to pass savings through borders or keep one's money save in a place which is very anti-Bitcoin or cryptography, like China for example.
In the end, for most of situations keeping it safe somewhere engraved on metal should be enough.
I don't think it's a good idea to make it into a song. It's better to just memorize the words and save it. My memory is not enough for me to make it into a song and memorize it in my head.
Reminds me of an episode of Chuck.
Spoilers:
The firing code of a weaponized satellite was placed at the end of an atari game. It was impossible to get to the end of this game. The person who coded this game and added the password, can get to end of game with rhythm of the music. So only he could pass the game and reach the password.
So, you can cypher your seed phrase with lyrics, but how much can be efficient? You can store it safely but when u need to use it, can it be save you from hacker or etc. ? If you are successful in this, congratulations you can keep your investments safe
Spoilers:
The firing code of a weaponized satellite was placed at the end of an atari game. It was impossible to get to the end of this game. The person who coded this game and added the password, can get to end of game with rhythm of the music. So only he could pass the game and reach the password.
So, you can cypher your seed phrase with lyrics, but how much can be efficient? You can store it safely but when u need to use it, can it be save you from hacker or etc. ? If you are successful in this, congratulations you can keep your investments safe
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