Topic: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS - page 143. (Read 804700 times)

Irony.

Starik, are you are die-hard troll or do you really want to help? If you want to help, them write me a PM and we will chat on Skype, where I will remove all your concerns you have right now.

Sometimes I forget the old addage "Dont try to discipline a pig by wrestling him in the mud....... the pig likes it". 

Any progress with BTER?

regarding how to haddle trolls, I have to say that Come-from-Beyond has a very good way to handle it (funny he was here minutes ago). "Thank you for your competent comments!" or some like that is his reply to the trolls.

Litoshi, you are pathetic.
I just leave this quotes without comments.

No one has expressed CONCERN over Crypti FANS being able to create 70 or 101 delegates.  Creating a delegate is no different than expressing a desire to run for political office...... you need votes.  Delegates dont vote.  Only the top voted 101 delegates split the forging fees from that last 101 block cycle.  Having 50 delegates, and only 5 or so in the top 101 is not a good investment. 

Delegates, once formed, are permanent.  There is no refund if they go dark.  You can sell your delegate privately to another user, but you cant change the passphrase.  Would you buy a delegate that had a passphrase known to another user? 

The consensus is that the community, knowing that one user has formed 50 delegates, will not vote for those delegates. There was even an excellent suggestion from Eric that we have a "minus" vote available for each node.  The community could get together and vote a delegate out of the 101 positions. 

Forming a Delegate is not cheap....... we are considering 25000XCR right now.  That would be 2.5 million XCR to form 101 delegates.  I only know of two people that have that much XCR, but after buying those delegates, their supply of XCR that is available for voting in a node would be greatly diminished. 

Also, remember that there is not any forging unless XCR is traded.  Hording great amounts of XCR in a node to have a bigger vote only serves to lessen the amount for trading, which lowers the forging fees further.

I dont have any plans to form more than 1 delegate.  Max, well, he is a NXT fan.  Perhaps he will enlighten us as to his plans.

May be.
But i want to know are devs concerned about this?  
Especially when Crypti fans are talking about creating 70 or even 101 voted delegates by one person...

I understand what you are suggesting Tobo.  BUT....... there needs to be some troll control here.  I dont know if you have been here from the first pages, but we have suffered greatly from Trolls, especially during periods of trouble.  We had trouble with Bter freezing our wallets multiple times, trading was stopped completely several times, Cryptsy has disabled XCR in and out since Sept; Polo has been on and off as well.

We suffered the onslaught of trolls due to those issues, as well as the "Crypti is Dead" & "Crypti is a scam" crowd while we had delays in development of "Proof of Time" (which we abandoned); scaling issues with forging, and the attacks from the "pump and dump; trash and crash" investors that attempted to manipulate the XCR price up and down. 

I let GreXX and Passion be the "good guys".......

Yes, but the way it is currently in testing, the 101 delegates forge 101 blocks in a cycle..... then the forging fees are totaled for that cycle and then they are divided between the delegates equally.  Less than 101 would result in an increased reward to the "less than 101" delegates.  

The idea is to reward faithful delegates equally and make the reward for the top voted delegate the same as the bottom delegates.  Opposite of NXT, where the more NXT you have, the more you forge.  

The team wants to have XCR traded, and used for commerce, not horded.  

The problem of sockpuppet delegates can be solved with antisybil protection. You waste too much time on a non-fatal issue.

@Litoshi - if you want to promote and market XCR as an official foundation member, you probably need to work on your communication skill a little bit. In general, messages online are easy to be misinterpreted. Being more political and polite and always using smilies are always good things to do for a marketer and promoter.Your goal is to make people happy and feel good about everything here and your goal is not to convince people that you are right. If you are not an official member you are free to do anything. My 2 cents.

You scored 98 on my troll meter.  Perhaps with a lesson from shaan.is.one you could get a perfect 100.

My "delusions' are right out of the product development internal discussion. 

Only i see here contradiction?

crypti already said that you understand wrong.
Please do not post here your delusions.

Max wishes he owned that many.  We told him that he can't change the name to MAXCOIN until he owns ALL the XCR.

 

As I understand the latest version, the foundation will have 101 delegates at the start of DPOS, and will then be replaced by non-foundation delegates as they register and come on line.  The foundation delegates are "place holders" to ensure there are always 101 delegates. 

Delegates dont vote........ nodes do. 

After spending 25K XCR for each of 51 delegates, few of us would have enough XCR left in a node to vote the delegates very high. 

You have to assume there will be enough participants for the system to kick in. If there are too few participants in it, only those few participants care about the platform and it will have nothing to do with other people and it dose not matter if it is vulnerable or not.

I say you, it's nearly impossible to get enough votes for all those 51 delegates. You have to convince the whole community to vote for exactly these delegates. Also it will cost you a significant amount to even run so many delegates. Good luck fella.

You see danger where is no danger.

I never bet or take bets, you are very wrong here. 
If someone will make 51 delegates and vote for them the whole Crypti network become compromised and currency worth nothing.  If you do not understand this you deserve your fate 

Yea, I own 100,000,000.000001 XCR. /irony off