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Topic: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? - page 8. (Read 74366 times)

jackjack

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Quote from: Rassah on April 30, 2013, 05:23:06 PM

Just had a thought: wouldn't embedding a bit of code that comes from well known viruses be an even bigger annoyance in the blockchain than links to CP? Not because they can execute in memory, but because AntiVirus scanners will stumble on them and mark your whole blockchain file as infected Tongue

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That would be hilarious!

bbulker

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Quote from: amincd on April 30, 2013, 05:17:39 PM

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I think you have a misunderstanding about how computers, and the bitcoin protocal, actually work. Text files are stored in binary also,

Did I ever suggest otherwise? One more time:

There's a difference between opening a text file and having a standard text editor convert it to human language, and using 'strings -20 blk00053.dat | less' in terminal to filter out a secret encoded message inserted in a non-text file.

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Hex viewers are just as common as text viewers.

It requires more steps than just opening blockchain data with a hex viewer to generate an image from transaction data. Your comparison to opening a text file with a standard text editor is poor one.

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These aren't some "secret encoded message", they're in plain text. You can open the file right up and see "Hi from 50BTC.com" in plain text.

They're not in plain text. If they are, show me where using http://blockexplorer.com.

We're not talking about images here, we're talking about links to CP, which do exist in the blockchain currently. It doesn't require any more steps that opening an ordinary text file to see that these links exist. If you're running the standard bitcoin client you have these links on your computer.

Blockexplorer does not show you the raw database files, they only display the block information in JSON format.

Rassah

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Just had a thought: wouldn't embedding a bit of code that comes from well known viruses be an even bigger annoyance in the blockchain than links to CP? Not because they can execute in memory, but because AntiVirus scanners will stumble on them and mark your whole blockchain file as infected Tongue

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Quote from: bbulker

I think you have a misunderstanding about how computers, and the bitcoin protocal, actually work. Text files are stored in binary also,

Did I ever suggest otherwise? One more time:

There's a difference between opening a text file and having a standard text editor convert it to human language, and using 'strings -20 blk00053.dat | less' in terminal to filter out a secret encoded message inserted in a non-text file.

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Hex viewers are just as common as text viewers.

It requires more steps than just opening blockchain data with a hex viewer to generate an image from transaction data. Your comparison to opening a text file with a standard text editor is poor one.

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These aren't some "secret encoded message", they're in plain text. You can open the file right up and see "Hi from 50BTC.com" in plain text.

They're not in plain text. If they are, show me where using http://blockexplorer.com.

jackjack

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Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 05:06:19 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 05:03:24 PM

Oh. Wow.
Sorry to have to tell you that, but yeah, actually puting a 00000000 in 011110 to make it 01100000000110 will change the order of 0/1's
And you're asking if I am playing dumb?

Sorry, I was certain that I read "\x00 in the front" before quoting it. You'd still only be putting black space into the picture and the rest of the data would still be in order, just fragmented.

So \x01 would work? \x01\x02? \x21\xf4\xe4\xa9? \x21\xf4\xe4\xa9\x84\x45\xc5?
If not, you're basically saying that the 70Gpx (200GB) picture of Budapest is illegal because I can extract a 10kB CP picture from it. Which would be 'just fragmented'

uhoh

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Sounds like a bit of a non-story. The danger will be if any news outlets pick this up.

Headline now: Bitcoin = Drugs
Headline tomorrow: Bitcoin = Drugs and Child porn.

NOT good.

bbulker

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Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 05:03:24 PM

Oh. Wow.
Sorry to have to tell you that, but yeah, actually puting a 00000000 in 011110 to make it 01100000000110 will change the order of 0/1's
And you're asking if I am playing dumb?

Sorry, I was certain that I read "\x00 in the front" before quoting it. You'd still only be putting black space into the picture and the rest of the data would still be in order, just fragmented. (12 34 instead of 1234)

jackjack

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Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:25:56 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:55:26 PM

Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:25:56 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:21:58 PM

Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:13:27 PM

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8483a5f36283bc827432

This is cherry-picking data from the file, what's your point?

My point is pretty clear, you run a script that uses data and you get an illegal thing: what is illegal?
Script? Data? Nothing? Obi-Wan Kenobi?

The thing that is illegal is a group of 1's and 0's in a very specific order.

So puting a \x00 in the middle of a CP pic would make it legal again?

Would change the specific order of the 1's and 0's? No. Did you really need to ask that question or are you just playing dumb?

Oh. Wow.
Sorry to have to tell you that, but yeah, actually puting a 00000000 in 011110 to make it 01100000000110 will change the order of 0/1's
And you're asking if I am playing dumb?

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Quote from: paulie_w on April 30, 2013, 04:43:39 PM

good job building up the bitcoin + kiddie porn seo with this thread, guys.

And likewise, you've done some great work by bumping the thread. Tongue

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Quote from: amincd on April 30, 2013, 04:49:29 PM

Quote from: bbulker

Nothing stored on computers are in human language without any of this.

There's a difference between opening a text file and having a standard text editor convert it to human language, and using 'strings -20 blk00053.dat | less' in terminal to filter out a secret encoded message inserted in a non-text file.

Bitcoin only shows the blockchain data as a series of transactions in the client. You would need specially made software, designed specifically to convert transaction data to other types of information, to see any thing else. To generate CP from transaction data, you would also need information on which transaction or transactions to apply this special software to.

