Topic: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? - page 5. (Read 74367 times)

simple question... if it was just some url links to porn, couldn't the sites hosting those pictures just be shut down? To me that seems to be the most logical action to take.


Another question, what if one day child molesters used block chain to store links to child porn and it became a very common thing. How serious would that be for bitcoin coming under attack from government ?  I know CNN just did an article basically explaining that unless it's your intent to look at illegal porn you personally can't get in trouble for it being stored on your computer (blockchain for example) , but what if the blockchain suddenly became full of links to illegal porn. I can't imagine that would be good for bitcoin.

The first part is very important because it explains the core issue with the child pornography that most people simply don't understand. And whats that? The fact that child porn has nothing to with child porn anymore. The definition is now so wide that it includes simpsons cartoons in sexualized positions. That's why I'm asking you if I start defining speeding as murder does it become true? No it doesn't. Now that child porn can equal everything from real abusive images to sexy cartoons, or even stories (pure text) of persons who are older than 18 (don't believe me? Just checkout this interview about a guy who was about to end up in prison for 20 years, but got saved moments before the sentence when the "child" turns up in court, proving her age. If this happened in my country he would still be sent to jail), we suddenly have a completely new type of crime. I recommend reading this by Rick Falkvinge.

I could go in great depth about this, but I will leave it there as you clearly have never thought of this issue and will need some time to study it.

The point I'm trying to make is:
1. Definitions are widened to include perfectly legimitate activities where there are no victims (tell me who exactly is the victim in a cartoon, or in a fantasy story?)
2. Real abusive images and fantasy books are mixed together into one group. Honestly, how can you compare a funny cartoon to raping a baby?
3. Now, thanks to these new definition of child porn we have a lot more child pornographers, hence we have a lot more pedophiles, hence the problem appears to be much greater than it really is. And people still believe that child porn is all about raping babies when it's absolutely not, the vast majority of child porn is now completely victimless.

Just like if they where to edit the definition of "speeding" to "murder", we would have a LOT of killers. Then the government can use that as an argument to steal your privacy, your freedom and your money. And I'm sick of that bullshit.

How does the first part of your post have anything at all to do with mine? Child pornography is the exploitation of children which will emotionally scar them forever even if they never tell anyone. Anyone participating in this is just as bad as the ones committing the crimes in the first place. Creating and allowing a market for it to be bought and sold to exist is directly causing more children to be exploited. Anyone in denial of this needs to re-examine the reality of the situation. This is why a zero tolerance policy and an aggressive campaign against them is 100% necessary. Comparing this to the "terrorist" label is disingenuous at best and makes me question what your stance on the matter really is.

Now onto the second part which is somewhat relevant. I would only want those exposed those who can be definitively proven. Even if its a tip to law enforcement to look into someones activities charges can only be pressed if evidence is found. The person may be innocent in which case their name is cleared but if they are not then many children's innocence might be spared. These images come from somewhere and finding the source is important to identify the victims and prosecute the criminals. If anonymous poisons a tor exit node to catch child predators how does that have anything at all to do with rights? There is no right to view illegal content on the internet and suggesting there is destroys any validity to the point you were trying to make. Of course there needs to be discretion when outing someone doing this type of activity but to suggest we shouldn't go after these criminals is absurd.

Please explain to me. How is anger against this type of activity unjustified?

Witches≠Child Pornographers

If we create a law which defines "speeding" as "murder". Does that result in more killings? No, it doesn't. You just altered the perceived reality by changing the meaning of words, but reality stays the same even though the media now can report massive amounts of murderers on the loose.

Do you remember the guy who created liberty dollar, now why is it that he was labeled a terrorist? Is he a terrorist? or is this a form of altering the meaning of words to fit some twisted political belief?

Let me just say this. If you actually want to do something good in this world you may want to ask yourself why there is such a mass hysteria, and why we now have a majority willing to give up all their rights to fight this apparently ever increasing crime. It's important to think this through before you act. Can you think of other mass hysterias throughout history and their consequences?

