[WTS] Terminator A2MEGA Scrypt Miner (110 Mh/s) [SOLD] [BEWARE] - page 2.

vilain

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Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 04, 2016, 01:52:17 AM

Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 11:59:30 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:32:40 PM

Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 08:16:26 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:13:39 PM

I believe we've worked out a deal, guessing it will take a week or so for DHL to get it back to the US freight forwarder and then to me. At that point I will test it myself for a day or so to confirm it's in good working order, will pay vilain directly out of my own pocket, and then will be selling it myself.

You'll be dealing with me directly at that point, I will not be functioning as an escrow but as the direct seller. Hopefully that makes folks a bit more comfortable, it definitely makes the deal simpler.

PM me if you're interested in buying from me directly, taking offers. I will not be taking payment from anyone until I've received and tested the miner.

Are u looking for the same price at 650$?

I believe that's a good place to start, unless someone wants to offer me more

Zoomhash is looking for about $850-875 shipped depending on where you're located, just FYI. So don't offer more than that Tongue

I am trying to diversify and never have mined LTC but looking at calculators says it won't ROI for 650+ days

It can be, depends on your power costs. Pretty sure most people buying scrypt gear right now are leasing and mining alts for speculative trading, which should have higher returns than mining straight LTC.

Scrypt gear seems to be carrying a premium right now since it's harder to get, as well.

The ideia when I bought it was to mine alts, not LTC. There are plenty of Scrypt alts that would ROI this machine in 3-4 months tops if you got a decent price for electricity. When I bought it that wold be the case for FTC, it had a good price and pretty reasonable diff by then. I don't know how it is now, but I'm sure there are other Scrypt alts that could make this ROI even sooner.

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Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 11:59:30 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:32:40 PM

Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 08:16:26 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:13:39 PM

I believe we've worked out a deal, guessing it will take a week or so for DHL to get it back to the US freight forwarder and then to me. At that point I will test it myself for a day or so to confirm it's in good working order, will pay vilain directly out of my own pocket, and then will be selling it myself.

You'll be dealing with me directly at that point, I will not be functioning as an escrow but as the direct seller. Hopefully that makes folks a bit more comfortable, it definitely makes the deal simpler.

PM me if you're interested in buying from me directly, taking offers. I will not be taking payment from anyone until I've received and tested the miner.

Are u looking for the same price at 650$?

I believe that's a good place to start, unless someone wants to offer me more

Zoomhash is looking for about $850-875 shipped depending on where you're located, just FYI. So don't offer more than that Tongue

I am trying to diversify and never have mined LTC but looking at calculators says it won't ROI for 650+ days

It can be, depends on your power costs. Pretty sure most people buying scrypt gear right now are leasing and mining alts for speculative trading, which should have higher returns than mining straight LTC.

Scrypt gear seems to be carrying a premium right now since it's harder to get, as well.

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Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:32:40 PM

Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 08:16:26 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:13:39 PM

I believe we've worked out a deal, guessing it will take a week or so for DHL to get it back to the US freight forwarder and then to me. At that point I will test it myself for a day or so to confirm it's in good working order, will pay vilain directly out of my own pocket, and then will be selling it myself.

You'll be dealing with me directly at that point, I will not be functioning as an escrow but as the direct seller. Hopefully that makes folks a bit more comfortable, it definitely makes the deal simpler.

PM me if you're interested in buying from me directly, taking offers. I will not be taking payment from anyone until I've received and tested the miner.

Are u looking for the same price at 650$?

I believe that's a good place to start, unless someone wants to offer me more

Zoomhash is looking for about $850-875 shipped depending on where you're located, just FYI. So don't offer more than that Tongue

I am trying to diversify and never have mined LTC but looking at calculators says it won't ROI for 650+ days

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Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 08:16:26 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:13:39 PM

I believe we've worked out a deal, guessing it will take a week or so for DHL to get it back to the US freight forwarder and then to me. At that point I will test it myself for a day or so to confirm it's in good working order, will pay vilain directly out of my own pocket, and then will be selling it myself.