I think you have a misunderstanding about how computers, and the bitcoin protocal, actually work. Text files are stored in binary also, your HDD doesn't stamp the alphabet on the platter like a typewriter. Hex viewers are just as common as text viewers. These aren't some "secret encoded message", they're in plain text. You can open the file right up and see "Hi from 50BTC.com" in plain text.

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:55:26 PM

Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:25:56 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:21:58 PM

Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:13:27 PM

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8483a5f36283bc827432

This is cherry-picking data from the file, what's your point?

My point is pretty clear, you run a script that uses data and you get an illegal thing: what is illegal?
Script? Data? Nothing? Obi-Wan Kenobi?

The thing that is illegal is a group of 1's and 0's in a very specific order.

So puting a \x00 in the middle of a CP pic would make it legal again?

Would change the specific order of the 1's and 0's? No. Want to stop playing dumb?

gogxmagog

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this whole issue reminds me of when people deface paper money. I've seen some fairly NSFW stuff written on bills before, most people ignore it and simply "pass the buck" It's just vandalism after all. Some butthurt is jealous they weren't very early to adoption so now they want to smash out the windows. ignore and will go away.

jackjack

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Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:25:56 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:21:58 PM

Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:13:27 PM

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8483a5f36283bc827432

This is cherry-picking data from the file, what's your point?

My point is pretty clear, you run a script that uses data and you get an illegal thing: what is illegal?
Script? Data? Nothing? Obi-Wan Kenobi?

The thing that is illegal is a group of 1's and 0's in a very specific order.

So puting a \x00 in the middle of a CP pic would make it legal again?

amincd

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Quote from: bbulker

Nothing stored on computers are in human language without any of this.

There's a difference between opening a text file and having a standard text editor convert it to human language, and using 'strings -20 blk00053.dat | less' in terminal to filter out a secret encoded message inserted in a non-text file.

Bitcoin only shows the blockchain data as a series of transactions in the client. You would need specially made software, or a terminal command, to convert transaction data to other types of information, to see any thing else. To generate CP from transaction data, you would also need information on which transaction or transactions to apply this special software or command to.

This should have absolutely nothing to do with bitcoin users, and if any one were to be held responsible for disseminating CP, it's those linking to a transaction and giving instructions on how it can be converted to CP IMO.

paulie_w

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good job building up the bitcoin + kiddie porn seo with this thread, guys.

TheKoziTwo

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There is CP as images, but there is also CP as text. Just pick any sex story on the web and replace the age with something less than 18 and there you go, child porn in text form. It's illegal where I live, I know other countries where it's illegal, and there is really no reason why more countries wouldn't make it illegal.

So with this new trend among lawmakers of strict liability laws and the illegality of possessing "text", this may turn out to be a highly toxic combination endangering anyone who happens to store the blockchain on their computer. Imagine if the government decided it's time to "crack down" on bitcoin. This would be the pefect excuse to do so, what doesn't the public hate more than terrorist and pedophiles? It's a god sent. With a blockchain filled with cp I wouldn't be too surprised to see bitcoiners busted and newspaper headlines such as "pedophile ring shutdown" appearing left and right. The IP addresses of all the bitcoin nodes are so easily available that cracking down would be like christmas eve for law enforcement.

It does sound silly, but the government never cease to amase me. Time to boot up Tor and load your encrypted HDDs folks, soon we'll all be pedophiles.

bbulker

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Quote from: amincd on April 30, 2013, 04:28:12 PM

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Filtering the printable strings is only for convenience,

Filtering has to be done, either manually, or with a command, to make it readable. Otherwise, it's not human language.

Nothing stored on computers are in human language without any of this. What are you even saying anymore?

amincd

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Quote from: bbulker

Filtering the printable strings is only for convenience,

Filtering has to be done, either manually, or with a command, to make it readable. Otherwise, it's not human language.

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All files are stored in binary. If you save a link to an illegal website on your PC it's not illegal since it has to be "converted" from binary?

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Does that include e.g. a base64 encoding of an illegal image/video?

It's not simply base64 encoding. They need to splice a very particular certain segment of the transaction data out, chain it together in a particular order, and decode it using base64. This requires a very specific program that is not included with any standard bitcoin client, and specific information on which transaction data to apply this program to. Any one transmitting the specific information required to generate CP from inoffensive transaction data is the one disseminating CP, not people transferring transaction data.

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Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:21:58 PM

Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:13:27 PM

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8483a5f36283bc827432

This is cherry-picking data from the file, what's your point?

My point is pretty clear, you run a script that uses data and you get an illegal thing: what is illegal?
Script? Data? Nothing? Obi-Wan Kenobi?

The thing that is illegal is a group of 1's and 0's in a very specific order. Therefore, the resulting data inside "It-s_a_kind_of_magic.html" would be.

The groups of 1's and 0's are already in specific order inside of the blockchain database files, no cherry-picking or sorting necessary.

jackjack

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Quote from: bbulker on April 30, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

Quote from: jackjack on April 30, 2013, 04:13:27 PM

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8483a5f36283bc827432

This is cherry-picking data from the file, what's your point?

My point is pretty clear, you run a script that uses data and you get an illegal thing: what is illegal?
Script? Data? Nothing? Obi-Wan Kenobi?

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Quote from: amincd on April 30, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Also, any thing that can be put in plain text cannot be illegal in most jurisdictions.

Does that include e.g. a base64 encoding of an illegal image/video?

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