Witch hunt of this kind has, and will, continue to destroy the life of innocent men, women and children. If you let yourself be fooled by the elite and fall for the lies of the majority, you will unconsciously be part of the mob that stones "terrorists" such as the creator of bitcoin to death (and this is exactly why he will always be in hiding). And while doing it, you will feel pride, you will feel that you did the right thing, that you fought the good fight, just as the people who burned witches fought evil, you will join them in their fight for a "better world".

I may be wrong, you might have thought this through, but I sense lack of knowledge and unjustified anger.

It's my deep hole miner; it hashs like a mofo.

Right, modeled after Inabas mighty miner!

All the "uncomfortable" and "something must be done" people are extremely overreacting.

What ya got there?  A BFL mining rig prototype?

WARNING: SOMEONE HAS BEEN STORING DILDOS IN THE BLOCKCHAIN!!!

LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD BE THERE PERMANENTLY!

I'm more worried about Luke-Jr's prayers in blockchain than childporn.

Compared all the goodness imaginable stored on my full disk encrypted harddrives the obscured links to hard candy or pedo archive are silly.

If I operated a part of a crypto-currency infrastructure and someone could demonstrate conclusively that a targeted amount of data from my logs would help expose a person (or group) who was clearly engauged in activities which I strongly disagreed with (CP being a good example) I would very likely cooperate.

It would not surprise me of real criminals actually found it more difficult to operate reliably within a p2p infrastructure than to operate in today's corp/gov controlled one.

We need to have a zero tolerance policy for this kind of crap as a community. Anonymous has exposed child pornographers on TOR before and I think its something that should be done more often. I'm not sure on the legalities of it but I think it would be a good idea to offer rewards via Bitcoin for every child pornographer exposed and arrested. I for one would be glad to donate to such a fund. Let's use Bitcoin to fight child pornography and help purge the earth of this scum.

probably is a fed.


oh hai you were caught for child porn so do us a favor plz and we'll reduce your sentence

My guess would be he put it there himself.  Maybe the feds should be investigating him and see what they can find on his computer.  I bet it wouldn't be pretty.

all they need is proof of concept and the media will lap it up. there's a concerted effort to destroy bitcoin by any means necessary going on here. the terror angle will be next now that they've done drugs and child porn. in a lot of ways it looks like the death throes not of bitcoin but the attackers.

the attackers are clever people though but nothing will ever be as clever as the free market and they are the opposite of that.

Complete non-issue FUD.

Unless someone points out how and where to extract this data, which would be a pain in the ass to do anyways, it is not relevant.

This means that someone pointing it out is the problem, not the data itself.

With (im)proper directions, any large set of data can form an illegal picture. This does not mean that an infinite amount of monkeys typing on an infinite amount of typewriters would eventually be child pornograhphers, but simply that with the right (wrong!) directions, a large enougn data sample will be able to contain ANYTHING.

Yes, there will be a no-fly zone over the conference in May. 'just in case' in good'ol american tradition. 

have the boston bombers been found to be big into bitcoin yet?

it's getting ridiculous at this stage. I'm fairly new. I bought at about $60 and since then we've had the bubble, the bust then just about every bitcoin site ddosed and now we're getting the guilt by association tactic. It'll be bitcoin funds terrorism next.

Because it was planted by him or someone he knows, and it's a deliberate attempt of making Bitcoin look bad. It's a complete non-issue however.

Devil's advocate:  being a 'peer' in the 'p2p' network is analogous to putting up an antenna.

Internet carriers seems rational and potentially covered by the law.  Careful what you wish for, though, because it could be formed into an argument to force carriers to actively monitor and filter traffic.

Couldn't then mean there could be a strong (not proof) suspicions both the twtrt link and the source of CP be from the same person?

I am not trying to play fake boston detective on reddit but the light should focus back on that twtr dude and less on bitcoin, that is if this community is immune from social group manipulation.

I believe it is to a way to destroy bitcoin. The challenge is huge people. Don't forget the target date: 2140.