You'll be dealing with me directly at that point, I will not be functioning as an escrow but as the direct seller. Hopefully that makes folks a bit more comfortable, it definitely makes the deal simpler.

PM me if you're interested in buying from me directly, taking offers. I will not be taking payment from anyone until I've received and tested the miner.

Are u looking for the same price at 650$?

I believe that's a good place to start, unless someone wants to offer me more

Zoomhash is looking for about $850-875 shipped depending on where you're located, just FYI. So don't offer more than that Tongue

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Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 03, 2016, 08:13:39 PM

I believe we've worked out a deal, guessing it will take a week or so for DHL to get it back to the US freight forwarder and then to me. At that point I will test it myself for a day or so to confirm it's in good working order, will pay vilain directly out of my own pocket, and then will be selling it myself.

You'll be dealing with me directly at that point, I will not be functioning as an escrow but as the direct seller. Hopefully that makes folks a bit more comfortable, it definitely makes the deal simpler.

PM me if you're interested in buying from me directly, taking offers. I will not be taking payment from anyone until I've received and tested the miner.

Are u looking for the same price at 650$?

quakefiend420

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I believe we've worked out a deal, guessing it will take a week or so for DHL to get it back to the US freight forwarder and then to me. At that point I will test it myself for a day or so to confirm it's in good working order, will pay vilain directly out of my own pocket, and then will be selling it myself.

You'll be dealing with me directly at that point, I will not be functioning as an escrow but as the direct seller. Hopefully that makes folks a bit more comfortable, it definitely makes the deal simpler.

PM me if you're interested in buying from me directly, taking offers. I will not be taking payment from anyone until I've received and tested the miner.

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Quote from: kizilsakal on February 03, 2016, 06:21:38 PM

This transaction looks kind of messy. Why don't you just sell it cheaper to someone with trust that later resells it?

That's exactly what it looks like we're going to do. I may have this up for sale shortly.

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This transaction looks kind of messy. Why don't you just sell it cheaper to someone with trust that later resells it?

rockyforever

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He just doesn't get it. He wants the money but no responsibility. Good Luck.

Nope.

I hope he doesn't sell on ebay. EVER. If he thinks escrow is awful here try the ebay return policy.

He also doesn't understand he's selling a miner he hasn't even confirmed himself works. He wants someone else to take the responsibility and make them liable for a product he bought and is trying to resell.

Nope makes no sense.....

good luck with the sale!

vilain

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Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 05:46:51 PM

Quote from: vilain on February 03, 2016, 05:24:56 PM

Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 05:14:52 PM

villain,

Listen to the others. Maybe research the use of escrow because I think you're confused (not "think" actually, you're are wrong). Escrow is released once the buyer receives the item. In this particular situation, you're are sending the miner to a third party who is than sending the miner to the buyer. Until the buyer receives the miner the escrow is not released.

This is actually a better opportunity for you since the miner will go the Escrow holder first. He can verify that the miner is in working order and everything before shipping to the buyer. IF the buyer tries to claim he did receive or received a bad miner the escrow can verify it did work. In the end you actually have more protection than a usual transaction using escrow.

So, escrow would release the funds to me even if the buyer was saying it's broken?

No. The escrow holder (quakefiend420) whom you're are intending to send the miner too would receive the miner first from what I understand. He will verify the miner works for both parties since he has experience with the A2. Once he determines the miner works, he will repackage and ship to the buyer. There will be a tracking number so you can see when he receives the miner. Once it is received and verified by the buyer that it works as well, the funds will be released to you.

If the buyer claims the miner is faulty or damaged, the escrow holder can determine if the funds will still be released. In this case since the escrow holder (quakefiend420) will be verifying the miner himself before the buyer receives he will be able to determine if the buyer is lying or there was actual damage during the shipping from his place in TX to the buyers

Exactly, so if "he will be able to determine if the buyer is lying or there was actual damage during the shipping from his place in TX to the buyers" why should I hold responsibility for it? Huh

This discussion is pointless.

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Quote from: vilain on February 03, 2016, 05:24:56 PM

Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 05:14:52 PM

villain,

Listen to the others. Maybe research the use of escrow because I think you're confused (not "think" actually, you're are wrong). Escrow is released once the buyer receives the item. In this particular situation, you're are sending the miner to a third party who is than sending the miner to the buyer. Until the buyer receives the miner the escrow is not released.

This is actually a better opportunity for you since the miner will go the Escrow holder first. He can verify that the miner is in working order and everything before shipping to the buyer. IF the buyer tries to claim he did receive or received a bad miner the escrow can verify it did work. In the end you actually have more protection than a usual transaction using escrow.

So, escrow would release the funds to me even if the buyer was saying it's broken?

No. The escrow holder (quakefiend420) whom you're are intending to send the miner too would receive the miner first from what I understand. He will verify the miner works for both parties since he has experience with the A2. Once he determines the miner works, he will repackage and ship to the buyer. There will be a tracking number so you can see when he receives the miner. Once it is received and verified by the buyer that it works as well, the funds will be released to you.

If the buyer claims the miner is faulty or damaged, the escrow holder can determine if the funds will still be released. In this case since the escrow holder (quakefiend420) will be verifying the miner himself before the buyer receives he will be able to determine if the buyer is lying or there was actual damage during the shipping from his place in TX to the buyers

vilain

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Quote from: rockyforever on February 03, 2016, 05:14:52 PM

villain,

Listen to the others. Maybe research the use of escrow because I think you're confused (not "think" actually, you're are wrong). Escrow is released once the buyer receives the item. In this particular situation, you're are sending the miner to a third party who is than sending the miner to the buyer. Until the buyer receives the miner the escrow is not released.

This is actually a better opportunity for you since the miner will go the Escrow holder first. He can verify that the miner is in working order and everything before shipping to the buyer. IF the buyer tries to claim he did receive or received a bad miner the escrow can verify it did work. In the end you actually have more protection than a usual transaction using escrow.

So, escrow would release the funds to me even if the buyer was saying it's broken?

rockyforever

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villain,

Listen to the others. Maybe research the use of escrow because I think you're confused (not "think" actually, you're are wrong). Escrow is released once the buyer receives the item. In this particular situation, you're are sending the miner to a third party who is than sending the miner to the buyer. Until the buyer receives the miner the escrow is not released.

This is actually a better opportunity for you since the miner will go the Escrow holder first. He can verify that the miner is in working order and everything before shipping to the buyer. IF the buyer tries to claim he did receive or received a bad miner the escrow can verify it did work. In the end you actually have more protection than a usual transaction using escrow.

vilain

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I know it is to protect both parties! That is what I am trying to tell you! Escrow is only responsible for holding the money not all the shipping and insurance and cost that is on you. I dont think you understand how escrow works. Not trying to bash just trying to help you understand. Good luck on your sell.

I understand and appreciate your concern. It's just that this transaction is not a usual one. Escrow will receive money to check the product. I expect this money to cover escrow's responsibilities as well. Otherwise I would still have to trust the buyer, and I'm not trusting a newbie for 500 bucks Wink

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I agree once escrow gets item that money should be sent to escrow. But it is standard practice not to release funds from escrow until the buyer gets the item and is able to verify it. From earlier post it looked like you wanted quake to release the money as soon as he got it. That would leave all responsibility on him as the 3rd party. Why are you even doing it that way? Buyer pays escrow, as soon as quakes verifies funds you send to buyer, buyer gets item and tells quake to release funds. You are making this alot harder than it needs to be. If you use quake he is not going to give the money back to the buyer without just cause. As far as it getting delivered damaged that is the best thing that could happen for you! The buyer would get a refund, and you (being smart took out $1000 insurance on the deliver) get reimbursed for the damaged item. Much easier than you are making it.

Well, I don't know if any insurance is available from Shipito services. Anyway, the insurance should be made by the escrow who relases it. If it's his responsibility, why the hell would I have to relay on the good faith of the buyer???

Those are my conditions and you're not gonna change my mind. I really appreciate ideas and suggestions but this kind of post is completely useless to me. I'm not running any risks here.

Escrow is to protect both parties of a transaction, not just the buyer. It's just not fair.

vilain

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That is kinda stupid? Destroy it instead of selling it? Even if you sold it for $300 and paid $150 shipping and escrow you would still at lease get $150 back from your original purchase. You already said shipping to US will cost you nothing because of return to sender. So you are looking at risking $50 buck to send to Quake to verify. That way even if you didnt pay quake the $50 escrow fee he would have a machine to cover it. Sorry man I just dont understand the reasoning behind what you said there.

If the transaction involves risking more money for an untrusted individual, I don't care about the transaction.

I also do not understand why would someone want me to send it before paying the escrow, and also someone would not agree with clearing the money after the escrow verifies the product (since he would be trusting the escrow for - damn - escrowing, in the first place).

Mysteries of life, I guess.

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Quote from: emosewa on February 02, 2016, 03:59:22 PM

Quote from: vilain on February 02, 2016, 03:45:04 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 02, 2016, 12:51:36 PM

Quote from: vilain on February 02, 2016, 08:57:00 AM

Ok, I guess it turned out to be too expensive. So now I'm ready to pay for all the expenses.

Buyer will pay only 650 $.

I will pay escrow fees and shipping costs.

Buyer must agree to release the funds as soon as the escrow confirms the product quality.

Do you want to go ahead and work on getting it shipped to me so that you're ahead of the game once you confirm a buyer?

Why would I do that?

I'm only shipping after payment is confirmed!

BTW, I was under the impression you had a highly positive trust, but now it shows your trust is 0.

is this a bug? Don't you have any trusted feedback? I can't accept you as escrow if you don't.

tks

Ship it to quake and once he confirms condition (pictures before opening, during unpacking, repacking and mining) and is paid his part, I will send the funds to escrow and once I receive it, I'll release escrow.

That's about the only way I am going to be a player in this deal. Most folks here would run from this.

That does not work for me, sorry.

I'm only sending after escrow confirms payment (I don't see why do you want otherwise, since escrow might just give your money back if anything goes wrong).

And I'm only accepting this deal if buyer agrees that escrow releases the funds to me right after confirming the miner is ok.

As I said before, i don't want any risks. I'd rather just have it destroyed than loosing more money on it.

Thanks for your interest.

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Quote from: Ntrain2k on February 02, 2016, 03:57:44 PM

Quote from: vilain on February 02, 2016, 03:45:04 PM

BTW, I was under the impression you had a highly positive trust, but now it shows your trust is 0.

is this a bug? Don't you have any trusted feedback? I can't accept you as escrow if you don't.

tks

Have you bothered looking at his trust?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=226553

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=226553#

It's showing now. It was probably a bug, thanks for the concern.

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Quote from: vilain on February 02, 2016, 03:45:04 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on February 02, 2016, 12:51:36 PM

Quote from: vilain on February 02, 2016, 08:57:00 AM

Ok, I guess it turned out to be too expensive. So now I'm ready to pay for all the expenses.

Buyer will pay only 650 $.

I will pay escrow fees and shipping costs.

Buyer must agree to release the funds as soon as the escrow confirms the product quality.

Do you want to go ahead and work on getting it shipped to me so that you're ahead of the game once you confirm a buyer?

Why would I do that?

I'm only shipping after payment is confirmed!

BTW, I was under the impression you had a highly positive trust, but now it shows your trust is 0.

is this a bug? Don't you have any trusted feedback? I can't accept you as escrow if you don't.

tks

Ship it to quake and once he confirms condition (pictures before opening, during unpacking, repacking and mining) and is paid his part, I will send the funds to escrow and once I receive it, I'll release escrow.

That's about the only way I am going to be a player in this deal. Most folks here would run from this.

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Quote from: vilain on February 02, 2016, 03:45:04 PM

BTW, I was under the impression you had a highly positive trust, but now it shows your trust is 0.

is this a bug? Don't you have any trusted feedback? I can't accept you as escrow if you don't.

tks

Have you bothered looking at his trust?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=226553

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=226553#

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